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Central PA Winter 25/26 Discussion and Obs


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The model outputs a couple days ago started for the south and Missouri valley started Twitter arguments between metrologist so intense it ended up all over the news. I think a prudent thing to do is look who was right tomorrow morning

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2 minutes ago, pasnownut said:

yall can debbie all you want, but so far 0z mesos look just fine to me.  minimal taint and front end poundtown. 

 

 

I don’t think anyone is being down - just knowing the NAM can sniff out thermals well sometimes. 
 

And sometimes it acts like it’s had half a liter of babushka vodka

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9 minutes ago, paweather said:

CTP hasn’t touched amounts yet in my area 

They are smart to hold the line.  Peeps know its coming, and if they need to tweak tomorrow night...so be it, but no matter what the tweak is, this isnt going from something to nothing....its just going to be a different big headache (and possibly more substantial if we taint a lot.

In the end, its gonna be travel challenges, and possibly more notable w/ pingerfest vs big ass drifts.  pick your travel poison. 

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11 minutes ago, canderson said:

I don’t think anyone is being down - just knowing the NAM can sniff out thermals well sometimes. 
 

And sometimes it acts like it’s had half a liter of babushka vodka

us slovaks call it boilo.  fan friggin tastic stuff pal. 

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6 minutes ago, NepaJames8602 said:

If one thing is for certain, this air mass means business. Down to zero right now here in the Poconos.

wow.  Is enjoy the proper response?  

send that shit south.  I want whatever we get to be here for weeks.

 

FYI, I still have enough snow cover that I could scoot around on snomobiles in fields.  I will take pics tomorrow as I need to work on one.  Yall will need to help me post it.  Pics are a pain in da arse on this site.

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You know I could agree with model guidance about the warm nose heading so far north if this cold air was a week old and not a fresh air mass that is coming in tonight. Im sticking to my guns on this. we will have some pingers we often do have more of a icy snow when it comes to colder big storms.I just think models are having a hard time with how cold the air is and have deep vs the storm coming from the south the models run from mid day I saw had the main low more south. But yet the ice/warmer nose moved more north? 

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12 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

I'll look when I get home next weekend but I vividly remember measuring 4.1" of sleet in Maytown.

That’s about what the 3k NAM puts out for a large chunk of Virginia into the western Carolinas. Despite getting the mixing further north, it is by no means warm outside of that region near the 800mb level where above freezing air manages to advect in. 

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Which actually brings up the haggling over details that I’m usually trying to sort out for our area, ice impacts. Let’s look down in the Mid-Atlantic region…I’m no fan of whatever algorithm the Euro uses to generate its p-types when it comes to sleet vs freezing rain. Instead of a sleet bomb, it pretty much encases the entire state of Virginia in about .75-1.00” of freezing rain. These two models have a pretty similar column thermally. 

Here’s Euro’s 925mb (3000 ft temps) 

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Euro 1hr precip/ptype at the same frame

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That’s with surface temps in the low to mid 20s all the way down thru western NC and 850mb (5000ft) temps below zero in northern VA. No way am I buying that big of an expanse of crippling freezing rain on CAD of that strength and depth there outside of the Apps in the far western part of the state. A much more sleet heavy scenario, with an eventual transition to freezing rain late in the event seems more plausible. But yea those are two models with radically different ice scenarios despite similar column thermals.

Applying this to our area, any mix type during the main part of this is going to be sleet. There’s just too much depth to the cold for anything appreciable freezing rain wise.

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Just now, Ruin said:

You know I could agree with model guidance about the warm nose heading so far north if this cold air was a week old and not a fresh air mass that is coming in tonight. Im sticking to my guns on this. we will have some pingers we often do have more of a icy snow when it comes to colder big storms.I just think models are having a hard time with how cold the air is and have deep vs the storm coming from the south the models run from mid day I saw had the main low more south. But yet the ice/warmer nose moved more north? 

Shut up

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Just now, pasnownut said:

wow.  Is enjoy the proper response?  

send that shit south.  I want whatever we get to be here for weeks.

 

FYI, I still have enough snow cover that I could scoot around on snomobiles in fields.  I will take pics tomorrow as I need to work on one.  Yall will need to help me post it.  Pics are a pain in da arse on this site.

I will prop some fans on my roof blowing south lol.

I have about 4.0" inches of snow pack remaining here. Snow on snow is always welcomed. 

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6 minutes ago, canderson said:

One of my best friends is originally from Pottsville and every Christmas gets some of that. It’s not bad! 

My mom used to make me a couple gallons every year.  Diabetes sorta put the kaibosh to that.  I've since learned a less sugary way to do it.  I'd love nothin more than to mix some of her secret stash, and share it w/ yall.

 

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