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10 hours ago, nwohweather said:


And I laugh at the fact your governor is telling you what you can and can’t buy at the store meanwhile I can go eat BBQ with the guys after golf league.

Hoosier, it’s not that I’m a longtime resident, it’s that I’ve experienced this entire event in South Carolina and can not relate at all to what you guys are. It might not rain gold here but hey at least we don’t have 5000 dead like Michigan. Heck we haven’t even hit 10,000 cases yet.

Which goes back to most of my posts, it’s shocking to see how scared you guys are of this and my relatives are as well. Other than working from home my life really hasn’t changed which shows just how much more effective warmer weather is at stopping the spread

South Carolina has more positive cases and deaths than Kentucky. SC also relaxed their lockdown rules much earlier. KY just started this week “opening” things up. The governor here in KY (who is a Democrat) never shut down carry out from restaurants, nor golf courses, so really not much different here than what SC had in place about a month ago. We could of played a round of golf and gone ate BBQ, too, during the “lockdown.” And it’s been a cool weather pattern here the past month. Despite the cool temperatures / dreary weather, cases have been gradually declining here, no doubt thanks to the stricter rules. So really, SC hasn’t done anything special. And who really knows how hot weather will affect the virus as most of the country has yet to experience the prolonged heat that comes with deep summer.

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12 hours ago, nwohweather said:


And I laugh at the fact your governor is telling you what you can and can’t buy at the store meanwhile I can go eat BBQ with the guys after golf league.

Hoosier, it’s not that I’m a longtime resident, it’s that I’ve experienced this entire event in South Carolina and can not relate at all to what you guys are. It might not rain gold here but hey at least we don’t have 5000 dead like Michigan. Heck we haven’t even hit 10,000 cases yet.

Which goes back to most of my posts, it’s shocking to see how scared you guys are of this and my relatives are as well. Other than working from home my life really hasn’t changed which shows just how much more effective warmer weather is at stopping the spread

I work in an international airport terminal, if I wasn't a bit concerned and scared I would have no brain. I don't want this terminal filled with people any time soon because of people like you who think this is no big deal. SC hasn't had high numbers because they are purposely not testing as many either through not enough kits or trying to keep numbers down falsely. Congrats on not having 5000 dead though, imagine if nothing was done, how many would be dead. Honestly your posts scream uneducated.

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I work in an international airport terminal, if I wasn't a bit concerned and scared I would have no brain. I don't want this terminal filled with people any time soon because of people like you who think this is no big deal. SC hasn't had high numbers because they are purposely not testing as many either through not enough kits or trying to keep numbers down falsely. Congrats on not having 5000 dead though, imagine if nothing was done, how many would be dead. Honestly your posts scream uneducated.

 

I’ve never said it’s no big deal, if anything my argument is open with social distancing. I believe we all should have to wear masks in an indoor setting, I always have mine on. But heck even Dr Fauci said today keeping everyone locked up over this can be crippling for us.

 

My opinion comes from managing millions of dollars daily and controlling costs while creating projects to become more efficient for a multi-billion dollar corporation. I’m sorry but I really don’t care to hear the opinion of meteorology grad on how our economy should stay closed.

 

I understand everyone’s concerns but if you saw what I do economically on a day to day basis you would be saying the same things, it’s the equivalent of looking at Hurricane Katrina a couple days before landfall and saying you shouldn’t evacuate.

 

Finally unfortunately I am educated, BSBA in Supply Chain Management (:

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The government has reduced the number of confirmed cases/deaths to try and make it look better. They did that in 1957 as well. There is nothing new under the sun on that one. China did it to such a level, it makes the US look honest. Governments lie so they don't look weak.

Fact is, we had meetings at my business about the SARS disease effecting Wuhan China right the first Monday after Thanksgiving. We knew it was coming and it had spread global. China had it since late last summer but hoped it would burn out like 2003. It didn't. It was a much more infectious strain. Everybody else tried to ignore it as well, partly not to look weak and then get caught with a "crying wolf" accusations after a hypothetical buildup late in 2019 which would have reduced the outbreak.

 

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3 hours ago, nwohweather said:

 

I’ve never said it’s no big deal, if anything my argument is open with social distancing. I believe we all should have to wear masks in an indoor setting, I always have mine on. But heck even Dr Fauci said today keeping everyone locked up over this can be crippling for us.

 

My opinion comes from managing millions of dollars daily and controlling costs while creating projects to become more efficient for a multi-billion dollar corporation. I’m sorry but I really don’t care to hear the opinion of meteorology grad on how our economy should stay closed.

 

I understand everyone’s concerns but if you saw what I do economically on a day to day basis you would be saying the same things, it’s the equivalent of looking at Hurricane Katrina a couple days before landfall and saying you shouldn’t evacuate.

 

Finally unfortunately I am educated, BSBA in Supply Chain Management (:

Of course (unfortunately) it’s hard to argue with what you’re saying, based on how our country is currently structured ..but my view all along is that the pandemic is exposing the toxic “every man for themselves” culture in the US, where people are pitted against each other for the sake of “the economy”, against the greater good. 
 

Sure, it leads to a greater GDP and a lot of wealth...but people and small community/local businesses shouldn’t need to make the difficult decision to risk getting sick for the sake of the economy. 
 

We must have something good come out of this pandemic, for the cohesiveness of our society and so people look out for each other and look out for the greater good. For example, paid sick leave, better value health care, paid paternal and maternal leave, etc. We must stop fighting ruthlessly against each other, and stop the idea that we must out do someone else in order to better ourselves.  The American individualist ideal is tiresome and, combined with the toxicity of technology and social media, has led us to where we are today. 

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My uncle's friend died from the virus.  55 years old and according to my uncle, no underlying health conditions.

Unfortunately it wouldn't surprise me if we get to the point where most of us know or know of someone who got seriously ill or died from it.

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6 hours ago, Hoosier said:

My uncle's friend died from the virus.  55 years old and according to my uncle, no underlying health conditions.

Unfortunately it wouldn't surprise me if we get to the point where most of us know or know of someone who got seriously ill or died from it.

I know four people who have/had it. One friend died (underlying health issues). Two others had extensive stays in icu. Both families were prepared for the worst, and both nearly didn’t make it. One is a female in her 50’s and healthy, although is/was a smoker. Covid cured her. The other is a male in his early 40’s and had no health issues. The fourth is an otherwise healthy male in his late 40’s. He simply isolated at home, and is just now back to 100% after several weeks.

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Of course (unfortunately) it’s hard to argue with what you’re saying, based on how our country is currently structured ..but my view all along is that the pandemic is exposing the toxic “every man for themselves” culture in the US, where people are pitted against each other for the sake of “the economy”, against the greater good. 
 
Sure, it leads to a greater GDP and a lot of wealth...but people and small community/local businesses shouldn’t need to make the difficult decision to risk getting sick for the sake of the economy. 
 
We must have something good come out of this pandemic, for the cohesiveness of our society and so people look out for each other and look out for the greater good. For example, paid sick leave, better value health care, paid paternal and maternal leave, etc. We must stop fighting ruthlessly against each other, and stop the idea that we must out do someone else in order to better ourselves.  The American individualist ideal is tiresome and, combined with the toxicity of technology and social media, has led us to where we are today. 

Unfortunately companies don’t work like this. We pulled our entire business services (ex. things like accounts payable) from Canada due to their high regulations and what not to relocate some into Mississippi and most into the country of Colombia. Now I completely understand raising tax rates on the wealthy as they’re mostly anchored to a nation, but regulations are tough because companies are smart and can work around them.

Multinational companies run things anymore, not countries, so while I’d agree that some of those safety nets would be nice, large companies will simply go where the labor is cheaper and capable, net more money, and beat up the competition that isn’t doing so.
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Unfortunately companies don’t work like this. We pulled our entire business services (ex. things like accounts payable) from Canada due to their high regulations and what not to relocate some into Mississippi and most into the country of Colombia. Now I completely understand raising tax rates on the wealthy as they’re mostly anchored to a nation, but regulations are tough because companies are smart and can work around them.

Multinational companies run things anymore, not countries, so while I’d agree that some of those safety nets would be nice, large companies will simply go where the labor is cheaper and capable, net more money, and beat up the competition that isn’t doing so.

So what do we do so we aren’t left with two classes. Very poor peasants and a few rich elite?


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So what do we do so we aren’t left with two classes. Very poor peasants and a few rich elite?


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Become as self sufficient as possible. Stop participating in the consumption
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Become as self sufficient as possible. Stop participating in the consumption

Kind of hard when even if you own your home with no mortgage you have fixed utilities and taxes that will never go away. I think property taxes are one of the taxes that need to go away. Once you own it — it’s yours forever or until you sell it.


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Kind of hard when even if you own your home with no mortgage you have fixed utilities and taxes that will never go away. I think property taxes are one of the taxes that need to go away. Once you own it — it’s yours forever or until you sell it.


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Preaching to the choir on that one my man

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Daily hospitalizations went up in the week of May 17-23 after trending down prior to that.  Not a good sign, and it could mean that deaths sort of plateau if not rise sometime in June especially if we get another week or two of this.

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The only reason that the national numbers have plateaued is because New York is in decline while the rest of the country seems to be stable to increasing. 
 

well. Excluding South Carolina of course. :ph34r:

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On 5/23/2020 at 1:22 PM, Hoosier said:

My uncle's friend died from the virus.  55 years old and according to my uncle, no underlying health conditions.

Unfortunately it wouldn't surprise me if we get to the point where most of us know or know of someone who got seriously ill or died from it.

My entire county of 190,000 people has only seen 390 confirmed cased, with 26 deaths -- mostly elderly hospice patients or from nursing homes. 

I'm feeling pretty confident heading out without a mask or giving a damn one way or another. 

Our county admin is trying to reclassify our risk level with the governor due to the stats I posted above. They currently have us lumped in with metro Detroit.

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Beaches in Indiana were packed this weekend.  And I called the bolded like 2 months ago, lol

 

PORTER COUNTY, Ind. (WLS) -- Thousands of people packed the Indiana beaches Sunday and the park rangers at the Indiana Dunes National Park is expecting more of the same Monday.

"Yesterday was insane," beachgoer Chris Tsampis said. "I have not seen it like that unless it was on the 4th of July honestly."

Tsampis said he and his brother left the Porter Beach because it was just too crowded.
 
"We came on motorcycles and it was backed up four to five miles so we ended up just leaving and going to Michigan City for a bite to eat," he said. "Most of them were Illinois license plates. Makes sense. From Chicago probably."

John Pierre Anderson, a supervisory ranger of the Indiana Dunes National Park said his team expected the rush, but managing those large crowds during a pandemic was overwhelming.

"Oh my. Definitely thousands of people. Our big concern was that they just were not social distancing at all," Anderson said.

Anderson and his team do their best to remind people of the social distancing guidelines while on the beach that stretches 15 miles across the dunes state and national parks.

Rangers say dozens of cars were parked illegally because the spots were all full.
 
"It was crazy," Anderson said. "A lot of people out here. Parking lots filled by 9 a.m.

https://abc7chicago.com/illinois-coronavirus-indiana-wisconsin-beaches/6210385/

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2 hours ago, Hoosier said:

Beaches in Indiana were packed this weekend.  And I called the bolded like 2 months ago, lol

 

PORTER COUNTY, Ind. (WLS) -- Thousands of people packed the Indiana beaches Sunday and the park rangers at the Indiana Dunes National Park is expecting more of the same Monday.

"Yesterday was insane," beachgoer Chris Tsampis said. "I have not seen it like that unless it was on the 4th of July honestly."

Tsampis said he and his brother left the Porter Beach because it was just too crowded.
 
"We came on motorcycles and it was backed up four to five miles so we ended up just leaving and going to Michigan City for a bite to eat," he said. "Most of them were Illinois license plates. Makes sense. From Chicago probably."

John Pierre Anderson, a supervisory ranger of the Indiana Dunes National Park said his team expected the rush, but managing those large crowds during a pandemic was overwhelming.

"Oh my. Definitely thousands of people. Our big concern was that they just were not social distancing at all," Anderson said.

Anderson and his team do their best to remind people of the social distancing guidelines while on the beach that stretches 15 miles across the dunes state and national parks.

Rangers say dozens of cars were parked illegally because the spots were all full.
 
"It was crazy," Anderson said. "A lot of people out here. Parking lots filled by 9 a.m.

https://abc7chicago.com/illinois-coronavirus-indiana-wisconsin-beaches/6210385/

Going to be interesting how the next 4 weeks go nationwide now that most areas are opening back up (and obviously some people are giving the middle finger to wearing a mask / practicing social distancing). Hopefully, a rapid increase in new cases doesn’t come and we can start to breath easier (for now). Let’s also not forget, still so much about the virus we don’t know as it’s still so new. Now is not the time to be saying “fu*k it, I’ll take my chances because I’m bored being stuck at home.”

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13 hours ago, ovweather said:

Going to be interesting how the next 4 weeks go nationwide now that most areas are opening back up (and obviously some people are giving the middle finger to wearing a mask / practicing social distancing). Hopefully, a rapid increase in new cases doesn’t come and we can start to breath easier (for now). Let’s also not forget, still so much about the virus we don’t know as it’s still so new. Now is not the time to be saying “fu*k it, I’ll take my chances because I’m bored being stuck at home.”

Hopefully we do see an increase in cases as that means more people are getting tests. I was reading something by Nate Silver where it seems as though now we have an abundance of tests but people are not caring to do them. I mean heck if folks are politicizing and protesting against mask wearing, I can't feel as though they would be all that willing to subject to a test. If anything with all of these crazy rules I cannot see why it isn't required that all people must get a test once a month. It's concerning we seem more hellbent on keeping things closed than actually doing things to address issues (mandating a mask in all stores, mandating a test once a month)

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40 minutes ago, nwohweather said:

Hopefully we do see an increase in cases as that means more people are getting tests. I was reading something by Nate Silver where it seems as though now we have an abundance of tests but people are not caring to do them. I mean heck if folks are politicizing and protesting against mask wearing, I can't feel as though they would be all that willing to subject to a test. If anything with all of these crazy rules I cannot see why it isn't required that all people must get a test once a month. It's concerning we seem more hellbent on keeping things closed than actually doing things to address issues (mandating a mask in all stores, mandating a test once a month)

It is the people who don't want to wear a mask and don't want to take a test causing the delays in opening. They are careless egotistical assholes.

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34 minutes ago, Stebo said:

It is the people who don't want to wear a mask and don't want to take a test causing the delays in opening. They are careless egotistical assholes.

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2 hours ago, nwohweather said:

Hopefully we do see an increase in cases as that means more people are getting tests. I was reading something by Nate Silver where it seems as though now we have an abundance of tests but people are not caring to do them. I mean heck if folks are politicizing and protesting against mask wearing, I can't feel as though they would be all that willing to subject to a test. If anything with all of these crazy rules I cannot see why it isn't required that all people must get a test once a month. It's concerning we seem more hellbent on keeping things closed than actually doing things to address issues (mandating a mask in all stores, mandating a test once a month)

I agree. If wearing a mask is such a crime against the constitution as it's taking away one's freedom and liberty (as these people seem to suggest), then this thing is never going away. Indeed, these are the same people who will refuse a test and a vaccine because it is violating their freedoms. I swear, I think some of these people would rather die from the virus then be forced into complying with short-term rules. These people need to quit the whole self-entitlement bs. They're not special, nor immune to the consequences of ignoring rules.

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I agree. If wearing a mask is such a crime against the constitution as it's taking away one's freedom and liberty (as these people seem to suggest), then this thing is never going away. Indeed, these are the same people who will refuse a test and a vaccine because it is violating their freedoms. I swear, I think some of these people would rather die from the virus then be forced into complying with short-term rules. These people need to quit the whole self-entitlement bs. They're not special, nor immune to the consequences of ignoring rules.

It appears a good majority of us have simply continued on with life. We are not special.

Find love in your heart my man. We are all free to roam this earth as we choose. Different view points and all :)
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23 minutes ago, ovweather said:

I agree. If wearing a mask is such a crime against the constitution as it's taking away one's freedom and liberty (as these people seem to suggest), then this thing is never going away. Indeed, these are the same people who will refuse a test and a vaccine because it is violating their freedoms. I swear, I think some of these people would rather die from the virus then be forced into complying with short-term rules. These people need to quit the whole self-entitlement bs. They're not special, nor immune to the consequences of ignoring rules.

A lot of them are the older generation, who figure they'd rather live a free rest of their life than have a year or two of strict policies when they may not have that many years longer to enjoy their lives.  I understand both the high caution sentiment and the cavalier sentiment, the truth is we should be looking somewhere in between.  People should not be uptight about no masks and moderate crowds outdoors, it's indoors where people should be really concerned (especially in heavy breathing/talking environments).

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1 hour ago, King James said:


It appears a good majority of us have simply continued on with life. We are not special.

Find love in your heart my man. We are all free to roam this earth as we choose. Different view points and all :)

People can continue on with life just fine wearing a mask in public places, if need be, especially when it’s done out of common courtesy for fellow man. Even with the strict lockdowns, most people were still free. I know I was, even in my state were the governor was hung in effigy by the 3 percenters who felt slighted because of restrictions. So what, people couldn’t hit a bar, go to a movie, or travel for a few months. The horror. I really wasn’t too upset I was “inconvenienced” for a few months. Sh*t happens, life goes on. We learn from it. It’s just in today’s world some people throw hissy fits when they feel cheated in someway. We live in a country that already has many rules and laws in place to keep order and obedience. What’s a few more, like wearing a mask and getting tested, in the short-term to combat a virus we are still learning about?

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People can continue on with life just fine wearing a mask in public places, if need be, especially when it’s done out of common courtesy for fellow man. Even with the strict lockdowns, most people were still free. I know I was, even in my state were the governor was hung in effigy by the 3 percenters who felt slighted because of restrictions. So what, people couldn’t hit a bar, go to a movie, or travel for a few months. The horror. I really wasn’t too upset I was “inconvenienced” for a few months. Sh*t happens, life goes on. We learn from it. It’s just in today’s world some people throw hissy fits when they feel cheated in someway. We live in a country that already has many rules and laws in place to keep order and obedience. What’s a few more, like wearing a mask and getting tested, in the short-term to combat a virus we are still learning about?

Can’t get on board with that. But that’s okay. We are free to go our own ways. Be tolerant
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There have been 104 confirmed cases in the entire UP.  MOST of the 10 deaths(13 total up-wide) in Marquette county have been at a nursing home, as well as a good deal of the confirmed cases in general. I will wear a mask where required, but other than that I am living my life and enjoying my freedoms.  If that makes me a careless egotistical asshole, good.

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1 hour ago, King James said:


Can’t get on board with that. But that’s okay. We are free to go our own ways. Be tolerant

Tolerant, yes. But common sense also has to play a role. The past few months, as tough as its been for many, has been common sense at play. But sadly it has been made political. We are dealing with a new virus we're still not sure how many people it can infect and kill. Playing it safe is common sense. It's like going to your basement when a tornado warning is issued for your county. Your odds are pretty small that the tornado will hit your house, but what if it did and you refused to go to your basement? That lack of common sense could have cost you and your family their lives.

Yes, we have many great freedoms here in the US, freedoms we don't want to lose. But how is following the rules and wearing a face mask any different than following the rules and, for example, wearing clothes in public? How many people are protesting because they aren't free to walk around naked in public? None? Why? Because it's an established rule of society. So for anyone complaining about having to wear a face mask or get a test or a vaccine, this isn't your freedoms being taken away, this is simply how a civilized and empathetic society functions (or should).

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