RU848789 Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago I know ensembles are the way to go beyond Day 7, when most of the snow on this AIFS map falls, but c'mon, you have to at least chuckle at this map if you live in the big cities. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wannabehippie Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 12 hours ago, MJO812 said: Euro is frigid in the long range Will all that cold air, with the accompanying big high pressure system suppress everything south, with just a few light snow events via clippers coming thru, or will we squeeze in a system to ride up the coast? Stay tuned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Wannabehippie said: Will all that cold air, with the accompanying big high pressure system suppress everything south, with just a few light snow events via clippers coming thru, or will we squeeze in a system to ride up the coast? Stay tuned. in recent history is a guide-frigid and dry 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 21 hours ago, Krs4Lfe said: The only thing that seems to be guaranteed throuhh the end of the month is cold air. GFS has a larger storm just offshore for the 18th. Euro has nothing. All models are signaling a larger storm around the 23rd. Looks like colder air sets in on Wednesday; ending our thaw, and then arctic air comes in next weekend and stays (probably some slight moderation at time) throuhh the end of the month. Very active long range signal. Not just for here but finally for central and south US as well. Will winter finally begin for those places? Is cold air ever guaranteed at 41° N and 74° W? I count 3 separate rain events in the LR on both the GFS and ECMWF. In January that can't be that cold. No we don't forecast based on LR OP model runs. But it's risky to guarentee something in the face of directly contradictory evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Through tomorrow, highs will generally reach the 40s during the daytime and 30s for lows in New York City. Some light precipitation is possible tomorrow evening into Thursday. Rain showers could transition to a period of snow or snow showers, especially well north and west of New York City where a light accumulation is possible. Afterward, temperatures will "step down" with highs mainly in the middle and upper 30s in New York City and lows in the lower and middle 20s. Some teens are likely outside of New York City. Flurries and perhaps a heavier snow shower are possible on Saturday and Sunday as a renewed flow of cold air moves across the region. Temperatures will remain below normal through at least early next week. After January 20th, conditions might become more favorable for both cold and snowfall, especially if the PNA remains predominantly positive, as has often occurred following the breakdown of long-duration PNA- regimes. PNA-related developments would have larger implications for snowfall. A persistently positive PNA would have above climatological risk of moderate or significant snowfalls. A mainly negative PNA would favor mainly small snowfalls. It will likely be another day or two before the guidance reaches the high-skill timeframe for teleconnection forecasts related to closing days of January. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.7°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.8°C for the week centered around January 7. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -0.47°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.67°C. La Niña conditions will likely continue into at least late winter. The SOI was +8.91 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was -0.667 today. Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied near 58% probability that New York City will have a cooler than normal January (1991-2020 normal). January will likely finish with a mean temperature near 33.3° (-0.4° below normal). Supplemental Information: The projected mean would be 0.7° above the 1981-2010 normal monthly value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, RU848789 said: I know ensembles are the way to go beyond Day 7, when most of the snow on this AIFS map falls, but c'mon, you have to at least chuckle at this map if you live in the big cities. March 1-2, 1980 might have an intellectual property claim against the AIFS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krs4Lfe Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 42 minutes ago, eduggs said: Is cold air ever guaranteed at 41° N and 74° W? I count 3 separate rain events in the LR on both the GFS and ECMWF. In January that can't be that cold. No we don't forecast based on LR OP model runs. But it's risky to guarentee something in the face of directly contradictory evidence. Correct. Cold”er” seems like a lock; but clearly not that cold because it can’t even support snow 1 hour ago, Brian5671 said: in recent history is a guide-frigid and dry Very reminiscent of January and February 2019. Warm and wet and cold and dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krs4Lfe Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago In fact, latest Icon model has rain and 40 degrees for Sunday the 18th. Steady snow inland. Time is running out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 6 minutes ago, Krs4Lfe said: In fact, latest Icon model has rain and 40 degrees for Sunday the 18th. Steady snow inland. Time is running out It just trended west on the icon. Whats running out of time ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krs4Lfe Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, MJO812 said: It just trended west on the icon. Whats running out of time ? Icon trended west but the boundary layer is torched, so it’s rain. Running out of time to turn this into a snow event down to the coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Just now, Krs4Lfe said: Icon trended west but the boundary layer is torched, so it’s rain. Running out of time to turn this into a snow event down to the coast. Icons thermals are always questionable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 4 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Icons thermals are always questionable It IS a sloppy phase but also there's no real high in place in SE Canada so probably even in a clean setup that one verbatim is close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krs4Lfe Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago AI GFS is closer with Sunday and looks much colder. But after what the GFS did with our snow/rain showers on Thursday and hyped it into a big snowstorm, it’s hard to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted 50 minutes ago Share Posted 50 minutes ago 2 hours ago, RU848789 said: I know ensembles are the way to go beyond Day 7, when most of the snow on this AIFS map falls, but c'mon, you have to at least chuckle at this map if you live in the big cities. I remember a similar map someone posted in Early December. December ended up just fine, through most of the forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krs4Lfe Posted 35 minutes ago Share Posted 35 minutes ago GFS OP has the storm just offshore for Sunday. It made the trough sharper so it’s closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU848789 Posted 34 minutes ago Share Posted 34 minutes ago 15 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: I remember a similar map someone posted in Early December. December ended up just fine, through most of the forum. It might have been me, lol. All kidding aside, I'd way rather be surrounded by a lot of snow in the long range than see no snow on the long range, as we all know ensemble means 10+ days out will change substantially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted 19 minutes ago Share Posted 19 minutes ago Weenie alert on the long range gfs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WeatherGeek2025 Posted 12 minutes ago Share Posted 12 minutes ago 7 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Weenie alert on the long range gfs temps in the teens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prue11 Posted 10 minutes ago Share Posted 10 minutes ago 14 hours ago, MJO812 said: Euro is frigid in the long range What do you consider frigid? I’m seeing lows down into the upper teens a few nights 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted 9 minutes ago Share Posted 9 minutes ago 2 minutes ago, WeatherGeek2025 said: temps in the teens We track but remain cautious. At least the CPC likes this timeframe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherGeek2025 Posted 6 minutes ago Share Posted 6 minutes ago 2 minutes ago, MJO812 said: We track but remain cautious. At least the CPC likes this timeframe. what do you see from the GFS ensembles for Sunday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted 4 minutes ago Share Posted 4 minutes ago 2 minutes ago, WeatherGeek2025 said: what do you see from the GFS ensembles for Sunday? Meh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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