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Mid-Long Range Discussion 2026


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6 minutes ago, stormwatcherJ said:

Anyone wanna bet that after this dry, cold spell we'll start to get some moisture moving through...and then it won't be cold enough?! A classic NC frustrating winter. 

Except this year it’ll just warm up and be dry. I don’t think it can turn wet again until La Niña is done, finished, cooked

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7 minutes ago, stormwatcherJ said:

Anyone wanna bet that after this dry, cold spell we'll start to get some moisture moving through...and then it won't be cold enough?! A classic NC frustrating winter. 

Tale as old as time

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47 minutes ago, BooneWX said:

The footprint for Sunday screams overrunning on a few models, which is the only reason I’ll hold out some hope. We wouldn’t be remotely close to a final solution if it’s an overrunning event. 

I thought exact same thing, I think once we get Thursday's system out of here, the models can handle that wave better. Here's the Euro trend over the past 6 runs, definitely digging the wave further West and deeper each run. A little more tilt and further digging, this thing could look pretty nice IMO. 

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1 minute ago, WXNewton said:

I thought exact same thing, I think once we get Thursday's system out of here, the models can handle that wave better. Here's the Euro trend over the past 6 runs, definitely digging the wave further West and deeper each run. A little more tilt and further digging, this thing could look pretty nice IMO. 

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And some of it's timing, further west means slower means more spacing between the waves and more ability to develop and for the trough to tilt negative 

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An overrunning event Sunday would be the most ideal way to have an overrunning event. Most of the time those setups are rather marginal and you’re fighting modest rates, but it’s already going to be cold Sunday. Throw evaporative cooling into the mix and we’re talking about some higher than normal ratios outside the mountains. 

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41 minutes ago, BooneWX said:

An overrunning event Sunday would be the most ideal way to have an overrunning event. Most of the time those setups are rather marginal and you’re fighting modest rates, but it’s already going to be cold Sunday. Throw evaporative cooling into the mix and we’re talking about some higher than normal ratios outside the mountains. 

To be pedantic, it's not really overrunning since there's no warm air advection and no warm air aloft. The northern stream is squashing any warm air from the gulf but also squashing moisture 

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I would definitely believe the Euro if it has something pop up inside 7 days over any other model. I am to the point now where I think it's useless to really look at anything else besides what the Euro shows inside 7 days. Everything else is a mirage when it comes to winter storms here, especially the GFS at day 10. It loves to show big storms then only for them to go poof a day or two later.

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10 minutes ago, Brick Tamland said:

RAP had a little something less than 48 hours out.

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As does the HRRR. As with the Sunday event, jet stream dynamics coming into play, often only gets picked up by short range models. Not saying something will happen on Thursday, but just something to keep an eye on

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The biggest fly in the ointment for all of us is that we accomplished an awesome ridge out west but it’s tilted to the east at the top. That’s what’s screwing us down the line. You can’t get any energy to drop into a better spot than the plains when the ridge is kicking the energy over Hudson Bay before dropping it in.

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3 minutes ago, NorthHillsWx said:

If downeast NC and SC score major storms two winters in a row while the foothills remain blanked since 2022…

One of these days we’re going to get a juiced up low running just inland of the coast with a 1035 high over the top and I’m going to get banned from this forum when I see the first I-85 north snarky remark. 

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