CheeselandSkies Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 6 hours ago, SchaumburgStormer said: Was CRUSHED with 1.7” out of that WSW Was just thinking, wasn't that storm yet another 11th hour collapse of what had been consistently modeled high-end totals? All it was was f**king cold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 6 hours ago, SchaumburgStormer said: Was CRUSHED with 1.7” out of that WSW Yeah we didn't much here either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambana Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 7 hours ago, SchaumburgStormer said: Was CRUSHED with 1.7” out of that WSW What could have been. We had 1” here, wind whipped at 50mph. Still ground blizzard conditions. Could only imagine had we got the 3-6” that was modeled paired with that wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 58 minutes ago, CheeselandSkies said: Was just thinking, wasn't that storm yet another 11th hour collapse of what had been consistently modeled high-end totals? All it was was f**king cold. Yessir!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, CheeselandSkies said: Was just thinking, wasn't that storm yet another 11th hour collapse of what had been consistently modeled high-end totals? All it was was f**king cold. It looked like a major blizzard for places as far west as this area, and then it started bumping it eastward as guidance kept delaying the bomb. Got <2" with that here as well, but the high winds/extreme cold were extremely impressive. Can't imagine how bad that would have been with 6"+ OTG. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Are you guys starting to see some buds on trees? Noticed Ontario twitter has been sharing photos of really green grass, tiny buds and some very early spring gardens trying to come to life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 49 minutes ago, mississaugasnow said: Are you guys starting to see some buds on trees? Noticed Ontario twitter has been sharing photos of really green grass, tiny buds and some very early spring gardens trying to come to life. No buds that I've seen here. Its your typical dark gray winter landcsape but without snow and with green and brown grass. Not sure how familiar you are with trees, but some trees winter buds are big, and during winter mild spells people sometimes confuse them for budding (ie magnolia trees). Not saying your wrong, just an observation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, cyclone77 said: It looked like a major blizzard for places as far west as this area, and then it started bumping it eastward as guidance kept delaying the bomb. Got <2" with that here as well, but the high winds/extreme cold were extremely impressive. Can't imagine how bad that would have been with 6"+ OTG. We had 2.4" here with blizzard conditions. More like a plains blizzard than the publics perception of blizzard = deep snow. After the wind finally calmed down Christmas Eve we picked up another 2.4" overnight which gently blanketed the drifty landscape and made for a postcard worthy Christmas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said: No buds that I've seen here. Its your typical dark gray winter landcsape but without snow and with green and brown grass. Not sure how familiar you are with trees, but some trees winter buds are big, and during winter mild spells people sometimes confuse them for budding (ie magnolia trees). Not saying your wrong, just an observation. Ya, I haven't seen any tree buds personally. The gardens on the other hand I have seen and I have seen insects out flying around. Not to often I see those end of December. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 A couple weeks ago we discussed all time low snowfall records being possibly broken. Though it still is really early are you starting to at least entertain the idea? I think Toronto ends up around 20" on the season which is well below average but not record low. Just enough events in the second half of winter to make sure we don't hit record low. Going to be interesting though. 0.5" expected NYE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, mississaugasnow said: A couple weeks ago we discussed all time low snowfall records being possibly broken. Though it still is really early are you starting to at least entertain the idea? I think Toronto ends up around 20" on the season which is well below average but not record low. Just enough events in the second half of winter to make sure we don't hit record low. Going to be interesting though. 0.5" expected NYE I say this every year at this time, and this December's pattern was about as bad as it gets, but personally I think it's way way too early to entertain. We have nearly 4 more months of measurable snow potential. I don't think it's too early to think we finish below average snowfall, or that this will definitely not be a favorite winter of anyone's lol, but wayyy too early to talk futility. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 46 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said: I say this every year at this time, and this December's pattern was about as bad as it gets, but personally I think it's way way too early to entertain. We have nearly 4 more months of measurable snow potential. I don't think it's too early to think we finish below average snowfall, or that this will definitely not be a favorite winter of anyone's lol, but wayyy too early to talk futility. When would you start to talk futility? If I remember correctly April 2016 was coming out of Nino and Toronto saw a 4” storm in early April and a few more 1” event. I believe that April was our snowiest month that winter. That December also saw almost no snow. That winter ended with around 25” with 8” coming in April. So I feel pretty good starting to talk top 5 least snowiest winter for Toronto in the next few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, mississaugasnow said: When would you start to talk futility? If I remember correctly April 2016 was coming out of Nino and Toronto saw a 4” storm in early April and a few more 1” event. I believe that April was our snowiest month that winter. That December also saw almost no snow. That winter ended with around 25” with 8” coming in April. So I feel pretty good starting to talk top 5 least snowiest winter for Toronto in the next few weeks. There's too many factors in play, but I would say to give an example, earliest I could talk futility would be late February with above average temperatures forecast for the foreseeable future and 10 inches or less of snow on the season so far. Detroit's least snowy winter on record was 12.9" in 1936-37. What is Torontos top 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 the useless cfs, posted with love for our wisconsin brethren…. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 45 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said: There's too many factors in play, but I would say to give an example, earliest I could talk futility would be late February with above average temperatures forecast for the foreseeable future and 10 inches or less of snow on the season so far. Detroit's least snowy winter on record was 12.9" in 1936-37. What is Torontos top 5? Wow 1936-37 saw about 24” (had to find that as Pearson starts a year later) 1st 2011-2012 saw 16.8” 2nd 2009-2010 saw 20.6” 3rd 1952-1953 saw 21.2” 4th 2006-2007 saw 23.7” 5th 2015-2016 25.9” (1936-37 but that wasn’t Pearson) Currently Toronto has seen 4.1” so we would need to see a pretty snowy mid January to mid April to make sure we don’t crack the top 5 this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Looking at this list and it’s pretty crazy that with records from 1937 onwards that 4 of the least snowy winters are in the last 20 years. Real rough stretch from 2006-2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 47 minutes ago, mississaugasnow said: Wow 1936-37 saw about 24” (had to find that as Pearson starts a year later) 1st 2011-2012 saw 16.8” 2nd 2009-2010 saw 20.6” 3rd 1952-1953 saw 21.2” 4th 2006-2007 saw 23.7” 5th 2015-2016 25.9” (1936-37 but that wasn’t Pearson) Currently Toronto has seen 4.1” so we would need to see a pretty snowy mid January to mid April to make sure we don’t crack the top 5 this year Detroits at 2.5". The top five lowest: 12.9" - 1936-37 13.2" - 1881-82 13.7" - 1948-49 15.2" - 1918-19 15.4" - 1965-66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 minute ago, michsnowfreak said: Detroits at 2.5". The top five lowest: 12.9" - 1936-37 13.2" - 1881-82 13.7" - 1948-49 15.2" - 1918-19 15.4" - 1965-66 So for you guys to have a bad year you really have to have a bad year lol One storm in March can make sure you don’t finish top 5. Toronto doesn’t have that luxury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Just enough distance between Detroit and Toronto to have different record low years. I think 2009-2010 you guys had an okay winter and obviously the opposite happened in 1936-1937 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said: Detroits at 2.5". The top five lowest: 12.9" - 1936-37 13.2" - 1881-82 13.7" - 1948-49 15.2" - 1918-19 15.4" - 1965-66 Toronto saw 49.6” in 1948-49 And 52” in 1965-1966 wild the difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Just now, mississaugasnow said: Just enough distance between Detroit and Toronto to have different record low years. I think 2009-2010 you guys had an okay winter and obviously the opposite happened in 1936-1937 I don't remember the specifics but I do remember how snow was for some reason. evading Toronto and Maine in 2009-2010. Detroit finished with 43.7" that winter and I had 46.1" in my backyard. Not surprised to see 2006-07 on your list because Lake effect snow really saved us here. The only noteworthy synoptic storm was the Valentine's Day storm but we ended up with more lake effect than we would normally see this far out of the belt. Detroit finished with a still low 30.3". We all know that 2011-12 sucked, but Detroit's 26.0" does not rank other than just being sucky. What's interesting about seeing 2015-16 on your list is that while Detroit did ok at 35.3", Toledo did terrible and Flint had a snowy winter. So definitely a gradient year. Lastly, 1952-53 was pretty much a disaster everywhere. At 16.6" it just missed Detroit's top 5. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, mississaugasnow said: Toronto saw 49.6” in 1948-49 And 52” in 1965-1966 wild the difference! 1948-49 was a warm snowless winter here. 13.7" Detroit, 13.6" Toledo, 14.3" Chicago. Not sure what happened in Toronto, but sounds like a lot of good luck lol. 1965-66 is actually a winter that is on many people's analog list this year. It featured a warm snowless december followed by an abrupt early-mid january turn towards bitterly cold weather which lasted into mid february. For Detroit, it was the definition of cold and dry with the only saving grace that we did manage to keep white ground throughout that month long CAD stretch while the east coast was pummeled with storms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Just now, michsnowfreak said: 1948-49 was a warm snowless winter here. 13.7" Detroit, 13.6" Toledo, 14.3" Chicago. Not sure what happened in Toronto, but sounds like a lot of good luck lol. 1965-66 is actually a winter that is on many people's analog list this year. It featured a warm snowless december followed by an abrupt early-mid january turn towards bitterly cold weather which lasted into mid february. For Detroit, it was the definition of cold and dry with the only saving grace that we did manage to keep white ground throughout that month long CAD stretch while the east coast was pummeled with storms Toronto is far enough east that I might take a look at Rochester-Albany in 48-49. Could be some inland runners? I’m excited for the second half of winter because I do think we see a turn towards more snow and cold and even if we hit top 5 least (25”) it will feel like a snowy second half 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said: 1948-49 was a warm snowless winter here. 13.7" Detroit, 13.6" Toledo, 14.3" Chicago. Not sure what happened in Toronto, but sounds like a lot of good luck lol. 1965-66 is actually a winter that is on many people's analog list this year. It featured a warm snowless december followed by an abrupt early-mid january turn towards bitterly cold weather which lasted into mid february. For Detroit, it was the definition of cold and dry with the only saving grace that we did manage to keep white ground throughout that month long CAD stretch while the east coast was pummeled with storms Rochester in 1948-1949 saw 50.9” and 103.2”in 1965-66 Albany in 1948-1949 saw 44.2” and 67.1 in 1965-66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, mississaugasnow said: Rochester in 1948-1949 saw 50.9” and 103.2”in 1965-66 Albany in 1948-1949 saw 44.2” and 67.1 in 1965-66 Very interesting. 1965-66 is not a surprise whatsoever, it was well-known that a lot of storms were hitting the East and missing my area, but I'm a bit more surprised about 1948-49. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Chicago Storm said: the useless cfs, posted with love for our wisconsin brethren… . Pretty sure he ate it and weirdly enough mittenwx showed up the same day with the same vibe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, Stebo said: Pretty sure he ate it and weirdly enough mittenwx showed up the same day with the same vibe. Yup exactly. December 23 palm guy out, December 23 mittenwx in. The new England moderators will gladly assist in removing trolls if need be, so assuming mittenwx is cromartie (Brown City, nice touch ) the leash will not be long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 14 hours ago, michsnowfreak said: Yup exactly. December 23 palm guy out, December 23 mittenwx in. The new England moderators will gladly assist in removing trolls if need be, so assuming mittenwx is cromartie (Brown City, nice touch ) the leash will not be long. He is gone, it was him. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowtie` Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 All of you winter weenies are so triggered by anyone that says the word warm. Well, guess what. Dec. is going to come in warm. Warm, warm and warm. Sweating in your sweaters all you winter weenies? Going to ban someone else that says the word warm a lot? Solidary for hardypalmguy and anyone else that says the word warm. The palm here is doing just fine. Getting so big it is larger than my biggest black background. Going to have to get creative to keep it isolated from now on. Palms in the midwest for the win. Warm, Warm and lets hope for more warm. 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Stebo said: He is gone, it was him. Nice. Funny how we knew it RIGHT away but let him post a few things to dig his own grave. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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