June 2025 discussion-obs: Summerlike

[wdrag]

33 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Walt, this is going to be a level 4 Geomagnetic storm, I read that aurorae viewing is possible down to the Carolinas and Alabama.  Even if you can't see them you can still capture them with your camera.

Yes I see that...  I'll recheck their numbers at 6PM when the new issuance arrives.  AND... hoping middle deck WAA clouds ahead of a weak boundary does not complicate things after 9PM.   Better chance of clear skies south and west of us. 

[Dark Star]

1 minute ago, Sundog said:

NYC already had a nuclear plant that provided 20% of its electricity needs, free of global price shocks and instability, and a clean source of 24/7 baseload power. 

Then the geniuses that run this place decided that it needed to be shut down. And guess what? Now we use far more fossil fuels to make up the loss on supply. 

The only wingnuts are the pretend environmentalists that have a irrational hate for nuclear. 

Not sure if the ones that ran the place shut it down?  Government pressure shut it down,  I think?  Nobody wants a nuclear power plant in their backyard.  Some say it is not wise to have such plants near extremely densely populated areas.  That is a point to consider. Remember, nuclear power plants are run by people.  All you have to do is drive, or just interact with people on a daily basis and you realize that the unthinkable can happen.  In general, I think we are getting sloppier.  In theory, nuclear energy sounds great, but between regulations and government intervention, the price to produce electricity tends to be higher.  Plus the endpoint storage has still not been settled.  In my naive mind, I would think that each nuclear facility would be a target, just for the nuclear waste alone. Yucca Mountain sounded like a good idea, but even the 7 people who live in Nevada do not want the national nuclear waste depository there.  To me, there is no negative side to storing it there.  Naysayers will point to fault lines and earthquakes, but wouldn't the waste still be contained?

[WestBabylonWeather]

2 minutes ago, Dark Star said:

Not sure if the ones that ran the place shut it down?  Government pressure shut it down,  I think?  Nobody wants a nuclear power plant in their backyard.  Some say it is not wise to have such plants near extremely densely populated areas.  That is a point to consider. Remember, nuclear power plants are run by people.  All you have to do is drive, or just interact with people on a daily basis and you realize that the unthinkable can happen.  In general, I think we are getting sloppier.  In theory, nuclear energy sounds great, but between regulations and government intervention, the price to produce electricity tends to be higher.  Plus the endpoint storage has still not been settled.  In my naive mind, I would think that each nuclear facility would be a target, just for the nuclear waste alone. Yucca Mountain sounded like a good idea, but even the 7 people who live in Nevada do not want the national nuclear waste depository there.  To me, there is no negative side to storing it there.  Naysayers will point to fault lines and earthquakes, but wouldn't the waste still be contained?

Once we have fully safe nuclear power plants with safeguards in place to prevent a meltdown even during a natural disasters will solve a lot of our problems. 

[cleetussnow]

2 minutes ago, WestBabylonWeather said:

Once we have fully safe nuclear power plants with safeguards in place to prevent a meltdown even during a natural disasters will solve a lot of our problems. 

The new ones have failsafes that work no matter what the circumstances are. No human intervention needed.  Esp. The micro plants that Amazon and Google are using soon.  

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, wdrag said:

Thanks for the alert. KP values very good but not sure if we can see it down here after sunset. Please see attached.

 

Looks like the peak for us is 11 pm to 2 am based on this table  We're UT-4 (because of DST).

[SACRUS]

Smoke coming north now cue Smoke from a Distant Fire - Sanford-Townsend Band

 

[Dark Star]

40 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

sounds like our healthcare issues with PBMs being the middlemen that are responsible for the increased costs.

Yes.  I can't fault a doctor making an honest income, but anything related to the medical field has an inflated price.  Syringes, masks, any piece of plastic...

[Wxoutlooksblog]

If there is again a very hot summer like the summers of 1983, 1993, 1953, and 1966 I believe it will occur when we are in a drier less active phase which might be one of the next two summers not this one. This summer all indications point to frequent cold fronts and low pressure systems whether they be tropical or not moving across the country from west to east or or out of the Gulf Of Mexico. This summer we can look forward to lots of onshore breezes, marine layers, and mid-upper 80s. Parts of Canada could be hotter than NYC.

WX/PT

[SACRUS]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

In the record books there are several examples of record hot streaks that haven't been matched since, I just listed the two most glaring examples.  1955 had the most 95+ days.  1949 had 5 days of 99 degrees or higher.  1948 had three days of 100 degrees or higher even at JFK.  There is something unique about this period that hasn't been matched since.

2010 was absolutely amazing and set the JFK records for several categories but didn't have a super heatwave like that. It looks like 2002 was the last time we had one of those.

There have been several In Jul 2016 LGA had 13 of 15 days above 90 with a streak of 9 straight with 5 straight highs of 94 coupled with a 98, 99.  2022 LGA has 6 straight 95 +.

 

There has been that onshore component the last 4/5 years limiting head east of the Hudson if the (we) is NYC/LI.

[SACRUS]

1 minute ago, Wxoutlooksblog said:

If there is again a very hot summer like the summers of 1983, 1993, 1953, and 1966 I believe it will occur when we are in a drier less active phase which might be one of the next two summers not this one. This summer all indications point to frequent cold fronts and low pressure systems whether they be tropical or not moving across the country from west to east or or out of the Gulf Of Mexico. This summer we can look forward to lots of onshore breezes, marine layers, and mid-upper 80s.

WX/PT

 

Peak heat could be later in Jul - and focus in August but suspect we follow an overall above normal temp wise and likely rain - wise.  

90 degree days range id expect 

EWR  / C-NJ , NE-NJ : >30 days
NYC:  20 days
LGA:  >25 days

[Wxoutlooksblog]

4 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Peak heat could be later in Jul - and focus in August but suspect we follow an overall above normal temp wise and likely rain - wise.  

90 degree days range id expect 

EWR  / C-NJ , NE-NJ : >30 days
NYC:  20 days
LGA:  >25 days

Sounds about right. For now the heat is almost always going to be over the top.

WX/PT

[ForestHillWx]

I’ll just take whatever today is for the majority of the next 3 months; that is assuming I had any power to control chaotic weather patterns at all, but I digress. 

Wearing pants and a long sleeve light shirt under partly cloudy skies and a light breeze as I continue to install my new garden. Perfect install weather considering it’s June 1. 

62/38 at the moment. 

[Sundog]

1 minute ago, ForestHillWx said:

I’ll just take whatever today is for the majority of the next 3 months; that is assuming I had any power to control chaotic weather patterns at all, but I digress. 

Wearing pants and a long sleeve light shirt under partly cloudy skies and a light breeze as I continue to install my new garden. Perfect install weather considering it’s June 1. 

62/38 at the moment. 

I'm sad that today is probably our last refreshing open windows day for a long time. 

[dWave]

On 5/31/2025 at 12:56 PM, LibertyBell said:

I found the 8 day 95+ 1944 super heatwave

Note there was another heatwave before that which was 9 days long.

1953 was even more extreme with a 12 day super heatwave (our longest ever) and a 7 day heatwave, with 4 100+ temps (2 in each one lol.) Look at this torrid stretch in 1953 late August and early September 98, 99, 98, 100, 97, 102 lol.... it was sandwiched by two 94 degree days if those were each 1 degree higher it would have tied 1944 for longest streak of 95+.  The streak in 1944 was 97, 102, 97, 96, 95, 95, 96, 95

2002 also had two long heatwaves, 9 and 8 days long.  The 8 day one had a 5 day streak of 95+: 96, 95, 95, 96, 97 .... that was our last 5 day streak of 95+ and also our last heatwave of 7+ days!

The July 1993 10 day super hot streak  (with 5 straight days of 95+ and 3 straight days of 100+: 98, 100, 101, 102, 97) I boldened was the hottest and longest heatwave I remember (I recall the July 1999 11 day streak too but it wasn't as hot as it was earlier in July when we hit 102 on back to back days.) One thing I do remember well about July 1999 was that it tied July 1993 for most 90 degree days in one month (20).

The 90s were known for these super heatwaves, 1991 had a 7 day heatwave with 5 straight days of 95+:  96, 99, 96, 100, 102.  The year with the most 95+ days was 1955 with 16.

That July 1977 9 day super heatwave with 5 straight days of 95+ is also noteworthy: 96, 98, 97, 100, 102.... after a brief reprieve of 92 it shot back up to 104 (our second hottest temperature on record, now tied with July 2011) for the last day of the heatwave !!

 

Longest Heat Waves - 90 degrees + in a row (through March 10)
Days	Dates	Temperatures
12	August 24 - Sept 4, 1953	91,91,91,94,98,99,98,100,97,102,94,90
11	July 23 - August 2, 1999	92,97,97,93,96,97,93,92,90,98,90
10	July 7 - 16, 1993 August 4 - 13, 1896	98,100,101,102,97,94,94,91,90,90 90,94,92,97,95,98,94,96,93,90
9	August 11 - 19, 2002 July 13 - 21, 1977 July 6 - 14, 1966 July 5 - 13, 1944	92,96,98,95,92,93,94,94,94 93,92,96,98,97,100, 102,92,104 91,93,91,91,91,94,99,101,95 93,94,91,94,92,91,93,93,91
8	July 29 - August 5, 2002 August 2 - 9, 1980 August 28 - Sept 4, 1973 August 10 - 17, 1944 June 26 - July 3, 1901	96, 95, 95, 96, 97, 90, 92, 91 91, 92, 91, 94, 93, 94, 96, 95 98, 95, 98, 94, 95, 94, 96, 93 97, 102, 97, 96, 95, 95, 96, 95 91,91,93,95,95,100,100,94
7	July 29 - August 4, 1995 August 9 - 15, 1998 July 15 - 21, 1991 July 12 - 18, 1983 July 7 - 13, 1981 August 1 - 7, 1955 July 15 - 21, 1953	93, 93, 91, 94, 96, 90,96 93, 93, 95, 94, 96, 99, 97 90, 93, 96, 99, 96, 100, 102 94, 93, 94, 98, 96, 93, 97 94, 95, 96, 93, 94, 94, 93 98, 100, 90, 95, 100, 97, 93 92, 97, 100, 101, 91, 90, 90

 

We still have some impressive heat waves and hot spells if you look at urban sites not called Central Park. Such as LGA, EWR etc. If you got a 10+ day heat wave in the Park today it'd probably be catastrophic because the reality would much worse than that for people within the UHI.

[MANDA]

9 minutes ago, ForestHillWx said:

I’ll just take whatever today is for the majority of the next 3 months; that is assuming I had any power to control chaotic weather patterns at all, but I digress. 

Wearing pants and a long sleeve light shirt under partly cloudy skies and a light breeze as I continue to install my new garden. Perfect install weather considering it’s June 1. 

62/38 at the moment. 

I agree.  Nice for just about anything outdoors except for beaching it.  Still warm when the sun pokes out.  

I know some are hating this but for me it is pleasant out and great day for working outdoors in the yard.

With the rain and cool of last 2 weeks my garden is lagging behind.

[FPizz]

2 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

and let's not dismiss the corruption of the aptly named *Con* Edison, these companies need to be closely regulated and monitored and prosecuted as soon as they go off the rails, as that company has done throughout its sordid history.

France is the size of Texas.  You'd need to upscale what they do big time. Comes with a price that most aren't willing to accept

[Sundog]

2 minutes ago, FPizz said:

France is the size of Texas.  You'd need to upscale what they do big time. Comes with a price that most aren't willing to accept

But with 70 million people. 

[Sundog]

Is buttermilk supposed to smell bad? I reconstituted a brand new buttermilk powder bag with water and it does not smell good. 

I have zero experience with buttermilk, this is my first foray into using it. 

[FPizz]

Just now, Sundog said:

But with 70 million people. 

And?  Its the upscaling that's the issue.  I can give two craps about electric since I have solar.  More people should do it, but don't and would rather complain.

[Sundog]

Just now, FPizz said:

And?  Its the upscaling that's the issue.  I can give two craps about electric since I have solar.  More people should do it, but don't and would rather complain.

I bet you wouldn't do it either if it didn't come with the house.

And how about the 150 million people that can't put solar panels? Not everyone lives in suburban sprawl. 

I think we've earned the right to complain when the "authorities" make boneheaded decisions on our behalf. 

[LibertyBell]

11 minutes ago, FPizz said:

France is the size of Texas.  You'd need to upscale what they do big time. Comes with a price that most aren't willing to accept

There is a way to do it though.  Each state is like its own country.  If you could give each state the ability to do it themselves it could work.

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, Sundog said:

I bet you wouldn't do it either if it didn't come with the house.

And how about the 150 million people that can't put solar panels? Not everyone lives in suburban sprawl. 

I think we've earned the right to complain when the "authorities" make boneheaded decisions on our behalf. 

No, it's becoming much more common in Brooklyn.  The good thing about brownstone solar is that you can supply your own power and sell the rest to others.

 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, MANDA said:

I agree.  Nice for just about anything outdoors except for beaching it.  Still warm when the sun pokes out.  

I know some are hating this but for me it is pleasant out and great day for working outdoors in the yard.

With the rain and cool of last 2 weeks my garden is lagging behind.

the one bad thing about the wind is it makes the seasonal allergies much worse

got anything that blocks pollination? we dont need any more of whatever is causing these allergies.

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, dWave said:

We still have some impressive heat waves and hot spells if you look at urban sites not called Central Park. Such as LGA, EWR etc. If you got a 10+ day heat wave in the Park today it'd probably be catastrophic because the reality would much worse than that for people within the UHI.

LGA and JFK's last really hot summer on this scale was also 2010.  I consider that the peak of what's possible here in terms of summer heat.

EWR is a furnace, it doesn't even belong in the same climate zone with the rest of us.

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, Sundog said:

I'm sad that today is probably our last refreshing open windows day for a long time. 

it really sucks for allergies, if you have a chemical that would block pollination of whatever crap is causing these allergies I'd be happy to spray it.

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, SACRUS said:

There have been several In Jul 2016 LGA had 13 of 15 days above 90 with a streak of 9 straight with 5 straight highs of 94 coupled with a 98, 99.  2022 LGA has 6 straight 95 +.

 

There has been that onshore component the last 4/5 years limiting head east of the Hudson if the (we) is NYC/LI.

LGA, JFK, etc all had their last blockbuster hot summer in 2010, LGA had 48 days 90+ JFK had 32 days 90+ and also set the record for 10 days of 95+ and tied the record of 3 100+ days.

[LibertyBell]

2 hours ago, Wxoutlooksblog said:

If there is again a very hot summer like the summers of 1983, 1993, 1953, and 1966 I believe it will occur when we are in a drier less active phase which might be one of the next two summers not this one. This summer all indications point to frequent cold fronts and low pressure systems whether they be tropical or not moving across the country from west to east or or out of the Gulf Of Mexico. This summer we can look forward to lots of onshore breezes, marine layers, and mid-upper 80s. Parts of Canada could be hotter than NYC.

WX/PT

This is a great point, we might need to wait for the AMO to switch to the negative phase for this to happen.

When the AMO switches to negative we get more 100 and above degree days in the summer and more 0 and below degrees days in the winter.

Cases in point

Years we went 0 and below in the winter and 100 and above in the summer: 1977, 1983, 1993, 1994

I think we also did both in the 40s-60s period several times.

When we switched to a +AMO our rainfall went up and our 100+ days in the summer and 0- days in the winter both dwindled.

 

[Sundog]

8 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

No, it's becoming much more common in Brooklyn.  The good thing about brownstone solar is that you can supply your own power and sell the rest to others.

 

100 million people rent. They're not putting solar panels. 

And even if you own your property, you'd have to shell out a ton of money up front. Half the country can't even afford one emergency, solar panels aren't happening for regular joe. 

 

[LibertyBell]

5 minutes ago, Sundog said:

100 million people rent. They're not putting solar panels. 

And even if you own your property, you'd have to shell out a ton of money up front. Half the country can't even afford one emergency, solar panels aren't happening for regular joe. 

 

I believe it's not as expensive as you think because the government gives you huge incentives (well they used to....) plus you can rent and apply the rental towards buying it later.

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[SACRUS]

21 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

LGA, JFK, etc all had their last blockbuster hot summer in 2010, LGA had 48 days 90+ JFK had 32 days 90+ and also set the record for 10 days of 95+ and tied the record of 3 100+ days.

 

yes if blockbuster means 40+ 90 degree days and not the 3 months as a whole, yes.  2016 , 2020 were very hot summers as well.  

Lets see who gets to 90 east of the Hudson and Narrows Wed - Fri to start tallying and tacking on this year albeit late but a start.