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8 minutes ago, Powerball said:

Whatever data they claim to be posting from the CDC has been, as I said, used out of context by individuals in this thread.

Also, the claim someone made about 80% of people being fully vaccinated certainly didn't come from the CDC. 

He claimed if the current rate of vaccinations continues that we will reach 80% of adults in about 1.5 months which is correct plotting a linear graph from where we are now per the CDC with a daily rate of 3.1 million shots per day. 

Do you have trouble with reading comprehension and algebra? y = mx + b

You could argue instead that current rates aren't likely to continue but instead you said it's "false information". 

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3 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

:thumbsdown:

Absolute inhumane.   I thought this was fake when I first saw it. It does say "Others Sent To Safety Elsewhere", but still..

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1 hour ago, Hoosier said:

I do expect the vaccine pace to slow down some in the next month or two.  Obviously the timing on that will be important.  At this point, I don't think we'll actually see 80% of the 16+ crowd get vaccinated, unless a significant number of people were lying in the public opinion polls.  Never know I guess.

Too much reluctance by people even though there is no issues with the vaccines, so I agree that we won't see 80% either for a long time. That is a pipe dream.

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36 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Maybe you could go to large gatherings if you got one of these :ph34r:

 

https://nypost.com/2021/02/25/school-band-rehearses-in-individual-pods/

 

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Or, you can just not attend large gatherings at all like the scientists at the CDC have advised.

I know everyone'a different, but I'm not in a hurry to get in the middle of a crowd.

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26 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

:thumbsdown:

This is very wrong and a big problem. But I disagree that it’s “the inevitable consequence of vaccine passports.” That’s an extremist viewpoint from an extremist individual who sensationalizes for clicks and views. Look her up.

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But in all seriousness, I guess it’s not all that far-fetched that situations like that could happen in the United States. Based on everything that has happened throughout history, if something can be used to discriminate against people, it probably will.

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2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

But in all seriousness, I guess it’s not all that far-fetched that situations like that could happen in the United States. Based on everything that has happened throughout history, if something can be used to discriminate against people, it probably will.

Agreed. I think in our current political climate a reason to divide people even further is probably a bad idea. 

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1 hour ago, mattb65 said:

He claimed if the current rate of vaccinations continues that we will reach 80% of adults in about 1.5 months which is correct plotting a linear graph from where we are now per the CDC with a daily rate of 3.1 million shots per day...

For your information, this is the post I was referring to:

3 hours ago, schoeppeya said:

Depends what you call "much of the country". Good luck expecting people to keep wearing masks when 80% of them have been vaccinated and deaths are extremely low. 

Again, the CDC has said nothing of the sort.

Furthermore, the poster you're referring to has been moving the goal posts. This is what they originally said (and BTW, they didn't specify they were talking about people age 16+ in this post):

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A lot of people are getting them. As long as 60-70% of people get them along with prior infections we will reach herd immunity.

In any event, this is what the CDC has actually said:

1. Individuals are not fully vaccinated until they receive 2 doses.

2. Their definition of herd immunity accounts for people of *ALL* ages being *FULLY* vaccinated. 

3. The herd immunity threshold is still unknown.

I don't know what you're trying to gain from running interference for people who are not being truthful and instead seek to mislead. But just know that covering for propagandists never ends well for you. :)

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1 minute ago, schoeppeya said:

Agreed. I think in our current political climate a reason to divide people even further is probably a bad idea. 

How naive of me to forget that the human race is comprised mostly of s***heads whose main objective in life is to s*** on other people every chance they get.

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2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

How naive of me to forget that the human race is comprised mostly of s***heads whose main objective in life is to s*** on other people every chance they get.

This thread is my daily reminder. 

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10 minutes ago, Powerball said:

For your information, this is the post I was referring to:

Again, the CDC has said nothing of the sort.

Furthermore, the poster you're referring to has been moving the goal posts. This is what they originally said (and BTW, they didn't specify they were talking about people age 16+ in this post):

In any event, this is what the CDC has actually said:

1. Individuals are not fully vaccinated until they receive 2 doses.

2. Their definition of herd immunity accounts for people of *ALL* ages being *FULLY* vaccinated. 

3. The herd immunity threshold is still unknown.

I don't know what you're trying to gain from running interference for people who are not being truthful and instead seek to mislead. But just know that covering for propagandists never ends well for you. :)

You're arguing that I said "vaccinated" instead of "fully vaccinated" and therefore trying to mislead people? I know I have come after quite a few people for name calling, but arguing with a bunch of pro vax people in a Covid thread that they are not pro vax enough or claiming they are purposefully misleading people with their CDC references and cited information makes you a dipshit, and calling out reasonable people who have been very hard on people actually spreading disinformation for "covering for propagandists" makes you look like a dumbass, not the white knight you think it does. 

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13 minutes ago, Powerball said:

For your information, this is the post I was referring to:

Again, the CDC has said nothing of the sort.

Furthermore, the poster you're referring to has been moving the goal posts. This is what they originally said (and BTW, they didn't specify they were talking about people age 16+ in this post):

In any event, this is what the CDC has actually said:

1. Individuals are not fully vaccinated until they receive 2 doses.

2. Their definition of herd immunity accounts for people of *ALL* ages being *FULLY* vaccinated. 

3. The herd immunity threshold is still unknown.

I don't know what you're trying to gain from running interference for people who are not being truthful and instead seek to mislead. But just know that covering for propagandists never ends well for you. :)

I've read their posts for months and disagree that those individuals are propagandists. I don't always agree with their opinions but both offer good faith discussions. I haven't seen either purposefully mislead or spread misinformation.  

The premise of the posts you had a problem with was correct, that's why I responded. You claimed it is misinformation,  I had a proven with that.  If you read what they said in context they were writing about rates of adults getting vaccinated. 

We are a lot closer to things being  "normal" than you're willing to acknowledge. 

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Just now, schoeppeya said:

You're arguing that I said "vaccinated" instead of "fully vaccinated" and therefore trying to mislead people?

You posted that 80% of people are vaccinated.

That's not true, and most definitely misleading if you meant to say something else.

For you to claim you got that information from the CDC, who said nothing of the sort, is also dishonest.

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7 minutes ago, Powerball said:

You posted that 80% of people are vaccinated.

That's not true, and most definitely misleading if you meant to say something else.

For you to claim you got that information from the CDC, who said nothing of the sort, is also dishonest.

My 80% was in reference to this summer, because in your post I quoted, you said people were silly to expects no masks by "the summer". That' not misleading, its called you lacking reading comprehension-ironic that you were passing judgment on others for that. I got that information from @BuffaloWeather who was extrapolating data he got from the CDC. 

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37 minutes ago, mattb65 said:

...I don't always agree with their opinions...

There's a difference between having a difference of opinion, and making a proclamation as if it's a fact.

If they had said, for example:

"Based on the current vaccination numbers being reported by the CDC, I feel comfortable engaging in normal activities again."

^^^That's one thing.

But instead, when they make authoritative statements like:

"Once 60 - 70% of people are vaccinated, we'll reach herd immunity" or "80% of people are vaccinated." or "We'll be at herd immunty by the end of May."

^^^Those are problematic comments because they're factually incorrect and not backed by any scientific evidence, thus should be called out as such.

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14 minutes ago, Powerball said:

CDC chief says Michigan should ‘shut things down,’ vaccinating alone won’t stop Covid surge

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/12/covid-shutdown-cdc-chief-says-vaccinating-alone-wont-stop-michigan-covid-surge.html

Seems like both should be done. I think its silly that the US is not surging vaccines in Michigan.

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7 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

My 80% was in reference to this summer, because in your post I quoted, you said people were silly to expects no masks by "the summer".

I didn't call anyone silly. Don't put words in my mouth.

I said it was completely unrealistic, and given that *ALL* people won't even be close to *FULLY* vaccinated by the Summer, my opinion still stands that the idea we'll be maskless by the Summer is completely unrealistic. 

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7 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

Seems like both should be done. I think its silly that the US is not surging vaccines in Michigan.

The vaccines are being distributed according to population. If more are sent to Michigan, then other states would get fewer doses. Also, even if they sent more vaccines, it wouldn't do anything to stop the surge now since it takes two weeks before it provides immunity. 

That said, the Biden administration has taken other action to help with Michigan's surge in COVID cases:

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/biden-to-rush-vaccinators-to-michigan-as-gov-urges-limits/2483025/

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8 minutes ago, Powerball said:

I didn't call anyone silly. Don't put words in my mouth.

I said it was completely unrealistic, and given that *ALL* people won't even be close to *FULLY* vaccinated by the Summer, my opinion still stands that the idea we'll be maskless by the Summer is completely unrealistic. 

Saying something is "completely unrealistic" is equivalent to saying it's silly. You're arguing semantics.

See how easy it is to disagree with someone without making accusations of "pseudoscience", bad faith, and ill intentions?

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5 minutes ago, Powerball said:

The vaccines are being distributed according to population. If more are sent to Michigan, then other states would get fewer doses. Also, even if they sent more vaccines, it wouldn't do anything to stop the surge now since it takes two weeks before it provides immunity. 

That said, the Biden administration has taken other action to help with Michigan's surge in COVID cases:

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/biden-to-rush-vaccinators-to-michigan-as-gov-urges-limits/2483025/

From a public health standpoint you'll save more lives if you surge vaccines to hot spots now rather than just generally vaccinating by population. Other public health people have been suggesting it. It also takes time for NPIs to stop a surge. 

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3 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Saying something is "completely unrealistic" is equivalent to saying it's silly..

lol.

I've heard everything now.

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22 minutes ago, Powerball said:

You said I called *PEOPLE* silly, which was another lie.

Why do you insist on spreading more falsehoods and moving goal posts?

No, I said "people WERE silly", meaning people WERE unrealistic, which is the same as "it is unrealistic" or "it is silly". They're interchangeable phrases you dolt. 

Again, you came into this thread and didn't get the standing ovation you were expecting, and now you're arguing semantics in an attempt to save face but actually just embarrassing yourself further. 

Of all the buffoons that have served as the squeaky wheel in this thread, you've got to be the biggest. 

Anyways, back to your regularly scheduled "propaganda." 

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3 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

No..

Yes.

46 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

...in your post I quoted, you said people were silly...

Like I said, I didn't call anyone silly, and I don't appreciate you claiming that I did when it's not true.

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