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18 minutes ago, dan11295 said:

The uptick in the UK is quite notable given the time of year (outside of when seasonal coronaviruses usually spread). One current positive sign from the UK is their 21-day lagged CFR is very low (~0.5%) which is likely indicative of most cases being among the younger populating which hasn't been vaccinated.

Not at a crazy high level by any means, but cases have recently more than doubled in the UK.

 

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C & P the entire article so people don't just see the headline and freak.  This isn't that shocking at this point as there was indication of this from Israel.  

 

Heart inflammation in young men higher than expected after Pfizer, Moderna vaccines -U.S. CDC

By Michael Erman and Manojna Maddipatla 

  (Reuters) -A higher-than-expected number of young men have experienced heart inflammation after their second dose of the mRNA COVID-19 shots from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, according to data from two vaccine safety monitoring systems, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said on Thursday. 

  The CDC and other health regulators have been investigating heart inflammation cases after Israel’s Health Ministry reported that it had found a likely link to the condition in young men who received Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine. 

The agency said it is still assessing the risk from the condition and has not yet concluded that there was a causal relationship between the vaccines and cases of myocarditis or pericarditis. 

  While some patients required hospitalization, most have fully recovered from their symptoms, the CDC said. 

  More than half of the cases reported to the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) after people had received their second dose of either the Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna vaccines were in people between the ages of 12 and 24, the CDC said. Those age groups accounted for less than 9% of doses administered. 

  "We clearly have an imbalance there," Dr. Tom Shimabukuro, deputy director of the CDC's Immunization Safety Office, said in a presentation https://www.fda.gov/media/150054/download to an advisory committee to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration meeting on Thursday. 

  The overwhelming majority of the cases have occurred within a week of vaccination, Shimabukuro said. 

  There were 283 observed cases of heart inflammation after the second vaccine dose in those aged 16 to 24 in the VAERS data. That compares with expectations of 10-to-102 cases for that age range based on U.S. population background incidence rates, the CDC said. 

  Shimabukuro said there was a predominance of males in younger age groups among the reported heart inflammation cases. 

  The median age of patients who experienced the inflammation after a second vaccine dose was 24, according to the VAERS data. Just under 80% of the cases were in men. 

  Shimabukuro also said the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) - another safety monitoring system - showed an increased incidence of heart inflammation in 16 to 39 year olds after their second shot when compared to the rate observed after the first dose. 

  Pfizer said it supports the CDC's assessment of the heart inflammation cases, noting that "the number of reports is small given the number of doses administered." 

  About 130 million people in the United States have received both doses of one of the mRNA vaccines. 

  "It is important to understand that a careful assessment of the reports is ongoing and it has not been concluded that the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines cause myocarditis or pericarditis," the company said in a statement. 

  Moderna said it also has not established a causal association with the condition and its vaccine. It said it is actively working with public health and regulatory authorities to further assess the issue. 

  The CDC said it will hold a meeting of its Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices next week to further evaluate the evidence and assess the risk of myocarditis following mRNA vaccination for COVID-19. 

  (Reporting by Michael Erman in Maplewood, N.J. and Manojna Maddipatla in Bengaluru; Editing by Bill Berkrot) 

https://news.yahoo.com/news/cdc-heart-inflammation-cases-ages-140826238.html

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On 6/9/2021 at 9:38 AM, schoeppeya said:

Have a feeling it wont end well for the hospital, considering location.

We'll see, I think the hospital is gong to win this one, the law is on their side. 

In first federal ruling on vaccine mandates, judge sides with Houston hospital, dismissing claims from staff resisters

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/7672997002

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8 hours ago, mattb65 said:

We'll see, I think the hospital is gong to win this one, the law is on their side. 

In first federal ruling on vaccine mandates, judge sides with Houston hospital, dismissing claims from staff resisters

ht://amp.usatoday.com/amp/7672997002

Although I'll admit that I haven't followed this closely, it comes down to a matter of labor law. For many years, many employees were protected under a collective bargaining agreements, a majority of which were negotiated with a labor union.  In the last 20 years or so, corporate America (including the medical field) have shoved unions aside as pro-business legislation was pushed through that neutered workers rights with at-will employment. The result is employers don't need cause to terminate employment. 

In business and politics, money talks and workers get the short stick. That being said, this is one time I fall on the side of the employer, as it constitutes a health risk to other employees and patients.

 

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2 hours ago, Stormheartgypsy said:

I'm curious how people feel (if this thread hasn't closed) about the Delta variant being the possible "new" dominant compared to the UK variant.

The more transmissible variants will always eventually become the dominant strain, it's just a matter of time.  That's just evolutionary biology, the hand wringing about each variant is a little tiresome for me tbh. More a question of how much of an impact it'll have which depends on the level of immunity present. 

We probably have more than 60% population immunity from vax and prior infection in most places which will significantly keep things contained. 

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Got Pfizer #2 this morning.  Was jabbed pretty high up on the arm this time... barely below the bone.  Actually did not feel the needle as much this time though.

 

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There was a woman who looked like she was in her 80s who was with someone, presumably her daughter.  I overheard what they were saying, and it was actually the older lady's first dose.  She was saying that she thinks she is the last one out of her group of older friends to get it.  Ya think?  :P

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29 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

We will however have to keep an eye out this fall and winter just in case there are any flare-ups

This is almost a foregone conclusion imo.  The Delta variant (which appears to be more contagious) will have had more time to get established here, combined with the seasonality component.  

Today is 2 weeks after Memorial Day.  Last year, it was about 2-3 weeks after Memorial Day that the southern surge was just in its infancy.  Obviously it's a different ballgame this year, but will be watching those states soon for any signs of plateauing or (hopefully not) rising. 

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Right before I went to bed last night (~15 hrs post-vax), I started to get some chills and just a general ill feeling, which continues today.  It's not very intense but it's enough that you know something is going on and it kept me tossing and turning much of the night.

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3 hours ago, Snownado said:

I don't understand why she asked the man to wear a mask. If this were 6 months or a year ago I would understand. But it doesn't make much sense now. Having said that, she obviously didn't deserve to be shot.

If an employee of a business tells you to do something, regardless of the reason, you comply if you want to continue to shop at that business.

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1 hour ago, TimB84 said:

If an employee of a business tells you to do something, regardless of the reason, you comply if you want to continue to shop at that business.

The thing that gets me is that the guy left the store, went back in and started shooting.  Just leave and go somewhere else if you're that upset.

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1 minute ago, Hoosier said:

The thing that gets me is that the guy left the store, went back in and started shooting.  Just leave and go somewhere else if you're that upset.

Had to go get his gun, I guess. But at that point, I’d say it unquestionably becomes premeditated first degree murder.

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I haven't  posted here but have been following over the last year. Really good information in this thread.. I have a question. Why would someone who is fully vaccinated wear a mask?  The science says you are protected especially against severe disease. Most places here in NY now have masks optional  for vaccinated people yet 9 out of 10 people I encounter still wear one inside.  Is it out of fear or overly cautious because it's definitely not about the science. It's baffling to me as I feel people do not want to get back to  some sense of normal.

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1 minute ago, binbisso said:

I haven't  posted here but have been following over the last year. Really good information in this thread.. I have a question. Why would someone who is fully vaccinated wear a mask?  The science says you are protected especially against severe disease. Most places here in NY now have masks optional  for vaccinated people yet 9 out of 10 people I encounter still wear one inside.  Is it out of fear or overly cautious because it's definitely not about the science. It's baffling to me as I feel people do not want to get back to  some sense of normal.

It’s been awfully nice not having a cold or the flu or anything else for the past 15 months. I like to think masks had something to do with that too.

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8 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

The thing that gets me is that the guy left the store, went back in and started shooting.  Just leave and go somewhere else if you're that upset.

It's unbelievable that the person chose to ruin his life and another person's life over something so trivial. Incredibly sad.

It's like these road rage incidents, these people must have barely any control over their emotions or feel nearly no value in their own life and in others' lives. 

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2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

It’s been awfully nice not having a cold or the flu or anything else for the past 15 months. I like to think masks had something to do with that too.

Yea I agree and maybe it will become a new normal. I was in Japan in 2013 and about 1 to 2% of the population wore masks. It was strange to see then. Just odd to see so many people still wearing one inside here in NY with 70% vaccinated and the lowest infection rate in the country 

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Since the Dane County mandate expired at the beginning of the month, I've stopped wearing a mask in common areas of my apartment building and other public indoor spaces where I'm just passing through (such as when I'm taking the trash to the chute or walking to/from my car in the basement garage). I'm continuing to wear them in grocery stores and other places with either a lot of people and/or I'm going to be spending an extended period of time.

I'm fully vaccinated, but people don't know that by looking at me, so I mainly do it as a courtesy and on the slight, but nonzero chance that transmission is possible from a vaccinated, asymptomatic individual.

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