2025-2026 ENSO

[EastonSN+]

Nice dip in the AO.

 

[donsutherland1]

The PNA has gone positive with a value of +0.173.

As noted previously, all 10 long-duration winter PNA- regimes (25 or more consecutive days) have been followed by a regime change to positive  with more than two-thirds of the succeeding 30 days being above 0. 

[jaxjagman]

4 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

Nice dip in the AO.

 

Can you imagine that with this,of course its fantasy right now

[EastonSN+]

8 minutes ago, jaxjagman said:

Can you imagine that with this,of course its fantasy right now

I honestly do not understand these maps. Is that representative of a stretched PV?

[EastonSN+]

9 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

The PNA has gone positive with a value of +0.173.

As noted previously, all 10 long-duration winter PNA- regimes (25 or more consecutive days) have been followed by a regime change to positive  with more than two-thirds of the succeeding 30 days being above 0. 

Hey Don if that Dip in PNA is false, we could have the -AO, PNA and MJO phase 8 line up! The missing piece would be the NAO.

[Krs4Lfe]

3 hours ago, bluewave said:

The best snow cover extent relative to the means so far this winter was back in late November and early December prior to the big warm up for much of the CONUS outside the Northeast and Great Lakes. 
 

And that area of above average snowfall and below average temperatures continues to shrink every day. It's been a year without winter west of the Mississippi river. And here in the northeast we've torched quite well this week. Colder weather appears to return this week which brings more warmth to the west. Been lots of talk about a 2013-2014 pattern setting up or 2014-2015, but this winter is one of the farthest from those. 

[donsutherland1]

5 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

Hey Don if that Dip in PNA is false, we could have the -AO, PNA and MJO phase 8 line up! The missing piece would be the NAO.

Right now, the NAO still appears likely to be mainly positive. It wouldn't be a "deal-breaker."

[donsutherland1]

Amidst all the discussion of a possible strong WWB this month, the development of a pretty strong EWB slipped under the radar. In fact, the past two days have seen the SOI at or above +20. Interestingly enough, a slightly weaker EWB (just below +20) preceded the record-January WWB of 2017 by about a week.

[GaWx]

1 hour ago, EastonSN+ said:

Potential for phase 8 by EOM.

 Thanks for posting that.

 But well before any potential phase 8 late month, the models are near unanimous in predicting phase 6 lasting through Jan 21st. Per the image below, the current phase 6 started on Jan 5th. So, if the models verify well, this could end up as a 17 day long phase 6!

 How would a 17 day long phase 6 compare to the longest phase 6 on record (since 1974)? 

-Still not close to the 22 days in the summer of 1984 (7/28-8/18)

-But this would obliterate the longest on record fully within met. winter, which is 13 days set in 1999 (1/30-2/11) (also La Niña)

-The longest on record fully within Jan is the 11 days of 2005 (1/9-19).

-The longest on record fully within Jan during La Niña is the 10 days of 1976 (1/13-22).
 

 

https://www.bom.gov.au/clim_data/IDCKGEM000/rmm.74toRealtime.txt

[jaxjagman]

2 hours ago, EastonSN+ said:

I honestly do not understand these maps. Is that representative of a stretched PV?

Just shows the PV getting dispaced into the Baffin Sea and Northwesten Passages,its still just fantasy,not sure why i even  posted it here,but that could get quite cold into parts of NA depending on what ever teleconnection connect with

[snowman19]

2 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

Amidst all the discussion of a possible strong WWB this month, the development of a pretty strong EWB slipped under the radar. In fact, the past two days have seen the SOI at or above +20. Interestingly enough, a slightly weaker EWB (just below +20) preceded the record-January WWB of 2017 by about a week.

It’s pretty uncanny (at least so far) how close we’ve been following the 16-17 La Niña evolution….weak Niña, very strong -IOD in the fall, now the “under the radar” EWB and SOI spike right around the same times in January. Then the big WWB afterwards and total La Niña collapse….assuming this one (WWB) ends up being comparable to 2017. 
 

This latest EWB and SOI spike definitely did some damage though, huge SST drop in region 3.4 with the upwelling and there’s real healthy tropical instability waves showing up on the new SST charts 

 

 

[GaWx]

1 hour ago, snowman19 said:

It’s pretty uncanny (at least so far) how close we’ve been following the 16-17 La Niña evolution….weak Niña, very strong -IOD in the fall, now the “under the radar” EWB and SOI spike right around the same times in January. Then the big WWB afterwards and total La Niña collapse….assuming this one (WWB) ends up being comparable to 2017. 
 

This latest EWB and SOI spike definitely did some damage though, huge SST drop in region 3.4 with the upwelling and there’s real healthy tropical instability waves showing up on the new SST charts 

 

 

 
Comparisons of indices Jan ‘26 to Jan ‘17

1. Jan of 2017 was also at this time in phase 6. But that’s where the similarities end as 2017’s phase 6 was much shorter (lasted <2 days) and it sped all the way around to phase 3 by late month! It may just get to 8 at about the same time. So, MJO starting off similar but ending totally different.

 

2. PNA similar through Jan 21st but then 2017 went back to +PNA. We’ll see whether 2026 does that.

3. Strong +AO 2017 vs strong -AO 2026. So, AO patterns are opposites.

4. 2017 had a +NAO 1/7-18, but then it turned to a moderate -NAO 1/20-6 before rising to neutral late. 2026: -NAO til today and forecasted to head to weak +NAO for a week+. So, NAOs very different.

5. 2017 had -WPO-EPO most of first 1/2 and then +WPO/+EPO 2nd half vs 2026 having some +WPO/+EPO that’s now turning to -WPO/-EPO, which should last for awhile. So, WPO and EPS very different.

 In summary, other than ENSO related stuff and PNAs being similar, the other 5 indices are far different. Good luck on getting a similar result to 2017, whatever that result is.

[raindancewx]

The La Nina is almost over. The subsurface wasn't even meaningfully negative in Dec, definitely won't be in Jan. 0-300m down for 100-180W by the equator was only -0.03 in Dec, v. -1.20 in Dec 2024. It's night and day different.

https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ocean/index/heat_content_index.txt

The eastern zones of 3 and also 1.2 are much warmer than they have been in a while. The rapid transitions out of La Nina to El Nino tend to be stormy in the West and we've seen that in recent weeks/months. The record warmth out here is more tied to the North Pacific, it's more of a leftover from last winter than a direct driver from this winter. Essentially the setup is nearly identical in the background for the north pacific, and since we've had near neutral conditions in the tropics, not a whole lot has changed. Once we get in Feb/Mar/Apr the subsurface warming will either peak and reverse or continue and that will shake up the pattern.

 

 

[brooklynwx99]

can’t remember the last time we’ve seen subsidence like this over the MC… straight up P8 forcing late month

[GaWx]

3 minutes ago, raindancewx said:

The La Nina is almost over. The subsurface wasn't even meaningfully negative in Dec, definitely won't be in Jan. 0-300m down for 100-180W by the equator was only -0.03 in Dec, v. -1.20 in Dec 2024. It's night and day different.

https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ocean/index/heat_content_index.txt

The eastern zones of 3 and also 1.2 are much warmer than they have been in a while. The rapid transitions out of La Nina to El Nino tend to be stormy in the West and we've seen that in recent weeks/months. The record warmth out here is more tied to the North Pacific, it's more of a leftover from last winter than a direct driver from this winter. Essentially the setup is nearly identical in the background for the north pacific, and since we've had near neutral conditions in the tropics, not a whole lot has changed. Once we get in Feb/Mar/Apr the subsurface warming will either peak and reverse or continue and that will shake up the pattern.

 

 

OHC continues to rise rapidly:

[snowman19]

15 minutes ago, GaWx said:

 
Comparisons of indices Jan ‘26 to Jan ‘17

1. Jan of 2017 was also at this time in phase 6. But that’s where the similarities end as 2017’s phase 6 was much shorter (lasted <2 days) and it sped all the way around to phase 3 by late month! It may just get to 8 at about the same time. So, MJO starting off similar but ending totally different.

 

2. PNA similar through Jan 21st but then 2017 went back to +PNA. We’ll see whether 2026 does that.

3. Strong +AO 2017 vs strong -AO 2026. So, AO patterns are opposites.

4. 2017 had a +NAO 1/7-18, but then it turned to a moderate -NAO 1/20-6 before rising to neutral late. 2026: -NAO til today and forecasted to head to weak +NAO for a week+. So, NAOs very different.

5. 2017 had -WPO-EPO most of first 1/2 and then +WPO/+EPO 2nd half vs 2026 having some +WPO/+EPO that’s now turning to -WPO/-EPO, which should last for awhile. So, WPO and EPS very different.

 In summary, other than ENSO related stuff and PNAs being similar, the other 5 indices are far different. Good luck on getting a similar result to 2017, whatever that result is.

I guess maybe you missed the part where I was only speaking in terms of ENSO, not any of the other stuff you mentioned?

@GaWx Ummm no, that is not what I was implying at all. I’ll say it again, I was speaking only of the ENSO evolution

[GaWx]

3 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

I guess maybe you missed the part where I was only speaking in terms of ENSO, not any of the other stuff you mentioned?

Are you implying that 2026 will probably be similar to 2017 for the rest of winter in the E US?

[GaWx]

 This 6-10 is a beaut from my perspective!

[donsutherland1]

Beware of the latest ill-informed Social Media hype:

No "big" snowstorm is likely for the Northeast during January 15-16. Key factors argue against it:

1) The AO-/PNA+ pattern is just getting established. The trough is not likely to be sufficiently sharp.

2) There are numerous areas of vorticity competing with one another. The probability that the various areas of vorticity will develop into a single consolidated low that takes an ideal track for a classic NE snowstorm is low. Notice that only the operational GFS was shown. Moreover, large splashes of color on vorticity maps don't always translate into surface potential. There's a lot involved for the upper levels and surface to become aligned.

3) The realistic scenarios have been available for some time, even as the exact solution cannot yet be pinned down. During the 1/11 0z EPS cycle, a single ensemble member had 6"+ snow (none had 10"+) and during the 1/11 12z EPS cycle, no ensemble members had 6"+ snowfall in New York City. For Boston, the figures were 6 and 4 members respectively. Bottom line: the probability of a significant NE snowstorm is low; the probability of a major NE snowstorm is extremely low.

What's far more likely than a big snowstorm is the idea that there will be periods of precipitation that transition to periods of snow, as some areas could start as light rain. A light accumulation is plausible in the New York City area. Details are uncertain, but a 1"-3"/2"-4" type snowfall would be vastly more likely than a 6"+ one. Southeast New England has a better chance of seeing a moderate accumulation. Even if some areas of 6" or above snows develop over a portion of SE New England, the areal coverage of such amounts will likely be limited. By no definition will this be a classic NE snowstorm. It won't be something that would be placed in the iconic KU Northeast Snowstorms books.

Best guess from this far out: At most, maybe one of the following locations will see 6" or above snowfall during January 15-16: Baltimore, Boston, New York City, Newark, Philadelphia, Washington, DC. Most will see < 3" of snow. That's not a "big one." 

By the way, that's the same outfit that ignored the guidance and also failed to understand how a PNA- teleconnection translates downstream (SE ridge/warmth in the SE), and said that places like Atlanta would have a much colder than normal January. January 1-10 has a mean anomaly just above 12° above normal in Atlanta. Just for January 2026 to reach normal, Atlanta would need to experience its coldest January 11-31 since 1985! 

Again, as noted ad nauseum, anyone can play forecaster on social media. There, "clicks" and "views," not knowledge, skill, or accuracy are the currency of value. Entertainment value not quality of information is promoted and monetized. Hence, it's no surprise whatsover that what might become a moderate storm, if things work out (still not assured), is being hyped as a potential "big one."