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14 hours ago, Powerball said:

In the past few weeks, I have started dining in at restaurants and going to the movies again (hadn't been since the start of the pandemic last year) without a mask on. Even went to the casino a couple times and got a haircut.

That said, I do still wear masks if I'm shopping inside of a store or at the drive thru window. 

How does this even make sense ? You don't wear a mask  inside but wear a mask outside through a drive thru . LOL

State of emergency for NY is officially over per Cuomo.  Full capacity attendance at Madison Square Garden starting soon. 

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2 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

How does this even make sense ? You don't wear a mask  inside but wear a mask outside through a drive thru . LOL

State of emergency for NY is officially over per Cuomo.  Full capacity attendance at Madison Square Garden starting soon. 

But is it a matter of whether or not it makes sense? Is another person’s decision to wear a mask somewhere affecting you in any way?

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I was really surprised when I came across this info this morning, since most experts think the Covid vaccines are pretty safe overall. Dr. Robert Malone, the actual inventor of MRNA technology, doesn't feel that the MRNA vaccine benefits outweight the risks for young people. He says the government isn't being transparent about the risks, since there has been no long term study and data on the MRNA vaccines. He talked about how he and other doctors warned the FDA that Covid spike protein could travel from the injection site and cause adverse events. He says because of these spike proteins, people are going to have to be watched for autoimmune issues in the 2 to 3 years after getting vaccinated -- something that should have happened in studies, but of course wasn't done because the vaccine had to be rushed. Dr. Malone also talked about how after vaccination, lipid nanoparticles settle into the ovaries, bone marrow and lymph nodes in large concentrations. Because of that he says people are going to have to be watched for things like leukemia and lymphomas in the years after vaccination. Again, something that is supposed to be watched in animal studies and long term clinical trials, but was not done because the vaccine had to be rushed. Here are a couple links...

https://fyi.com/news/unreported/mrna-vaccine-inventor-says-the-risk-of-covid-shots-for-young-adults-outweighs-the-benefits/

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/mrna-technology-covid-vaccine-lipid-nanoparticles-accumulate-ovaries/

If this was some crazy anti vaccine doctor, I would have dismissed this right away. But this is actually the doctor that invented MRNA technology that's saying this stuff. He took the vaccine himself. It seems as if he is of the opinion that Covid is such an immediate threat to people that are older and people that have underlying conditions that the vaccine is worth the risk for those groups, but it's not worth the risk for younger healthy people due to not knowing if things like autoimmune diseases and cancer could happen in the years after vaccination. I really don't know what to think about this. It's hard to believe the MRNA vaccine could really be this much of a threat to longer term health since so many experts seem very confident that it's safe, but again this is actually the doctor that created MRNA technology that's voicing these concerns. So this really makes me wonder if the spike proteins and lipid nanoparticles could pose a threat since there are no long term studies. Interested in opinions here, especially from mattb65 since he's a doctor that we respect and has added a lot of good info to this thread here. Hopefully this is nothing to be concerned about, but I just wonder why the MRNA inventor would be so concerned about this if it wasn't a legitimate concern.

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18 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

I was really surprised when I came across this info this morning, since most experts think the Covid vaccines are pretty safe overall. Dr. Robert Malone, the actual inventor of MRNA technology, doesn't feel that the MRNA vaccine benefits outweight the risks for young people. He says the government isn't being transparent about the risks, since there has been no long term study and data on the MRNA vaccines. He talked about how he and other doctors warned the FDA that Covid spike protein could travel from the injection site and cause adverse events. He says because of these spike proteins, people are going to have to be watched for autoimmune issues in the 2 to 3 years after getting vaccinated -- something that should have happened in studies, but of course wasn't done because the vaccine had to be rushed. Dr. Malone also talked about how after vaccination, lipid nanoparticles settle into the ovaries, bone marrow and lymph nodes in large concentrations. Because of that he says people are going to have to be watched for things like leukemia and lymphomas in the years after vaccination. Again, something that is supposed to be watched in animal studies and long term clinical trials, but was not done because the vaccine had to be rushed. Here are a couple links...

https://fyi.com/news/unreported/mrna-vaccine-inventor-says-the-risk-of-covid-shots-for-young-adults-outweighs-the-benefits/

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/mrna-technology-covid-vaccine-lipid-nanoparticles-accumulate-ovaries/

If this was some crazy anti vaccine doctor, I would have dismissed this right away. But this is actually the doctor that invented MRNA technology that's saying this stuff. He took the vaccine himself. It seems as if he is of the opinion that Covid is such an immediate threat to people that are older and people that have underlying conditions that the vaccine is worth the risk for those groups, but it's not worth the risk for younger healthy people due to not knowing if things like autoimmune diseases and cancer could happen in the years after vaccination. I really don't know what to think about this. It's hard to believe the MRNA vaccine could really be this much of a threat to longer term health since so many experts seem very confident that it's safe, but again this is actually the doctor that created MRNA technology that's voicing these concerns. So this really makes me wonder if the spike proteins and lipid nanoparticles could pose a threat since there are no long term studies. Interested in opinions here, especially from mattb65 since he's a doctor that we respect and has added a lot of good info to this thread here. Hopefully this is nothing to be concerned about, but I just wonder why the MRNA inventor would be so concerned about this if it wasn't a legitimate concern.

the first like is from some conservative pseudo news site the second link is from Robert F Kennedy Jrs crazy anti vax website.   That's all you need to know.

 

Also it's been disputed if Robert Malone actually invented mRNA technology.  The only references I've seen to that have been on pseudo news sites and then it looks like Tucker Carlson picked it up.

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16 minutes ago, madwx said:

the first like is from some conservative pseudo news site the second link is from Robert F Kennedy Jrs crazy anti vax website.   That's all you need to know.

 

Also it's been disputed if Robert Malone actually invented mRNA technology.  The only references I've seen to that have been on pseudo news sites and then it looks like Tucker Carlson picked it up.

Here is Dr. Robert Malone's bio...

https://www.rwmalonemd.com/about-us

Obviously he is legit. An internationally recognized scientist.  I just wonder why he's so concerned about the vaccine. I don't care if that is an anti vaccine site. I care about whether or not his opinion on this should be taken seriously, since he is an expert in this area and created MRNA technology.

 

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55 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

I was really surprised when I came across this info this morning, since most experts think the Covid vaccines are pretty safe overall. Dr. Robert Malone, the actual inventor of MRNA technology, doesn't feel that the MRNA vaccine benefits outweight the risks for young people. He says the government isn't being transparent about the risks, since there has been no long term study and data on the MRNA vaccines. He talked about how he and other doctors warned the FDA that Covid spike protein could travel from the injection site and cause adverse events. He says because of these spike proteins, people are going to have to be watched for autoimmune issues in the 2 to 3 years after getting vaccinated -- something that should have happened in studies, but of course wasn't done because the vaccine had to be rushed. Dr. Malone also talked about how after vaccination, lipid nanoparticles settle into the ovaries, bone marrow and lymph nodes in large concentrations. Because of that he says people are going to have to be watched for things like leukemia and lymphomas in the years after vaccination. Again, something that is supposed to be watched in animal studies and long term clinical trials, but was not done because the vaccine had to be rushed. Here are a couple links...

https://fyi.com/news/unreported/mrna-vaccine-inventor-says-the-risk-of-covid-shots-for-young-adults-outweighs-the-benefits/

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/mrna-technology-covid-vaccine-lipid-nanoparticles-accumulate-ovaries/

If this was some crazy anti vaccine doctor, I would have dismissed this right away. But this is actually the doctor that invented MRNA technology that's saying this stuff. He took the vaccine himself. It seems as if he is of the opinion that Covid is such an immediate threat to people that are older and people that have underlying conditions that the vaccine is worth the risk for those groups, but it's not worth the risk for younger healthy people due to not knowing if things like autoimmune diseases and cancer could happen in the years after vaccination. I really don't know what to think about this. It's hard to believe the MRNA vaccine could really be this much of a threat to longer term health since so many experts seem very confident that it's safe, but again this is actually the doctor that created MRNA technology that's voicing these concerns. So this really makes me wonder if the spike proteins and lipid nanoparticles could pose a threat since there are no long term studies. Interested in opinions here, especially from mattb65 since he's a doctor that we respect and has added a lot of good info to this thread here. Hopefully this is nothing to be concerned about, but I just wonder why the MRNA inventor would be so concerned about this if it wasn't a legitimate concern.

Re: the second link, I pulled this statement directly from The Defender’s website:

Entrenched power centers have politicized, hijacked and openly censored science, hobbling authentic debate over critical issues including vaccines, 5G, glyphosate and other pesticides, climate change, water quality, fluoride and chronic disease.

 

need I say more?

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18 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

Here is Dr. Robert Malone's bio...

https://www.rwmalonemd.com/about-us

Obviously he is legit. An internationally recognized scientist.  I just wonder why he's so concerned about the vaccine. I don't care if that is an anti vaccine site. I care about whether or not his opinion on this should be taken seriously, since he is an expert in this area and created MRNA technology.

 

If his opinion is being promoted by a source so far into the lunatic fringe as The Defender, that says enough.

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10 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

Here is Dr. Robert Malone's bio...

https://www.rwmalonemd.com/about-us

Obviously he is legit. An internationally recognized scientist.  I just wonder why he's so concerned about the vaccine. I don't care if that is an anti vaccine site. I care about whether or not his opinion on this should be taken seriously, since he is an expert in this area and created MRNA technology.

 

That website and bio reads of someone who had a falling out with fellow researchers and now has an axe to grind.   He may have been involved in the development of mRNA technology but to claim him as the creator of it seems disingenuous.  People have been researching mRNA since the mid 70s.    

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-cytotoxic-idUSL2N2O01XP

Here is him also in a podcast episode claiming that the vaccines are cytotoxic(which they aren't).   

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Just now, TimB84 said:

If his opinion is being promoted by a source so far into the lunatic fringe as The Defender, that says enough.

That's really what I want to know. Is Dr. Robert Malone a nutcase that shouldn't be taken seriously? Hopefully that's the case, but he seems like a legitimate doctor/scientist that is internationally recognized for his work. So it's odd.

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1 minute ago, madwx said:

That website and bio reads of someone who had a falling out with fellow researchers and now has an axe to grind.   He may have been involved in the development of mRNA technology but to claim him as the creator of it seems disingenuous.  People have been researching mRNA since the mid 70s.    

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-cytotoxic-idUSL2N2O01XP

Here is him also in a podcast episode claiming that the vaccines are cytotoxic(which they aren't).   

I'm glad a couple of you guys seem convinced that he's a nutcase. Since there is no long term safety data on the vaccine, I'm certainly hoping he's way off with his concerns.

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2 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

That's really what I want to know. Is Dr. Robert Malone a nutcase that shouldn't be taken seriously? Hopefully that's the case, but he seems like a legitimate doctor/scientist that is internationally recognized for his work. So it's odd.

Haven’t had time to do much of the reading yet, but is it possible that his opinions on the matter are being taken out of context and molded to fit an agenda?

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1 minute ago, TimB84 said:

Haven’t had time to do much of the reading yet, but is it possible that his opinions on the matter are being taken out of context and molded to fit an agenda?

This is all stuff that he said in a 3 hour podcast that youtube deleted. He doesn't seem to be completely against the vaccine, since he took it himself and is only going as far as saying the benefits don't outweight the risks for healthy young people. Hopefully his concerns about spike proteins and lipid nanoparticles possibly causing longer term problems with not come true. He didn't say they WILL come true. He just says we don't know because the proper longer term studies were not done. And of course we know they couldn't be done because Covid was such an emergency.

My opinion really isn't changed. I believe the Covid vaccine benefits outweight the risks for most adults in this country, since the majority have conditions that make them vulnerable to severe Covid. But for young healthy people I'm fine with weighing the benefits and risks, and making a decision to not get vaccinated can be considered reasonable if you're at low Covid risk.

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Just now, winterwx21 said:

This is all stuff that he said in a 3 hour podcast that youtube deleted.

I know that is claim is being passed around on the internet but the link i posted above has a clip from said podcast and there is at least one more clip from that episode up on youtube.   Also it looks like the podcast that hosts it never posts full episodes on youtube, just clips, so I think that's a fake story that is being drummed up to foster the "muh views are being silenced" theory.

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7 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

This is all stuff that he said in a 3 hour podcast that youtube deleted. He doesn't seem to be completely against the vaccine, since he took it himself and is only going as far as saying the benefits don't outweight the risks for healthy young people. Hopefully his concerns about spike proteins and lipid nanoparticles possibly causing longer term problems with not come true. He didn't say they WILL come true. He just says we don't know because the proper longer term studies were not done. And of course we know they couldn't be done because Covid was such an emergency.

My opinion really isn't changed. I believe the Covid vaccine benefits outweight the risks for most adults in this country, since the majority have conditions that make them vulnerable to severe Covid. But for young healthy people I'm fine with weighing the benefits and risks, and making a decision to not get vaccinated can be considered reasonable if you're at low Covid risk.

I think it's an interesting moral argument about whether we should be using many millions of vaccine doses on kids in this country or sending those doses to countries who are way behind on vaccinating their adult population.  We alone wouldn't solve the world's problem of lagging vaccinations, but it would help. 

There is the link between the vaccines and heart inflammation in younger people, and the risk of bad outcomes from covid is less as you get younger and younger.  Who's to say there won't be a higher incidence of heart inflammation from the vaccine in kids under 12?  I know they are giving a lower dose in trial to that age group, so maybe that will make a difference or maybe it won't.  I wonder if different doses were tried in the 12-17 age group.

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58 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

Here is Dr. Robert Malone's bio...

https://www.rwmalonemd.com/about-us

Obviously he is legit. An internationally recognized scientist.  I just wonder why he's so concerned about the vaccine. I don't care if that is an anti vaccine site. I care about whether or not his opinion on this should be taken seriously, since he is an expert in this area and created MRNA technology.

 

I can personally say that my cellphone coverage has improved immensely since my 2nd dose

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29 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

I think it's an interesting moral argument about whether we should be using many millions of vaccine doses on kids in this country or sending those doses to countries who are way behind on vaccinating their adult population.  We alone wouldn't solve the world's problem of lagging vaccinations, but it would help. 

There is the link between the vaccines and heart inflammation in younger people, and the risk of bad outcomes from covid is less as you get younger and younger.  Who's to say there won't be a higher incidence of heart inflammation from the vaccine in kids under 12?  I know they are giving a lower dose in trial to that age group, so maybe that will make a difference or maybe it won't.  I wonder if different doses were tried in the 12-17 age group.

I definitely agree. We're seeing more and more heart inflammation cases. They all haven't been confirmed, but there have been over 1200 reports in the United States. This isn't an insignificant amount, and who knows if the incidence will increase or if it will be greater in even younger children. There are other countries that are only giving children 1 dose or are not giving any at all due to these heart inflammation concerns.

I certainly understand why these vaccines were rushed. It was a true emergency. But I find it disturbing that some people shame people that are choosing to not take the vaccine. There are enough safety concerns, especially due to the lack of long term study, that it can be considered reasonable to decide to not take the vaccine if you're at low covid risk. And I certainly would not dismiss the fact that the doctor (Robert Malone) that at least had a major hand in developing MRNA technology is concerned about long term safety enough that he doesn't recommend the vaccine for young people. It's obvious why health authorities and the media would want to downplay what he says, since everyone wants the pandemic overwith as soon as possible. But his concerns certainly could be valid.

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2 hours ago, winterwx21 said:

I definitely agree. We're seeing more and more heart inflammation cases. They all haven't been confirmed, but there have been over 1200 reports in the United States. This isn't an insignificant amount, and who knows if the incidence will increase or if it will be greater in even younger children. There are other countries that are only giving children 1 dose or are not giving any at all due to these heart inflammation concerns.

I certainly understand why these vaccines were rushed. It was a true emergency. But I find it disturbing that some people shame people that are choosing to not take the vaccine. There are enough safety concerns, especially due to the lack of long term study, that it can be considered reasonable to decide to not take the vaccine if you're at low covid risk. And I certainly would not dismiss the fact that the doctor (Robert Malone) that at least had a major hand in developing MRNA technology is concerned about long term safety enough that he doesn't recommend the vaccine for young people. It's obvious why health authorities and the media would want to downplay what he says, since everyone wants the pandemic overwith as soon as possible. But his concerns certainly could be valid.

I remember you saying that you were going to get vaccinated (or at least strongly leaning toward it).  Are you reconsidering now?

There's a lot of noise out there about the covid vaccines.  I think it helps to go back to the basics.  Historically, post-vaccine side effects tend to occur more on a days or weeks time scale.  Tends to be does not necessarily mean always will be, and it's true that the long term data hasn't been established because of the unfortunate circumstance of being in a public health emergency.  Without that long term data, I'd be more nervous about taking a booster, especially if a booster is going to be needed relatively soon.  Hopefully no long term problems come to light, but if something does, then it would stand to reason that it may be more of a risk if you get jabbed over and over and over again. 

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1 hour ago, Hoosier said:

I remember you saying that you were going to get vaccinated (or at least strongly leaning toward it).  Are you reconsidering now?

There's a lot of noise out there about the covid vaccines.  I think it helps to go back to the basics.  Historically, post-vaccine side effects tend to occur more on a days or weeks time scale.  Tends to be does not necessarily mean always will be, and it's true that the long term data hasn't been established because of the unfortunate circumstance of being in a public health emergency.  Without that long term data, I'd be more nervous about taking a booster, especially if a booster is going to be needed relatively soon.  Hopefully no long term problems come to light, but if something does, then it would stand to reason that it may be more of a risk if you get jabbed over and over and over again. 

I've been going back and forth on it. It's a very difficult decision. I'd say I'm leaning towards getting vaccinated this summer, in case this delta variant becomes a bigger problem in the fall. But if I get vaccinated it would probably be the J&J vaccine, since that's a more traditional type of vaccine. It's true that side effects would tend to show up in the short term, but I think it's more important to have longer term safety data on the MRNA vaccines since it is technology that hasn't been used on people before. I'm not an expert obviously, so I don't know how legitimate Dr. Robert Malone's concerns are about lipid nanoparticles possibly causing cancer several years after vaccination. I don't think I would be comfortable taking that type of vaccine unless an expert can convince me that it isn't a legitimate concern.

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 Just wait until people realize that "lipid nanoparticles" are the same thing your body produces naturally to transport lipids from your diet (in the form of lipoproteins) just with a different interior. I guess I should look at what the guy's actual argument is, but I'm very confused about how a bunch of lipids are going to make a cell divide uncontrollably. 

In other words, this guy is either a complete nutcase or -like someone else mentioned- is trying to screw with other people for another reason.

 

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About Missouri

They had their highest daily case number today since early February.  They are behind the national average in vaccinations, but still almost 40% of the state is fully vaxxed.  Combine that with prior infections and now being in summer, it's "impressive" to see rising numbers.  The deck is stacked against it in multiple ways and it still found a way to happen.  

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No matter what long-term effects the vaccine MAY have on the body in RARE cases, to me it was no-brainer to get vaccinated when staring at the short-term risk of not being vaccinated and contracting the virus, especially with the more dangerous variants spreading in our country. It's been clear for the past several weeks that almost all of the new cases are among the non-vaccinated.

Is my thinking simplistic? Maybe, but so are the arguments of the anti-vaxxers, the people who still will not get the shot because of the unknown horrible things it might do to the body, because it's all a hoax, because the government can't make me take it, because it's no worse that a cold, because...because...because.

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1 hour ago, IWXwx said:

No matter what long-term effects the vaccine MAY have on the body in RARE cases, to me it was no-brainer to get vaccinated when staring at the short-term risk of not being vaccinated and contracting the virus, especially with the more dangerous variants spreading in our country. It's been clear for the past several weeks that almost all of the new cases are among the non-vaccinated.

Is my thinking simplistic? Maybe, but so are the arguments of the anti-vaxxers, the people who still will not get the shot because of the unknown horrible things it might do to the body, because it's all a hoax, because the government can't make me take it, because it's no worse that a cold, because...because...because.

Yeah exactly, I will take my chances on a fraction of a percent of having some sort of long term impact from a vaccine over getting COVID. You know what long term impact from COVID you can get, death, and that one is quite a long term impact. :lmao:

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7 hours ago, winterwx21 said:

I've been going back and forth on it. It's a very difficult decision. I'd say I'm leaning towards getting vaccinated this summer, in case this delta variant becomes a bigger problem in the fall. But if I get vaccinated it would probably be the J&J vaccine, since that's a more traditional type of vaccine. It's true that side effects would tend to show up in the short term, but I think it's more important to have longer term safety data on the MRNA vaccines since it is technology that hasn't been used on people before. I'm not an expert obviously, so I don't know how legitimate Dr. Robert Malone's concerns are about lipid nanoparticles possibly causing cancer several years after vaccination. I don't think I would be comfortable taking that type of vaccine unless an expert can convince me that it isn't a legitimate concern.

If and when novavax gets approved in the US, I think it'll be the best fit for you based on everything you've posted. This is a really well written article about it. 

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/619276/

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https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions

Based on CDC data, Missouri has a highest percentage of Delta variant of states those data is listed. (~30% as of 6/5 so its probably dominant variant there now.). That is likely not a coincidence. No idea why it has taken a quicker foothold there. Some of that is random chance I think based on who travels when with what variant.

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7 hours ago, mattb65 said:

If and when novavax gets approved in the US, I think it'll be the best fit for you based on everything you've posted. This is a really well written article about it. 

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/619276/

That does sound good. Thank you for the information! Maybe it will be available later in the summer.

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21 hours ago, madwx said:

That website and bio reads of someone who had a falling out with fellow researchers and now has an axe to grind.   He may have been involved in the development of mRNA technology but to claim him as the creator of it seems disingenuous.  People have been researching mRNA since the mid 70s.    

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-cytotoxic-idUSL2N2O01XP

Here is him also in a podcast episode claiming that the vaccines are cytotoxic(which they aren't).   

He uses the phrase "intellectual rape" at one point on his website to describe how his research/patent was supposedly stolen from him, so he definitely has an axe to grind. At the time of this invention that was taken from him in 1988 he was a master's degree student. Having just finished my own PhD thesis in drug discovery this year, I would be very wary of anyone making as bold a claim of "I invented a whole new type of treatment" from research they did as a student. Intellectual property-wise, it would be his supervisor's and the university's invention. He certainly wasn't running the show and coming up with the ideas on his own.

Most of his peer-reviewed, Pubmed articles are actually about inserting DNA, not RNA, into mammalian cells, and basically all of those are from the 1990s. He pops back up on Pubmed around the time of Zika virus and now again with COVID, but his actual peer-reviewed articles from the past year are about using acid reflux medication (famotidine) to treat COVID. He is a modestly productive researcher (~50 published articles isn't nothing but also isn't overly impressive for a research scientist) clearly with some experience, but I wouldn't consider him any sort of authority on the COVID vaccines being used today given how far the field has progressed and given that he's 20 years removed from any nucleic acid work and 30 years removed from any mRNA work.

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40 minutes ago, cutlew said:

He uses the phrase "intellectual rape" at one point on his website to describe how his research/patent was supposedly stolen from him, so he definitely has an axe to grind. At the time of this invention that was taken from him in 1988 he was a master's degree student. Having just finished my own PhD thesis in drug discovery this year, I would be very wary of anyone making as bold a claim of "I invented a whole new type of treatment" from research they did as a student. Intellectual property-wise, it would be his supervisor's and the university's invention. He certainly wasn't running the show and coming up with the ideas on his own.

Most of his peer-reviewed, Pubmed articles are actually about inserting DNA, not RNA, into mammalian cells, and basically all of those are from the 1990s. He pops back up on Pubmed around the time of Zika virus and now again with COVID, but his actual peer-reviewed articles from the past year are about using acid reflux medication (famotidine) to treat COVID. He is a modestly productive researcher (~50 published articles isn't nothing but also isn't overly impressive for a research scientist) clearly with some experience, but I wouldn't consider him any sort of authority on the COVID vaccines being used today given how far the field has progressed and given that he's 20 years removed from any nucleic acid work and 30 years removed from any mRNA work.

Obviously you're very knowledgeable and this is very good information. Thanks for posting this. It sounds as if this guy is not a phony and has enough experience/knowledge that his opinions shouldn't be completely dismissed, but we also shouldn't be overly concerned because he's far from the top expert and could be exaggerating due to having an axe to grind.

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Obviously there has been tremendous progress with turning the tide on the pandemic in the US, but we are still averaging a few hundred deaths per day as we head into the generally less favorable time of year for spread.  There may be some months-ago backlog deaths factoring into the average, but I don't think that's playing a huge role.  Run that daily number out over the course of a year and it would be 100k deaths.  More "acceptable" than what we've seen, but let's not settle for that.  In a country of 330 million people with vaccines that aren't perfect, people will die, but we can do better. 

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