July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability

[LibertyBell]

46 minutes ago, bluewave said:

The last cool summer here was in 2014. But it wasn’t as cool as 2009 which had the coolest June and July since the 1940s. Our summers switched to much warmer and 2010. So there have been no cool summers with 15 or lower 90° days since the 15-16 baseline jump in temperatures. We would frequently get a few warmer summers followed a much cooler one. Now it’s all well above the historical 90° norms with no cool summers anymore. As you can see on the charts below, we had plenty of those cooler summers in the 1940s and 1950s. 
 

Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Jan through Dec
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

1	1967	7	0
2	1996	9	0
3	1985	11	0
4	1982	12	0
-	1975	12	0
-	1946	12	0
7	2004	13	0
8	2009	14	0
-	1962	14	0
-	1956	14	0
11	2014	15	0
-	1976	15	0
-	1969	15	0
-	1960	15	0
-	1942	15	0
-	1940	15	0

 

Coldest June-July since 1940Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ
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1	1940-07-31	71.5	0
2	2009-07-31	71.6	0
3	1947-07-31	71.7	0
4	1958-07-31	72.2	0
-	1946-07-31	72.2	0
5	1945-07-31	72.4	0
6	1956-07-31	72.5	0
7	1985-07-31	72.8	0
8	1951-07-31	72.9	0
-	1950-07-31	72.9	0
-	1941-07-31	72.9	0
9	2000-07-31	73.0	0
10	1967-07-31	73.1	0
-	1962-07-31	73.1	0
-	1948-07-31	73.1	0
-	1942-07-31	73.1	0

We might need another volcanic eruption like Pinatubo in 1992 to get a cool summer like that again.  If it wasn't for Pinatubo we would have had a 5 year hot summer streak from 1991-1995.

I remember in 1990 and 1991 we were talking about how historically hot it was in NYC, 23 out of 24 months above normal and record world heat at that time (average global temperature over 57 degrees for both years.)

 

 

[SACRUS]

 

 

83 / 72  sunny.  Hot one - hottest day since Jul 8th - mid - upper 90s, a race to 100 vs clouds and storms/showers later this evening.   Will be close.   Weekend gets a reprieve from heat with onshore Saturday / inland hotter areas still to 90 on Satruday,  Clouds / storms on Sunday keep it cooler.  Mon - Wed hot again as stronger heat bubbles north ,Tue 850 MB temps >18c - >19c push the hot spots to the upper 90s / perhaps low 100s, still need to watch clouds / storms.    Ridge backs west by the 31st with cooler period that sees a onshore flow develop before warm-hot returns around the 7/8th.  

 

7/25 - 7/30 :  Hot / Humid - Storms Fri PM / Sun - Peak heat Fri /Tue-Wed
7/31 - 8/7 :  Cooler - overall near normal  drier
8/8 :  Overall warm - hot / Humid 

 

[winterwarlock]

8 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

 

83 / 72  sunny.  Hot one - hottest day since Jul 8th - mid - upper 90s, a race to 100 vs clouds and storms/showers later this evening.   Will be close.   Weekend gets a reprieve from heat with onshore Saturday / inland hotter areas still to 90 on Satruday,  Clouds / storms on Sunday keep it cooler.  Mon - Wed hot again as stronger heat bubbles north ,Tue 850 MB temps >18c - >19c push the hot spots to the upper 90s / perhaps low 100s, still need to watch clouds / storms.    Ridge backs west by the 31st with cooler period that sees a onshore flow develop before warm-hot returns around the 7/8th.  

 

7/25 - 7/30 :  Hot / Humid - Storms Fri PM / Sun - Peak heat Fri /Tue-Wed
7/31 - 8/7 :  Cooler - overall near normal  drier
8/8 :  Overall warm - hot / Humid 

 

looks like a really good summer stretch and Saturday at least should be a decent beach day. 

[winterwarlock]

2 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

I can't be concerned with a measly 4 days without rain when the number one killer on the planet is flooding and we've seen hundreds of people die from flooding.  I wouldn't mind if we didn't see rain for another month.  Having a lawn isn't important to me and I'm used to not seeing rain in the summer.  Our reservoirs are at 93% there really is no need for rain.  We get synoptic rains 9 months out of the year, there is zero need for that kind of rain in the summer.  Summer is supposed to be our dry season, I've been used to dry summers my entire life living here, I'm not sure where you got the idea that we're supposed to have a tropical rain forest kind of climate.

 

im in the lawn business....believe me the lawns come back...i dont know why people fret so much about them. There will always be dry stretches during the May to October season where lawns go through a cycle of browning out. It doesnt take much to bring them back. I think 2022 was really really bad around my parts...dry and lots of 95 to over 100 temps. Last year was ok in the summer but the lawns crisped up in September with no rain. 

 

This year we havent skipped any lawns for dryness which is the first time i can remember in almost 10 years. We shall see as we progress through some more 90 plus days in the next week..a thundershower or two mixed in will keep the lawns going.

[SACRUS]

 

 

Records:
 

Highs:

EWR:  99 (2016)  one of only 2 days in Jul with record highs not 100 or higher
NYC: 97 (1999)
LGA: 97 (1999)
JFK: 93 (2010)
New Brunswck: 98 (2010)



Lows:

EWR: 57 (1932)
NYC: 57 (1953)
LGA: 59 (1997)
JFK: 59 (1997)
New Brunswick: 52 (2003)


Historical:

 

1609: The Jamestown expedition nearly came to an untimely end as the fleet of ships encountered a tropical storm while sailing northwest through the Bahamas. One of the nine ships sunk and the rest of the fleet scattered as far north as Bermuda. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1891 - The mercury hit 109 degrees at Los Angeles, CA, marking the peak of a torrid heat wave. (David Ludlum)

1936: Lincoln, Nebraska saw an all-time high temperature of 115 degrees. The low only dropped to 91 degrees and the average temperature was 103. Many people spent the night sleeping outside to escape the heat. 

 

1952: The State of Alabama was in the midst of a critical heat wave and drought. During an 8-day stretch, the "coolest" high temperature in Birmingham was 99°. The heat peaked on this date in Birmingham at 106°. This was just one degree short of the highest temperature ever recorded at Birmingham on 7/29/1930. During that heat wave and drought, some wells in Alabama went dry for the very first time. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1956 - The Andrea Doria sank in dense fog near Nantucket Lightship, MA. The ship was rammed by the Swedish-American liner, Stockholm, forty-five miles off the coast of Massachusetts. Fifty-two persons drowned, or were killed by the impact. (David Ludlum) (The Weather Channel)

1959: The depression meandered westward while steadily intensifying, becoming a Tropical Storm Debra on July 24. A turn towards the northwest became evident as it attained Category 1 hurricane status on the Saffir–Simpson Hurricane Scale on the following day. Strength was maintained as the hurricane curved northward at a slow forward speed, and it approached the coast of Texas as a minimal hurricane. Debra made landfall between Freeport and Galveston, Texas early on July 25. Debra rapidly weakened into a tropical storm and later a depression as it moved inland, and it dissipated on July 28. The remnant moisture later sparked upper-level thunderstorms in late July and early August.[2] Torrential rains were produced in southeastern Texas, peaking at 15.89 inches in Orange. This led to widespread flooding on highways, including portions of Farm Road 518, Highway 6, Highway 146, and U.S. Route 75. Sea vessels took the brunt of the storm, with many becoming stranded or damaged. Air, rail, and road transportation were significantly interrupted or even shut down. High winds from the storm caused expansive damage to buildings, windows, signs, and roofs. The hurricane resulted in 11 injuries but no human deaths, although approximately 90 cattle drowned. Damage in Brazoria, Galveston, and Harris counties surmounted $6.685 million. Additionally, impact in other areas increased the total losses to $7 million. (Ref. Wikipedia) (Ref. Daily News Record Newspaper - Harrisonburg, Virginia)

1972: Killing heat from 13th to 25th resulted in 185 deaths in Baltimore and 85 in the rest of MD. This heat wave in New York and Northeastern United States was significant as almost 900 people perished; the heat conditions lasted almost 16 days.  (1972 Heat Wave - Wikipedia.org)

1974: Brownsville, Minn.--Lightning killed a 17-year-old youth as he slept in a tent. A companion was injured. Western Texas--Lightning struck and fatally injured a woman during a thunderstorm. (Ref. Lightning-The Underrated Killer.pdf)

1979: Flooding continues from Tropical Storm Claudette produced phenomenal rainfall totals in southeast Texas. 43 inches fell in 24 hours around Alvin; setting a U.S. record. Freeport reported a total of 30 inches. Total damage from flooding was over $400 million dollars. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1984: The hardest hit area was the state capital of Pierre of SD. Winds gusting to 83 mph demolished 13 planes and several hangers at the Pierre airport. The thunderstorm also produced very heavy rains as 4 inches of rain fell in 30 minutes flooding streets across town. Winds in excess of 70 mph caused crop and property damage in many areas across central South Dakota. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
 

1986 - Tremendous hailstones pounded parts of South Dakota damaging crops, buildings and vehicles. Hail piled two feet deep at Black Hawk and northern Rapid City. Hail an inch and a quarter in diameter fell for 85 minutes near Miller and Huron, piling up to depths of two feet. (The Weather Channel)

1987 - Sixteen cities in the eastern U.S. reported record high temperatures for the date. Beckley, WV, equalled their all-time record high of 91 degrees, established just the previous day. It marked their fourth day in a row of 90 degree heat, after hitting 90 degrees just twice in the previous 25 years of records. The water temperature of Lake Erie at Buffalo, NY, reached 79 degrees, the warmest reading in 52 years of records. (The National Weather Summary)

1988 - Thunderstorms produced severe weather from central Kansas to western Kentucky and southern Illinois during the day. Thunderstorms produced tennis ball size hail at Union, MO, and winds gusts to 65 mph at Sedalia, MO. Five cities in Washington and Oregon reported record high temperatures for the date. Medford, OR, hit 107 degrees. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1989 - Early afternoon thunderstorms over west central Missouri drenched the town of Ferguson with four inches of rain. Early evening thunderstorms in Pennsylvania produced more than two inches of rain north of Avella in one hour. (The National Weather Summary)

 

1990: Intense, slow-moving thunderstorms, dumped up to 11 inches of rain in just 6 hours at Lawton, OK. The flash flooding closed many roads, and 50 to 60 motorists had to be rescued when they became stranded in the high water. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1992: Grapefruit sized hail knocked windshields out of several cars about 9.5 miles northeast of Scott City, KS.(Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1993: Lightning prevalent in north and eastern GA - 12 homes hit in Cobb County (2 destroyed). A police officer in Augusta survived a strike while working a traffic accident. On the 26th, 10 people at the Atlanta Zoo were injured by lightning while sheltering under a gazebo. (Weather Guide Calendar with Phenomenal Weather Events 2011 Accord Pub. 2010, USA)

1997: Campbell County, VA a lightning strike injured a man at Timberlake. (Ref. Lightning - Virginia Weather History)

1998: Kansas City was especially hard hit by heavy rain with the suburb of Independence reporting 6.5 inches of rain, most of it falling in a matter of a few hours. Thunderstorms produced 2 to 3 inches of rain over parts of Banner and Cheyenne counties of the Nebraska panhandle, with local amounts around 4.5 inches. This produced flash flooding which closed some county roads, and put 6 to 18 inches of water on some streets in Sidney, NE. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

2000: An F4 tornado at Granite Falls, MN caused one fatality and $20 million dollars in damage. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

2005: The citizens of Sand Point, Alaska saw a rare tornado touchdown on two uninhabited islands. Sand Point is part of the Aleutian Chain and is located about 570 miles southwest of Anchorage.

2006: It was the hottest day during the current heat wave in central California. Some record highs included: Delano: 116°, Three Rivers: 116°, Wasco: 114°, China Lake Naval Air Station: 113°, Fresno: 113°, Bakersfield: 112 °F.(Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

2010: The 105 °F recorded at the Richmond International Airport on the 24th and 25th also ties the highest maximum temperature ever recorded in July in Richmond. The high of 105 °F and low of 79 °F on these two dates yields a daily average temp of 92.0 °F which breaks the all-time daily mean temp of 91.5. Thus making these two dates the hottest days ever recorded in the past 113 years for Richmond. (Ref. Richmond Weather Records - KRIC) This highest temperature ever recorded for July of 105 °F has occurred on two other dates. (Ref. Richmond Weather Records - KRIC)
On the 25th, damaging straight line thunderstorm winds with widespread gusts 60-75 mph and isolated gusts to 90 mph across parts of Fairfax and Loudoun Counties in Virginia and Montgomery, northern Prince Georges, Ann Arundel and Charles counties in Maryland and in Washington, DC. The storm resulted in 3 deaths from wind and one from lightning, widespread damage from downed trees and power lines, and loss of power to more than 300,000 customers.

 

 

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, winterwarlock said:

im in the lawn business....believe me the lawns come back...i dont know why people fret so much about them. There will always be dry stretches during the May to October season where lawns go through a cycle of browning out. It doesnt take much to bring them back. I think 2022 was really really bad around my parts...dry and lots of 95 to over 100 temps. Last year was ok in the summer but the lawns crisped up in September with no rain. 

 

This year we havent skipped any lawns for dryness which is the first time i can remember in almost 10 years. We shall see as we progress through some more 90 plus days in the next week..a thundershower or two mixed in will keep the lawns going.

Yeah we really don't get the kind of droughts here that they get in California and other places out west.  I don't think we can go more than 6-7 days without rain here in the summer anymore.  We might get a lot of rain at once, which isn't good either.

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

 

Records:
 

Highs:

EWR:  99 (2016)  one of only 2 days in Jul with record highs not 100 or higher
NYC: 97 (1999)
LGA: 97 (1999)
JFK: 93 (2010)
New Brunswck: 98 (2010)



Lows:

EWR: 57 (1932)
NYC: 57 (1953)
LGA: 59 (1997)
JFK: 59 (1997)
New Brunswick: 52 (2003)


Historical:

 

1609: The Jamestown expedition nearly came to an untimely end as the fleet of ships encountered a tropical storm while sailing northwest through the Bahamas. One of the nine ships sunk and the rest of the fleet scattered as far north as Bermuda. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1891 - The mercury hit 109 degrees at Los Angeles, CA, marking the peak of a torrid heat wave. (David Ludlum)

1936: Lincoln, Nebraska saw an all-time high temperature of 115 degrees. The low only dropped to 91 degrees and the average temperature was 103. Many people spent the night sleeping outside to escape the heat. 

 

1952: The State of Alabama was in the midst of a critical heat wave and drought. During an 8-day stretch, the "coolest" high temperature in Birmingham was 99°. The heat peaked on this date in Birmingham at 106°. This was just one degree short of the highest temperature ever recorded at Birmingham on 7/29/1930. During that heat wave and drought, some wells in Alabama went dry for the very first time. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1956 - The Andrea Doria sank in dense fog near Nantucket Lightship, MA. The ship was rammed by the Swedish-American liner, Stockholm, forty-five miles off the coast of Massachusetts. Fifty-two persons drowned, or were killed by the impact. (David Ludlum) (The Weather Channel)

1959: The depression meandered westward while steadily intensifying, becoming a Tropical Storm Debra on July 24. A turn towards the northwest became evident as it attained Category 1 hurricane status on the Saffir–Simpson Hurricane Scale on the following day. Strength was maintained as the hurricane curved northward at a slow forward speed, and it approached the coast of Texas as a minimal hurricane. Debra made landfall between Freeport and Galveston, Texas early on July 25. Debra rapidly weakened into a tropical storm and later a depression as it moved inland, and it dissipated on July 28. The remnant moisture later sparked upper-level thunderstorms in late July and early August.[2] Torrential rains were produced in southeastern Texas, peaking at 15.89 inches in Orange. This led to widespread flooding on highways, including portions of Farm Road 518, Highway 6, Highway 146, and U.S. Route 75. Sea vessels took the brunt of the storm, with many becoming stranded or damaged. Air, rail, and road transportation were significantly interrupted or even shut down. High winds from the storm caused expansive damage to buildings, windows, signs, and roofs. The hurricane resulted in 11 injuries but no human deaths, although approximately 90 cattle drowned. Damage in Brazoria, Galveston, and Harris counties surmounted $6.685 million. Additionally, impact in other areas increased the total losses to $7 million. (Ref. Wikipedia) (Ref. Daily News Record Newspaper - Harrisonburg, Virginia)

1972: Killing heat from 13th to 25th resulted in 185 deaths in Baltimore and 85 in the rest of MD. This heat wave in New York and Northeastern United States was significant as almost 900 people perished; the heat conditions lasted almost 16 days.  (1972 Heat Wave - Wikipedia.org)

1974: Brownsville, Minn.--Lightning killed a 17-year-old youth as he slept in a tent. A companion was injured. Western Texas--Lightning struck and fatally injured a woman during a thunderstorm. (Ref. Lightning-The Underrated Killer.pdf)

1979: Flooding continues from Tropical Storm Claudette produced phenomenal rainfall totals in southeast Texas. 43 inches fell in 24 hours around Alvin; setting a U.S. record. Freeport reported a total of 30 inches. Total damage from flooding was over $400 million dollars. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1984: The hardest hit area was the state capital of Pierre of SD. Winds gusting to 83 mph demolished 13 planes and several hangers at the Pierre airport. The thunderstorm also produced very heavy rains as 4 inches of rain fell in 30 minutes flooding streets across town. Winds in excess of 70 mph caused crop and property damage in many areas across central South Dakota. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
 

1986 - Tremendous hailstones pounded parts of South Dakota damaging crops, buildings and vehicles. Hail piled two feet deep at Black Hawk and northern Rapid City. Hail an inch and a quarter in diameter fell for 85 minutes near Miller and Huron, piling up to depths of two feet. (The Weather Channel)

1987 - Sixteen cities in the eastern U.S. reported record high temperatures for the date. Beckley, WV, equalled their all-time record high of 91 degrees, established just the previous day. It marked their fourth day in a row of 90 degree heat, after hitting 90 degrees just twice in the previous 25 years of records. The water temperature of Lake Erie at Buffalo, NY, reached 79 degrees, the warmest reading in 52 years of records. (The National Weather Summary)

1988 - Thunderstorms produced severe weather from central Kansas to western Kentucky and southern Illinois during the day. Thunderstorms produced tennis ball size hail at Union, MO, and winds gusts to 65 mph at Sedalia, MO. Five cities in Washington and Oregon reported record high temperatures for the date. Medford, OR, hit 107 degrees. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1989 - Early afternoon thunderstorms over west central Missouri drenched the town of Ferguson with four inches of rain. Early evening thunderstorms in Pennsylvania produced more than two inches of rain north of Avella in one hour. (The National Weather Summary)

 

1990: Intense, slow-moving thunderstorms, dumped up to 11 inches of rain in just 6 hours at Lawton, OK. The flash flooding closed many roads, and 50 to 60 motorists had to be rescued when they became stranded in the high water. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1992: Grapefruit sized hail knocked windshields out of several cars about 9.5 miles northeast of Scott City, KS.(Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1993: Lightning prevalent in north and eastern GA - 12 homes hit in Cobb County (2 destroyed). A police officer in Augusta survived a strike while working a traffic accident. On the 26th, 10 people at the Atlanta Zoo were injured by lightning while sheltering under a gazebo. (Weather Guide Calendar with Phenomenal Weather Events 2011 Accord Pub. 2010, USA)

1997: Campbell County, VA a lightning strike injured a man at Timberlake. (Ref. Lightning - Virginia Weather History)

1998: Kansas City was especially hard hit by heavy rain with the suburb of Independence reporting 6.5 inches of rain, most of it falling in a matter of a few hours. Thunderstorms produced 2 to 3 inches of rain over parts of Banner and Cheyenne counties of the Nebraska panhandle, with local amounts around 4.5 inches. This produced flash flooding which closed some county roads, and put 6 to 18 inches of water on some streets in Sidney, NE. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

2000: An F4 tornado at Granite Falls, MN caused one fatality and $20 million dollars in damage. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

2005: The citizens of Sand Point, Alaska saw a rare tornado touchdown on two uninhabited islands. Sand Point is part of the Aleutian Chain and is located about 570 miles southwest of Anchorage.

2006: It was the hottest day during the current heat wave in central California. Some record highs included: Delano: 116°, Three Rivers: 116°, Wasco: 114°, China Lake Naval Air Station: 113°, Fresno: 113°, Bakersfield: 112 °F.(Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

2010: The 105 °F recorded at the Richmond International Airport on the 24th and 25th also ties the highest maximum temperature ever recorded in July in Richmond. The high of 105 °F and low of 79 °F on these two dates yields a daily average temp of 92.0 °F which breaks the all-time daily mean temp of 91.5. Thus making these two dates the hottest days ever recorded in the past 113 years for Richmond. (Ref. Richmond Weather Records - KRIC) This highest temperature ever recorded for July of 105 °F has occurred on two other dates. (Ref. Richmond Weather Records - KRIC)
On the 25th, damaging straight line thunderstorm winds with widespread gusts 60-75 mph and isolated gusts to 90 mph across parts of Fairfax and Loudoun Counties in Virginia and Montgomery, northern Prince Georges, Ann Arundel and Charles counties in Maryland and in Washington, DC. The storm resulted in 3 deaths from wind and one from lightning, widespread damage from downed trees and power lines, and loss of power to more than 300,000 customers.

 

 

Wild, the endless heat of 1936, 1999 and 2010 continued .....

 

2010: The 105 °F recorded at the Richmond International Airport on the 24th and 25th also ties the highest maximum temperature ever recorded in July in Richmond. The high of 105 °F and low of 79 °F on these two dates yields a daily average temp of 92.0 °F which breaks the all-time daily mean temp of 91.5. Thus making these two dates the hottest days ever recorded in the past 113 years for Richmond. (Ref. Richmond Weather Records - KRIC) This highest temperature ever recorded for July of 105 °F has occurred on two other dates. (Ref. Richmond Weather Records - KRIC)
On the 25th, damaging straight line thunderstorm winds with widespread gusts 60-75 mph and isolated gusts to 90 mph across parts of Fairfax and Loudoun Counties in Virginia and Montgomery, northern Prince Georges, Ann Arundel and Charles counties in Maryland and in Washington, DC. The storm resulted in 3 deaths from wind and one from lightning, widespread damage from downed trees and power lines, and loss of power to more than 300,000 customers.

 

Highs:

EWR:  99 (2016)  one of only 2 days in Jul with record highs not 100 or higher
NYC: 97 (1999)
LGA: 97 (1999)
JFK: 93 (2010)
New Brunswck: 98 (2010)
 

[SACRUS]

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

Yeah we really don't get the kind of droughts here that they get in California and other places out west.  I don't think we can go more than 6-7 days without rain here in the summer anymore.  We might get a lot of rain at once, which isn't good either.

 

Im going on 10 days since last rainfall here 

 

Last rainfall for the following

EWR: 7/14
NYC: 7/14
LGA:  7/14
JFK: 7/20

[LibertyBell]

21 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

 

83 / 72  sunny.  Hot one - hottest day since Jul 8th - mid - upper 90s, a race to 100 vs clouds and storms/showers later this evening.   Will be close.   Weekend gets a reprieve from heat with onshore Saturday / inland hotter areas still to 90 on Satruday,  Clouds / storms on Sunday keep it cooler.  Mon - Wed hot again as stronger heat bubbles north ,Tue 850 MB temps >18c - >19c push the hot spots to the upper 90s / perhaps low 100s, still need to watch clouds / storms.    Ridge backs west by the 31st with cooler period that sees a onshore flow develop before warm-hot returns around the 7/8th.  

 

7/25 - 7/30 :  Hot / Humid - Storms Fri PM / Sun - Peak heat Fri /Tue-Wed
7/31 - 8/7 :  Cooler - overall near normal  drier
8/8 :  Overall warm - hot / Humid 

 

are we sure today's going to be all that hot? it's not even in the mid 80s here yet and the sky is a deep blue kind of clear sky, no haze like we usually see on very hot days and the temperatures are not rising quickly like they did in late June at this time.

 

[LibertyBell]

Just now, SACRUS said:

 

Im going on 10 days since last rainfall here 

 

Last rainfall for the following

EWR: 7/14
NYC: 7/14
LGA:  7/14
JFK: 7/20

Yes, around here it's only been 5 days, we got about 30 minutes of a very heavy rain shower on the night of 7/20.... do you have the JFK total from that night Tony?

 

[SACRUS]

Just now, LibertyBell said:

are we sure today's going to be all that hot? it's not even in the mid 80s here yet and the sky is a deep blue kind of clear sky, no haze like we usually see on very hot days and the temperatures are not rising quickly like they did in late June at this time.

 

 

Assuming hot is : 90 - 94
Strong heat : 95 - 98
Extreme heat : 99 - 104
Inferno : 105+

Id go in the strong heat category with a few hot spots at extreme heat. 850 MB temps 18C - 19C.

[SACRUS]

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

Yes, around here it's only been 5 days, we got about 30 minutes of a very heavy rain shower on the night of 7/20.... do you have the JFK total from that night Tony?

 

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[LibertyBell]

Just now, SACRUS said:

 

Assuming hot is : 90 - 94
Strong heat : 95 - 98
Extreme heat : 99 - 104
Inferno : 105+

Id go in the strong heat category with a few hot spots at extreme heat. 850 MB temps 18C - 19C.

Oh nice I am going with this classification too.

Hot is like a SECS (4-8 inches of snow)

Strong heat is like a MECS (8 to 15 inches of snow)

Extreme heat is like a HECS  (16 to 29 inches of snow)

Inferno is like a BECS (30 inches of snow plus)

I would adjust strong heat to 95-99 and extreme heat to 100-104 though

 

[SACRUS]

 

In an otherwise cooler summer in reference to the deadly 1972 heatwave  - it di feature an almost 2 week heat wave.  Nothing exceptional but apparently this was a deadly heatwave in the mid atlantic / northeast

 

EWR

July 1972 Newark Weather

Day	High (°F)	Low (°F)	Precip. (inches)	Snow (inches)
July 1	84	64	0.00	0.0
July 2	91	71	0.00	0.0
July 3	91	72	0.14	0.0
July 4	79	65	0.00	0.0
July 5	68	61	0.10	0.0
July 6	75	59	0.00	0.0
July 7	78	60	0.00	0.0
July 8	78	63	0.13	0.0
July 9	79	61	0.00	0.0
July 10	89	67	0.00	0.0
July 11	91	69	0.00	0.0
July 12	91	73	0.00	0.0
July 13	78	71	3.25	0.0
July 14	92	73	0.00	0.0
July 15	95	76	0.00	0.0
July 16	90	77	0.00	0.0
July 17	92	75	0.74	0.0
July 18	90	78	0.00	0.0
July 19	95	78	0.00	0.0
July 20	90	74	0.11	0.0
July 21	93	73	0.19	0.0
July 22	92	75	0.00	0.0
July 23	96	79	0.00	0.0
July 24	90	80	0.00	0.0
July 25	91	72	0.01	0.0
July 26	80	66	0.00	0.0
July 27	81	68	0.00	0.0
July 28	81	68	0.00	0.0
July 29	81	66	0.00	0.0
July 30	81	69	0.00	0.0
July 31	73	69	0.03	0.0

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, SACRUS said:

 

In an otherwise cooler summer in reference to the deadly 1972 heatwave  - it di feature an almost 2 week heat wave.  Nothing exceptional but apparently this was a deadly heatwave in the mid atlantic / northeast

 

EWR

 

July 1972 Newark Weather

Day	High (°F)	Low (°F)	Precip. (inches)	Snow (inches)
July 1	84	64	0.00	0.0
July 2	91	71	0.00	0.0
July 3	91	72	0.14	0.0
July 4	79	65	0.00	0.0
July 5	68	61	0.10	0.0
July 6	75	59	0.00	0.0
July 7	78	60	0.00	0.0
July 8	78	63	0.13	0.0
July 9	79	61	0.00	0.0
July 10	89	67	0.00	0.0
July 11	91	69	0.00	0.0
July 12	91	73	0.00	0.0
July 13	78	71	3.25	0.0
July 14	92	73	0.00	0.0
July 15	95	76	0.00	0.0
July 16	90	77	0.00	0.0
July 17	92	75	0.74	0.0
July 18	90	78	0.00	0.0
July 19	95	78	0.00	0.0
July 20	90	74	0.11	0.0
July 21	93	73	0.19	0.0
July 22	92	75	0.00	0.0
July 23	96	79	0.00	0.0
July 24	90	80	0.00	0.0
July 25	91	72	0.01	0.0
July 26	80	66	0.00	0.0
July 27	81	68	0.00	0.0
July 28	81	68	0.00	0.0
July 29	81	66	0.00	0.0
July 30	81	69	0.00	0.0
July 31	73	69	0.03	0.0

wow it shows that even low to mid 90s can be deadly, the length of that heatwave might be what made it so deadly.

It's not on the list of longest NYC heatwaves though.

 

Why was that heatwave in 1972 more deadly than the two longer and more extreme heatwaves in 1999 though?  1999 was second only to 1953 in heatwave length and extremes.

 

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

In an otherwise cooler summer in reference to the deadly 1972 heatwave  - it di feature an almost 2 week heat wave.  Nothing exceptional but apparently this was a deadly heatwave in the mid atlantic / northeast

 

EWR

 

July 1972 Newark Weather

Day	High (°F)	Low (°F)	Precip. (inches)	Snow (inches)
July 1	84	64	0.00	0.0
July 2	91	71	0.00	0.0
July 3	91	72	0.14	0.0
July 4	79	65	0.00	0.0
July 5	68	61	0.10	0.0
July 6	75	59	0.00	0.0
July 7	78	60	0.00	0.0
July 8	78	63	0.13	0.0
July 9	79	61	0.00	0.0
July 10	89	67	0.00	0.0
July 11	91	69	0.00	0.0
July 12	91	73	0.00	0.0
July 13	78	71	3.25	0.0
July 14	92	73	0.00	0.0
July 15	95	76	0.00	0.0
July 16	90	77	0.00	0.0
July 17	92	75	0.74	0.0
July 18	90	78	0.00	0.0
July 19	95	78	0.00	0.0
July 20	90	74	0.11	0.0
July 21	93	73	0.19	0.0
July 22	92	75	0.00	0.0
July 23	96	79	0.00	0.0
July 24	90	80	0.00	0.0
July 25	91	72	0.01	0.0
July 26	80	66	0.00	0.0
July 27	81	68	0.00	0.0
July 28	81	68	0.00	0.0
July 29	81	66	0.00	0.0
July 30	81	69	0.00	0.0
July 31	73	69	0.03	0.0

The only thing that interrupted that heatwave was a 3.25 inch deluge on Day 3, I wonder what kind of storm that was? That was almost a 15 day heatwave if you count the 89 the day before it started.

[winterwarlock]

10 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

are we sure today's going to be all that hot? it's not even in the mid 80s here yet and the sky is a deep blue kind of clear sky, no haze like we usually see on very hot days and the temperatures are not rising quickly like they did in late June at this time.

 

I think upper 90s in the hottest spots with full sun. Yesterday wasnt all that hot but I ended up surging late to 90...I dont think its as intense as the June scorch but would be surprised not to hit at least 94 today. 

[LibertyBell]

Just now, winterwarlock said:

I think upper 90s in the hottest spots with full sun. Yesterday wasnt all that hot but I ended up surging late to 90...I dont think its as intense as the June scorch but would be surprised not to hit at least 94 today. 

94-98 is the range I would go with and that's pretty good (and close to our July max of 95 which we hit earlier in the month.)

[SACRUS]

4 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

94-98 is the range I would go with and that's pretty good (and close to our July max of 95 which we hit earlier in the month.)

 

I hope the JFK reporting includes the intra hour readings today, would be ashame to miss some spikes between hours.  Still dealing with BLM issues for over 2 months.

[SACRUS]

 

Max temps for Jul (so far) all on 7/8

EWR: 100
LGA: 98 
JFK: 93
NYC: 93

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

I hope the JFK reporting includes the intra hour readings today, would be ashame to miss some spikes between hours.  Still dealing with BLM issues for over 2 months.

are there power outages or something? what causes the intrahour issues?

I think they missed a 90 degree reading in there, we hit 90 here a few days ago at 4:04 pm and JFK didn't catch it.

[LibertyBell]

13 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

I hope the JFK reporting includes the intra hour readings today, would be ashame to miss some spikes between hours.  Still dealing with BLM issues for over 2 months.

I just saw a live video of the Manhattan skyline, why does it look so POLLUTED and SMOGGY?? Is it because of trapped pollutants from car fuel exhaust?? Barely any visibility in the video I saw, meanwhile 25 miles to the east over here it's a very clear and deep blue sky with zero haze.

[donsutherland1]

9 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

are there power outages or something? what causes the intrahour issues?

I think they missed a 90 degree reading in there, we hit 90 here a few days ago at 4:04 pm and JFK didn't catch it.

I was told that it was an I.T. issue, but no further details were provided.

[SnoSki14]

It's really crazy how different things feel with high vs low dews. I'll take 100+ with 50 dews over this crap any day 

[winterwarlock]

84/77/95

[winterwarlock]

Imby didnt hit 90 until 6/19. Since 6/19 I have a total of 20 90 degree days. That is 20 out of last 36 days of 90 plus. Today will add to that list. I have had 4 heatwaves...2 3 days variety and 2 of 4 days. Hottest day was 6/24 at 100. Since 6/19 27 of 36 days have recorded a max dew of 75 plus with the peak of 83 on 6/23 and 7/8. Hottest July day was 94 on July 8

 

Total July rainfall is 6.01 inches...more than half of which fell on 7/14

[LoboLeader1]

87F/DP 71/RH 61

[vegan_edible]

this reminds me of when i went to college in savannah, ga. basically walking through water vapor 

[winterwx21]

3 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

I understand; tomatoes, lettuce, cucumbers, they all need a lot of rain (I used to grow them, now I grow only flowers-- they need less watering lol).  It's a fine line between rain and fungus/mold though ;-)  I wouldn't mind rain Saturday night, it wouldn't interrupt anyone's beach plans.

Yeah despite all that flooding a little less than 2 weeks ago, I'm back to watering the vegetable garden now. And when I cut the lawn yesterday there was dry dirt flying. It doesn't take long for the soil to dry out in the summer. I think we could use some rain here again. I'd like to see a downpour later today. People that have vegetable gardens don't like going too long without rain. You can water all you want, but nothing makes the plants grow like rain. 

[Stormlover74]

2 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

Yeah despite all that flooding a little less than 2 weeks ago, I'm back to watering the vegetable garden now. And when I cut the lawn yesterday there was dry dirt flying. It doesn't take long for the soil to dry out in the summer. I think we could use some rain here again. I'd like to see a downpour later today. People that have vegetable gardens don't like going too long without rain. You can water all you want, but nothing makes the plants grow like rain. 

Certainly getting all that much rain at once is less preferable for soil concerns than 1 to 2" a week. If imagine much of it ran off