August 2025 Discussion-OBS - cooler than normal first week but a big comeback to warmer than normal for the last 2-3 weeks

[SI Mailman]

I can guarantee rain here on Wednesday night.  I plan on taking my car to the car wash on Wednesday morning to wash off all the dead bugs from my road trip to Niagara and the Finger Lakes this past weekend.  Weather was mid to upper 80's and beautiful up there.  

[bluewave]

Nice improvements in the temperature department on the 0z runs. The models get Erin back to near 70W off the Carolinas. So it erodes the ridge and lowers the 500mb heights. This causes the current warm pattern to end by early next week.

Tropical systems are often the wild card for us after mid-August heatwaves. They can stay offshore like the current guidance shows and still weaken the WAR or Southeast Ridge. 

The new runs now have lower heights in the East in just 12 hours. So we need later runs to get the storm back near 70W for the relaxation of the heat to continue.

Remember, the long range pattern all summer has been to build heights higher than the original forecasts. But it often takes a tropical system to disrupt heat patterns along the East Coast this time of year. 
 

New run

 

Old run 

 

New run

 

Old run

[uofmiami]

1 hour ago, bluewave said:

Nice improvements in the temperature department on the 0z runs. The models get Erica back to near 70W off the Carolinas. So it erodes the ridge and lowers the 500mb heights. This causes the current warm pattern to end by early next week.

Tropical systems are often the wild card for us after mid-August heatwaves. They can stay offshore like the current guidance shows and still weaken the WAR or Southeast Ridge. 

The new runs now have lower heights in the East in just 12 hours. So we need later runs to get the storm back near 70W for the relaxation of the heat to continue.

Remember, the long range pattern all summer has been to build heights higher than the original forecasts. But it often takes a tropical system to disrupt heat patterns along the East Coast this time of year. 
 

New runs have Erica weakening the ridge into the long range

 

Old run kept the heat going into next week

 

Late August ridge weakened in just one run. Will it hold for later runs? Stay tuned…

New run

 

Old run

Erica? Isn’t the next named system Erin in the Atlantic. 

[SACRUS]

 

74  / 66 mostly sunny and another beaut on the way.  Upper 80s to low 90s perhaps a mid 90 in the hottest areas.   Dryness leading to temps exceeding forecast in the sunshine.   Warm - hot week overall with increasing humidity.   Mainly low - mid 90s, perhaps the hootest areas get upper 90s 96/97 on Tuesday then again this weekend.  Rain/showers Wed PM and Thu, lets see how much clouds get in the way of the 90s.   Overall warm - hot throug the middle of next week.  Beyond there ridge west and a cooler - near normal period before the Atlantic ridge brings warmer humid flow to close the month.

 

8/11 - 8/19 :  Warm - Hot, more humid, rain limited to Wed Pm / Thu.  Peak heat Tue, Sat/Sun
8/20 - 8/24 :   Ridge west trough NE - near normal - Tropical activity to watch
8/25 - Beyond  :  Overall turning warm - hot / humid and wet

 

[SACRUS]

 

Records:

Highs:

EWR: 102 (1949)
NYC: 102 (1944)
LGA: 99 (1949)
JFK: 99 (1949)


Low:

EWR: 56 (1972)
NYC: 56 (1962)
LGA: 57 (1962)
JFK:  57 (1962)


Historical:

 

 

1928: At 24th & M DC - Washington set a record of 7.31 inches of rain in 24 hours. East Coast Storms (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1933: The shade temperature reached 136.4° at San Luis, Mexico, to unofficially share the world record with Aziziyah, Lybia. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1936: The warmest August temperature ever recorded in both Oklahoma City and Wichita Falls occurred on this date. The morning low in Oklahoma City was a warm 82°, before both cities warmed up to a very hot 113°. The old August record in Oklahoma City was 112, which was set the day before. In Wichita Falls, this record was tied on 8/6/1964. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
 

1940 - A Category 2 hurricane struck the Georgia and South Carolina coast. A 13-foot storm tide was measured along the South Carolina coast, while over 15 inches of rain fell across northern North Carolina. Significant flooding, the worst since 1607, and landslides struck Georgia, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia during the system's slow trek as a weakening tropical storm, and then as an extratropical cyclone, through the Southeast. The landslides which struck North Carolina were considered a once in a century event. Damages relating to the storm totaled $13 million (1940 USD), and 50 people perished.

1944 - The temperature at Burlington, VT, soared to an all-time record high of 101 degrees. (The Weather Channel) The Dog Days officially come to an end on this date, having begun the third day in July. Superstition has it that dogs tend to become mad during that time of the year. (The Weather Channel)

 

1968: A young girl in a lake was injured when a dust devil near Bristol, CT carried a 150 pound roof covering a picnic area into a lake.  (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1974: Illinois--Lightning struck and killed a boy who was hunting in Jersey County. (Ref. Lightning-The Underrated Killer.pdf)

1975: A line of heavy thunderstorms moved rapidly across portions of eastern South Dakota and into Iowa. In Canton, winds were estimated at 70 mph while the National Weather Service in Sioux Falls was belted with a 69 mph gust. The high winds leveled many trees and also destroyed some older buildings in Miner County while the Sioux Falls area had only tree damage and minor building damage. The storms maintained their strength as they moved into northwest Iowa. An uncompleted trucking terminal and several trucks received around $10,000 dollars in damage in Sac County while a grain storage bin was flattened and boat house destroyed near Storm Lake. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1979: The mercury was plummeting over portions of the Arrowhead of Minnesota. The temperature at Embarrass, MN fell to 28°, accompanied by a hard freeze. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

 

1980 - Clouds and moisture from Hurricane Allen provided a brief break from the torrid Texas heatwave, with daily highs mostly in the 70s to lower 90s. (The Weather Channel)

1984: Dulles Airport records 11 inches of rain in 24 hrs. (Ref. Dulles Weather Records) (Ref. AccWeather Weather History) Miami, FL set a record high for the date with 96°. Then a thunderstorm cools things off to 70°, which set a record low for the date. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1986: Atlanta, GA saw its streak of 38 consecutive days with 90 degrees or hotter finally come to an end with a reading of 89 °F. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1987 - An early evening thunderstorm in Wyoming produced hail up to two inches in diameter from Alva to Hulett. Snow plows had to be used to clear Highway 24 south of Hulett, where hail formed drifts two feet deep. (The National Weather Summary)

1988 - Moisture from what remained of Tropical Storm Beryl resulted in torrential rains across eastern Texas. Twelve and a half inches of rain deluged Enterprise TX, which was more than the amount received there during the previous eight months. Philadelphia PA reported a record forty-four days of 90 degree weather for the year. Baltimore MD and Newark NJ reported a record fourteen straight days of 90 degree heat. (The National Weather Summary)

1989 - One of the most severe convective outbreaks of record came to a climax in southern California after four days. Thunderstorms deluged Benton CA with six inches of rain two days in a row, and the flooding which resulted caused more than a million dollars damage to homes and highways. Thunderstorms around Yellowstone Park WY produced four inches of rain in twenty minutes resulting in fifteen mudslides. Thunderstorms over Long Island NY drenched Suffolk County with 8 to 10 inches of rain. Twenty-three cities in the southeastern U.S. reported record low temperatures for the date. It was, for some cities, the fourth straight morning of record cold temperatures. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1993: Ashley National Forest, Utah: A tornado strikes in the Uinta Mountains, 20 miles northeast of Roosevelt, Utah. It demolishes 1,000 acres of trees in the Ashley National Forest at 10,800 feet above sea level. (Ref. WxDoctor)

 

1999 - An F2 tornado touched down in the metropolitan area of Salt Lake City. The tornado lasted ten minutes and killed one person, injured more than 80 people, and caused more than $170 million in damages. It was the most destructive tornado in Utah's history and awakened the entire state's population to the fact that the Beehive State does experience tornadoes.

2001: A woman was struck and killed by lightning while on a boat in the Chesapeake Bay near the Oceanview section of Norfolk, VA. An Amherst, VA woman was struck by lightning and received minor injuries. (Ref. Lightning - Virginia Weather History)

2002: The National Weather Service at North Platte, NE reported huge 7 inch hail three miles east of Halsey, NE. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

2004: Wisconsin: A cold air mass descends over Wisconsin. Ten cities report maximum temperatures that are among the coldest ever for the month. Three break old records, two tie records and five record second lowest maximum temperature. High temperatures range from 52°F in the north to 59°F in southern part of the state. (Ref. WxDoctor)


2007: Dutch Harbor, AK set their all-time high temperature with a reading of 81°. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

 

2016: August 9-16. Weak low pressure combined with abundant Gulf moisture produced phenomenal rainfall and flooding across central Louisiana, inundating entire neighborhoods and towns, especially around Lafayette and Baton Rouge. Rainfall totals exceeded 20 inches in as little as two days. Thirteen people died and economic costs ranged from $10 to $15 billion.

[SACRUS]

9 hours ago, SI Mailman said:

I can guarantee rain here on Wednesday night.  I plan on taking my car to the car wash on Wednesday morning to wash off all the dead bugs from my road trip to Niagara and the Finger Lakes this past weekend.  Weather was mid to upper 80's and beautiful up there.  

6Z Eur has 0.25 - 0.50 (ish) overnight Wed / Thu.  

[SACRUS]

 

Through 8/10 Monthly Aug Departures

 

 

EWR: -3.2
NYC: -3.2
JFK: -3.5
LGA: -3.9

[Sundog]

17 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Through 8/10 Monthly Aug Departures

 

 

EWR: -3.2
NYC: -3.2
JFK: -3.5
LGA: -3.9

And in 5 years these departures are going to be -4 and we are going to be saying oh wow look how cold it was meanwhile 5 years ago these were all closer to -2.x

[TheClimateChanger]

The average high temperature at Buffalo has averaged 1.5F warmer than New York City (Central Park) for the first 10 days of August. Looking at historical records dating back to 1873 (153 years), I can find only 7 years where Buffalo was warmer for average high temperature for the first 10 days of August: 2025 (+1.5), 2021 (+2.5), 2016 (+3.4), 1959 (+1.8), 1947 (+5.9!), 1911 (+0.1), 1887 (+2.6). Based on 1991-2020 climate normals, Buffalo should be 4.5F cooler than New York City for mean high temperature over the first 10 days of August. The 153-year mean difference is slightly higher, with New York averaging 5.1F warmer.

Oddly, over the last 10 years (2016-2025), the difference between the two locations has averaged only 2.0F, with 3 of the 7 cases noted above occurring in that 10-year stretch. Not sure if there's a problem with the sensor at Central Park, but certainly a strange discrepancy from the historical norms.

[FPizz]

5 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

The average high temperature at Buffalo has averaged 1.5F warmer than New York City (Central Park) for the first 10 days of August. Looking at historical records dating back to 1873 (153 years), I can find only 7 years where Buffalo was warmer for average high temperature for the first 10 days of August: 2025 (+1.5), 2021 (+2.5), 2016 (+3.4), 1959 (+1.8), 1947 (+5.9!), 1911 (+0.1), 1887 (+2.6). Based on 1991-2020 climate normals, Buffalo should be 4.5F cooler than New York City for mean high temperature over the first 10 days of August. The 153-year mean difference is slightly higher, with New York averaging 5.1F warmer.

Oddly, over the last 10 years (2016-2025), the difference between the two locations has averaged only 2.0F, with 3 of the 7 cases noted above occurring in that 10-year stretch. Not sure if there's a problem with the sensor at Central Park, but certainly a strange discrepancy from the historical norms.

It gets brought up multiple times per day, sometimes spanning over pages, since the board existed.  Where have you been?  It gets talked about more than anything else on this entire sub forum.

[TheClimateChanger]

The haves and the have nots. When will this heat spill south and east out of northern New England and Upstate New York? It's like an impenetrable wall.

[Sundog]

1 hour ago, FPizz said:

It gets brought up multiple times per day, sometimes spanning over pages, since the board existed.  Where have you been?  It gets talked about more than anything else on this entire sub forum.

Nothing else to talk about in these in between times. You got something better?

[SACRUS]

 

Erin is formed

 

[Stormlover74]

Sunday and Monday looks like the peak of the heatwave with potential upper 90s then a cooldown behind it. Let's see if that holds

[SACRUS]

 

84 / 61 - nice day.  

 

[FPizz]

21 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Nothing else to talk about in these in between times. You got something better?

Ummm, it has been talked about ad nauseam, so lets bring it up again for the millionth time. While we are at it, Newark always seems warm doesn't it?  Has that ever been discussed? 

 

2 hours ago, Sundog said:

And in 5 years these departures are going to be -4 and we are going to be saying oh wow look how cold it was meanwhile 5 years ago these were all closer to -2.x

I never heard this one either over the years.  So you are saying that as we warm up a bit, colder departures will be larger with the new norms.  That is mind blowing stuff.  Any links to papers on it?  Fascinating.  

[forkyfork]

newark is sited properly and knyc isn't. hope this helps

[Sundog]

3 minutes ago, FPizz said:

Ummm, it has been talked about ad nauseam, so lets bring it up again for the millionth time. While we are at it, Newark always seems warm doesn't it?  Has that ever been discussed? 

 

I never heard this one either over the years.  So you are saying that as we warm up a bit, colder departures will be larger with the new norms.  That is mind blowing stuff.  Any links to papers on it?  Fascinating.  

Sometimes I even surprise myself with the level of genius I occasionally display

[forkyfork]

nyc's wind obs are also garbage

[Sundog]

6 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

nyc's wind obs are also garbage

Always recording variable 

[LibertyBell]

5 hours ago, bluewave said:

Nice improvements in the temperature department on the 0z runs. The models get Erin back to near 70W off the Carolinas. So it erodes the ridge and lowers the 500mb heights. This causes the current warm pattern to end by early next week.

Tropical systems are often the wild card for us after mid-August heatwaves. They can stay offshore like the current guidance shows and still weaken the WAR or Southeast Ridge. 

The new runs now have lower heights in the East in just 12 hours. So we need later runs to get the storm back near 70W for the relaxation of the heat to continue.

Remember, the long range pattern all summer has been to build heights higher than the original forecasts. But it often takes a tropical system to disrupt heat patterns along the East Coast this time of year. 
 

New run

 

Old run 

 

New run

 

Old run

the history of TC in our area is if they are offshore and recurve, we usually get big heat right after they leave our area

 

[LibertyBell]

24 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

nyc's wind obs are also garbage

this all started with ASOS

because mets are lazy, we should go back to how it was before things became automated

 

[LibertyBell]

26 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

newark is sited properly and knyc isn't. hope this helps

But Newark's temperatures are always 3-5 degrees hotter than the rest of the area.

[LibertyBell]

52 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

Sunday and Monday looks like the peak of the heatwave with potential upper 90s then a cooldown behind it. Let's see if that holds

Maybe 100 finally

[LibertyBell]

2 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said:

The average high temperature at Buffalo has averaged 1.5F warmer than New York City (Central Park) for the first 10 days of August. Looking at historical records dating back to 1873 (153 years), I can find only 7 years where Buffalo was warmer for average high temperature for the first 10 days of August: 2025 (+1.5), 2021 (+2.5), 2016 (+3.4), 1959 (+1.8), 1947 (+5.9!), 1911 (+0.1), 1887 (+2.6). Based on 1991-2020 climate normals, Buffalo should be 4.5F cooler than New York City for mean high temperature over the first 10 days of August. The 153-year mean difference is slightly higher, with New York averaging 5.1F warmer.

Oddly, over the last 10 years (2016-2025), the difference between the two locations has averaged only 2.0F, with 3 of the 7 cases noted above occurring in that 10-year stretch. Not sure if there's a problem with the sensor at Central Park, but certainly a strange discrepancy from the historical norms.

Heat is generally stronger to the north because those places are further away from the moderating effects of the ocean.

Manhattan is an island.

 

[Stormlover74]

3 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Maybe 100 finally

No

[LibertyBell]

3 hours ago, SACRUS said:

 

Records:

Highs:

EWR: 102 (1949)
NYC: 102 (1944)
LGA: 99 (1949)
JFK: 99 (1949)


Low:

EWR: 56 (1972)
NYC: 56 (1962)
LGA: 57 (1962)
JFK:  57 (1962)


Historical:

 

 

1928: At 24th & M DC - Washington set a record of 7.31 inches of rain in 24 hours. East Coast Storms (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1933: The shade temperature reached 136.4° at San Luis, Mexico, to unofficially share the world record with Aziziyah, Lybia. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1936: The warmest August temperature ever recorded in both Oklahoma City and Wichita Falls occurred on this date. The morning low in Oklahoma City was a warm 82°, before both cities warmed up to a very hot 113°. The old August record in Oklahoma City was 112, which was set the day before. In Wichita Falls, this record was tied on 8/6/1964. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
 

1940 - A Category 2 hurricane struck the Georgia and South Carolina coast. A 13-foot storm tide was measured along the South Carolina coast, while over 15 inches of rain fell across northern North Carolina. Significant flooding, the worst since 1607, and landslides struck Georgia, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia during the system's slow trek as a weakening tropical storm, and then as an extratropical cyclone, through the Southeast. The landslides which struck North Carolina were considered a once in a century event. Damages relating to the storm totaled $13 million (1940 USD), and 50 people perished.

1944 - The temperature at Burlington, VT, soared to an all-time record high of 101 degrees. (The Weather Channel) The Dog Days officially come to an end on this date, having begun the third day in July. Superstition has it that dogs tend to become mad during that time of the year. (The Weather Channel)

 

1968: A young girl in a lake was injured when a dust devil near Bristol, CT carried a 150 pound roof covering a picnic area into a lake.  (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1974: Illinois--Lightning struck and killed a boy who was hunting in Jersey County. (Ref. Lightning-The Underrated Killer.pdf)

1975: A line of heavy thunderstorms moved rapidly across portions of eastern South Dakota and into Iowa. In Canton, winds were estimated at 70 mph while the National Weather Service in Sioux Falls was belted with a 69 mph gust. The high winds leveled many trees and also destroyed some older buildings in Miner County while the Sioux Falls area had only tree damage and minor building damage. The storms maintained their strength as they moved into northwest Iowa. An uncompleted trucking terminal and several trucks received around $10,000 dollars in damage in Sac County while a grain storage bin was flattened and boat house destroyed near Storm Lake. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1979: The mercury was plummeting over portions of the Arrowhead of Minnesota. The temperature at Embarrass, MN fell to 28°, accompanied by a hard freeze. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

 

1980 - Clouds and moisture from Hurricane Allen provided a brief break from the torrid Texas heatwave, with daily highs mostly in the 70s to lower 90s. (The Weather Channel)

1984: Dulles Airport records 11 inches of rain in 24 hrs. (Ref. Dulles Weather Records) (Ref. AccWeather Weather History) Miami, FL set a record high for the date with 96°. Then a thunderstorm cools things off to 70°, which set a record low for the date. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1986: Atlanta, GA saw its streak of 38 consecutive days with 90 degrees or hotter finally come to an end with a reading of 89 °F. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1987 - An early evening thunderstorm in Wyoming produced hail up to two inches in diameter from Alva to Hulett. Snow plows had to be used to clear Highway 24 south of Hulett, where hail formed drifts two feet deep. (The National Weather Summary)

1988 - Moisture from what remained of Tropical Storm Beryl resulted in torrential rains across eastern Texas. Twelve and a half inches of rain deluged Enterprise TX, which was more than the amount received there during the previous eight months. Philadelphia PA reported a record forty-four days of 90 degree weather for the year. Baltimore MD and Newark NJ reported a record fourteen straight days of 90 degree heat. (The National Weather Summary)

1989 - One of the most severe convective outbreaks of record came to a climax in southern California after four days. Thunderstorms deluged Benton CA with six inches of rain two days in a row, and the flooding which resulted caused more than a million dollars damage to homes and highways. Thunderstorms around Yellowstone Park WY produced four inches of rain in twenty minutes resulting in fifteen mudslides. Thunderstorms over Long Island NY drenched Suffolk County with 8 to 10 inches of rain. Twenty-three cities in the southeastern U.S. reported record low temperatures for the date. It was, for some cities, the fourth straight morning of record cold temperatures. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1993: Ashley National Forest, Utah: A tornado strikes in the Uinta Mountains, 20 miles northeast of Roosevelt, Utah. It demolishes 1,000 acres of trees in the Ashley National Forest at 10,800 feet above sea level. (Ref. WxDoctor)

 

1999 - An F2 tornado touched down in the metropolitan area of Salt Lake City. The tornado lasted ten minutes and killed one person, injured more than 80 people, and caused more than $170 million in damages. It was the most destructive tornado in Utah's history and awakened the entire state's population to the fact that the Beehive State does experience tornadoes.

2001: A woman was struck and killed by lightning while on a boat in the Chesapeake Bay near the Oceanview section of Norfolk, VA. An Amherst, VA woman was struck by lightning and received minor injuries. (Ref. Lightning - Virginia Weather History)

2002: The National Weather Service at North Platte, NE reported huge 7 inch hail three miles east of Halsey, NE. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

2004: Wisconsin: A cold air mass descends over Wisconsin. Ten cities report maximum temperatures that are among the coldest ever for the month. Three break old records, two tie records and five record second lowest maximum temperature. High temperatures range from 52°F in the north to 59°F in southern part of the state. (Ref. WxDoctor)


2007: Dutch Harbor, AK set their all-time high temperature with a reading of 81°. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

 

2016: August 9-16. Weak low pressure combined with abundant Gulf moisture produced phenomenal rainfall and flooding across central Louisiana, inundating entire neighborhoods and towns, especially around Lafayette and Baton Rouge. Rainfall totals exceeded 20 inches in as little as two days. Thirteen people died and economic costs ranged from $10 to $15 billion.

1989 - One of the most severe convective outbreaks of record came to a climax in southern California after four days. Thunderstorms deluged Benton CA with six inches of rain two days in a row, and the flooding which resulted caused more than a million dollars damage to homes and highways. Thunderstorms around Yellowstone Park WY produced four inches of rain in twenty minutes resulting in fifteen mudslides. Thunderstorms over Long Island NY drenched Suffolk County with 8 to 10 inches of rain. Twenty-three cities in the southeastern U.S. reported record low temperatures for the date. It was, for some cities, the fourth straight morning of record cold temperatures. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

 

wow what was going on in 1989? we had another huge and terrible nationwide severe wx outbreak in November 1989 (which has been discussed before on here.)

 

1944 - The temperature at Burlington, VT, soared to an all-time record high of 101 degrees. (The Weather Channel) The Dog Days officially come to an end on this date, having begun the third day in July. Superstition has it that dogs tend to become mad during that time of the year. (The Weather Channel)

 

Look at how hot 1944 was, absolutely amazing !!

 

Highs:

EWR: 102 (1949)
NYC: 102 (1944)
LGA: 99 (1949)
JFK: 99 (1949)

 

1949 too, I would have been pissed off, JFK hit 99 instead of 100 lol.

 

1933: The shade temperature reached 136.4° at San Luis, Mexico, to unofficially share the world record with Aziziyah, Lybia. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1936: The warmest August temperature ever recorded in both Oklahoma City and Wichita Falls occurred on this date. The morning low in Oklahoma City was a warm 82°, before both cities warmed up to a very hot 113°. The old August record in Oklahoma City was 112, which was set the day before. In Wichita Falls, this record was tied on 8/6/1964. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

 

Tony what happened to this 1933 record from Mexico, I don't see it mentioned anywhere?

 

and 1936 endless heat continued....

 

 

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

No

upper 90s is very close to 100, it wouldn't take much to get there.

[Sundog]

8 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

But Newark's temperatures are always 3-5 degrees hotter than the rest of the area.

It happens to be in an area that is 3 to 5 degrees warmer than everyone else. It's not a sensor problem. 

Look at me, during the day I equal or beat LGA for highs, northern Queens even in the east where it's suburban is just hotter than other spots that are actually more urban. 

 

[Stormlover74]

And while it's outside the metro TTN is always too low. It should be similar to SMQ for highs but currently is running 4 degrees behind. And teb is just a mess