Occasional Thoughts on Climate Change

[ChescoWx]

3 hours ago, rcostell said:

I'm referencing effects of a warming climate- not weather.  I've seen melting permafrost in Northern Norway, rapidly melting (in geologic and real time) icefields in Iceland and Alberta, Canada- rapidly melting glaciers in Switzerland and the American West and unprecedented bleaching of coal reefs in the Carribean. Northward migration of invasive plants and animals intop the interior of the Adirndacks, shortening of "ice season" on our boreal lakes in the North Country of NY and salt water intrusion into coastal cedar swamps in NJ due to sea level rise.  These things and may more are occurring.  They are irrefutable and real and measured and progressing and accelerating= verified first hand. You can choose to believe me or not- but I've answered your inquiry.   In return -  I would simply ask you to acknowledge whats going on around us as real- as that debate can no longer be supported to to the visible objective evidence and effects. The data analysis is simply court reporting on a known verdict.  I've offered a few objective evidence examples, in my own way, on this forum (Switzerland glacier collapse, as example)- whiich you seem to slough off- but you haven't been at site to know better.   Consider that good people with good data and senses (eyes, speech, memory) are seeing what is going on.  No need to push back any longer. We need some solutions.   I'm kind of done in sensibly responding to you- please consider your stance- from an objectiive evidence perspective- not opinion of others.   Thanks. 

Again no historical evidence of what happened in the Adirondacks in 1450 during those 4 straight warm decades where the average temperature in the Adirondacks increased from 50 degrees during the decade of the 1410's to 55 degrees during the 1450's etc. Of course we don't have that actual specific data - hence the problem!  Clearly where we differ is you thinking any of the above current climate change during this warming cycle is in any way scary, dangerous or puts our planet in peril. My clear view based on the data is there is nothing to be afraid of here. Plus there is absolutely nothing that has been proven that has ever shown in our history right up till today that man can do anything at all to impact the current warming cycle or oh yeah that next cooling cycle that could be right around the corner. The earth and humans as always will easily adapt no matter what mother nature throws our way. Climate change no matter the warming or cooling is far from anything any human should rate in their top 100 concerns during their lifetime. Facts over feelings folks!!

[TheClimateChanger]

 

[Typhoon Tip]

I compared denialism and reticence to accept the CC crisis to the boiling frog metaphor years and years ago. 
 

It’s social media so tfwiw but no shit  duh

https://www.instagram.com/p/DMgeuGSzP3W/?igsh=aXEwbmJicXc2NW9w

 

[LibertyBell]

10 hours ago, ChescoWx said:

Then please show us any weather event that occurred that is unprecedented and has been proven to have occurred as a result of our current warmer cycle of our typical climate change?

102 degrees on back to back days in June of this year comes to mind.

We got the monthly record and earliest ever 100 degree temperatures at JFK.

[LibertyBell]

9 hours ago, rcostell said:

I'm referencing effects of a warming climate- not weather.  I've seen melting permafrost in Northern Norway, rapidly melting (in geologic and real time) icefields in Iceland and Alberta, Canada- rapidly melting glaciers in Switzerland and the American West and unprecedented bleaching of coal reefs in the Carribean. Northward migration of invasive plants and animals intop the interior of the Adirndacks, shortening of "ice season" on our boreal lakes in the North Country of NY and salt water intrusion into coastal cedar swamps in NJ due to sea level rise.  These things and may more are occurring.  They are irrefutable and real and measured and progressing and accelerating= verified first hand. You can choose to believe me or not- but I've answered your inquiry.   In return -  I would simply ask you to acknowledge whats going on around us as real- as that debate can no longer be supported to to the visible objective evidence and effects. The data analysis is simply court reporting on a known verdict.  I've offered a few objective evidence examples, in my own way, on this forum (Switzerland glacier collapse, as example)- whiich you seem to slough off- but you haven't been at site to know better.   Consider that good people with good data and senses (eyes, speech, memory) are seeing what is going on.  No need to push back any longer. We need some solutions.   I'm kind of done in sensibly responding to you- please consider your stance- from an objectiive evidence perspective- not opinion of others.   Thanks. 

Yes, the lack of snow and ice in the Alps means a shortage of fresh water, it's truly terrible.

 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, Typhoon Tip said:

I compared denialism and reticence to accept the CC crisis to the boiling frog metaphor years and years ago. 
 

It’s social media so tfwiw but no shit  duh

https://www.instagram.com/p/DMgeuGSzP3W/?igsh=aXEwbmJicXc2NW9w

 

Even if the public did accept it wholeheartedly, I don't think any of us could make a difference, our country and our planet is run by corrupt rich oligarchs.

 

[rcostell]

6 hours ago, ChescoWx said:

Again no historical evidence of what happened in the Adirondacks in 1450 during those 4 straight warm decades where the average temperature in the Adirondacks increased from 50 degrees during the decade of the 1410's to 55 degrees during the 1450's etc. Of course we don't have that actual specific data - hence the problem!  Clearly where we differ is you thinking any of the above current climate change during this warming cycle is in any way scary, dangerous or puts our planet in peril. My clear view based on the data is there is nothing to be afraid of here. Plus there is absolutely nothing that has been proven that has ever shown in our history right up till today that man can do anything at all to impact the current warming cycle or oh yeah that next cooling cycle that could be right around the corner. The earth and humans as always will easily adapt no matter what mother nature throws our way. Climate change no matter the warming or cooling is far from anything any human should rate in their top 100 concerns during their lifetime. Facts over feelings folks!!

Your next to last sentence and prior ones are opinons, of course.  Then- read your last sentence, slowly.  Talk about contradicting yourself!  Case closed. 

[donsutherland1]

On 7/26/2025 at 9:20 PM, rcostell said:

I do, sir.  This is because I've travelled extensively around the globe and seen widepread physical objective evidence of a rapidly warming climate.  You can choose to believe that or not- but my eyes and ears and logic all agree that our climate is beginning to become dangerous for us and other species.  You don't have to leave Chester county to know the world is not flat... 

Yes. While in Iceland a few years ago, the extent of the glacial retreat was stunning. In Portland, ME there are signs all along the waterfront noting the rising sea level and QR codes to learn more. The same can be found on Boston’s waterfront. While sailing on the Gulf of Maine, the boat’s captain stated that the Gulf is among the world’s fastest warming bodies of water and that the warming is having a noticeable impact on lobsters/fish (many are shifting north to the colder Canadian waters; sharks are following them north). I decided to press the issue so that cause-and-effect would be discussed and asked why the waters are warming so fast. He correctly said climate change is responsible and that the change has been very fast. All of these developments show that the warming is real, not an artifact of statistical adjustments in temperatures.

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said:

Yes. While in Iceland a few years ago, the extent of the glacial retreat was stunning. In Portland, ME there are signs all along the waterfront noting the rising sea level and QR codes to learn more. The same can be found on Boston’s waterfront. While sailing on the Gulf of Maine, the boat’s captain stated that the Gulf is among the world’s fastest warming bodies of water and that the warming is having a noticeable impact on lobsters/fish (many are shifting north to the colder Canadian waters; sharks are following them north). I decided to press the issue so that cause-and-effect would be discussed and asked why the waters are warming so fast. He correctly said climate change is responsible and that the change has been very fast. All of these developments show that the warming is real, not an artifact of statistical adjustments in temperatures.

the so-called Maine lobsters used to be near Long Island, then they migrated north to Maine and now they have migrated even farther north into the Canadian Maritime provinces.

 

[ChescoWx]

13 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

102 degrees on back to back days in June of this year comes to mind.

We got the monthly record and earliest ever 100 degree temperatures at JFK.

Phoenixville PA-  1934 recorded 103 degrees on the 29th and 30th of June.....it has all happened before of course!

[TheClimateChanger]

JB posted this to X on Friday, so a little old. Only runs through the evening of the 23rd, but I don't have access to this real-time PRISM data - at least in a format that gives an estimated anomaly for the CONUS. At that time, we were running about 1.29F above the 1991-2020 mean, according to the PRISM analysis. Unfortunately, I'm having some trouble loading NCEI's Climate at a Glance this morning, so I don't have the exact numbers, but I think that would be close to 2.1F above the 1901-2000 average. So that would be around 10th/11th warmest July. Pretty much a statistical tie with the last two Julys.

[TheClimateChanger]

Just now, TheClimateChanger said:

JB posted this to X on Friday, so a little old. Only runs through the evening of the 23rd, but I don't have access to this real-time PRISM data - at least in a format that gives an estimated anomaly for the CONUS. At that time, we were running about 1.29F above the 1991-2020 mean, according to the PRISM analysis. Unfortunately, I'm having some trouble loading NCEI's Climate at a Glance this morning, so I don't have the exact numbers, but I think that would be close to 2.1F above the 1901-2000 average. So that would be around 10th/11th warmest July. Pretty much a statistical tie with the last two Julys.

With the ongoing heat, it wouldn't surprise me if the final tally comes in even higher.  Climate Reanalyzer has 1936 & 2021 tied at +2.6F for JJA, followed by 2022 & 2024 at +2.5F. We should be around +2.4-2.5 for June & July. A hot August could get us to #1 - just imagine the meltdowns from some of these unhinged commenters on social media. The response to Tampa's all-time record high was just ridiculous. Imagine, a new national record.

[TheClimateChanger]

15 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

With the ongoing heat, it wouldn't surprise me if the final tally comes in even higher.  Climate Reanalyzer has 1936 & 2021 tied at +2.6F for JJA, followed by 2022 & 2024 at +2.5F. We should be around +2.4-2.5 for June & July. A hot August could get us to #1 - just imagine the meltdowns from some of these unhinged commenters on social media. The response to Tampa's all-time record high was just ridiculous. Imagine, a new national record.

It would be comical reading the Bastardi spin/delusion and obsession with highlighting a few cold areas, if it wasn't such a disservice to his followers. Anyways, in the real world, a top 10 hottest summer nationally is pretty much a lock, with another top 5 finish looking likely. And we are well within striking distance of making a run at the record hot summers on 1936 & 2021. But I'm sure the media will make it so we hear another 20 times about how it's a "record cold" summer in the San Francisco Bay area (it's actually not, lol).

[Typhoon Tip]

39 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

It would be comical reading the Bastardi spin/delusion and obsession with highlighting a few cold areas, if it wasn't such a disservice to his followers. Anyways, in the real world, a top 10 hottest summer nationally is pretty much a lock, with another top 5 finish looking likely. And we are well within striking distance of making a run at the record hot summers on 1936 & 2021. But I'm sure the media will make it so we hear another 20 times about how it's a "record cold" summer in the San Francisco Bay area (it's actually not, lol).

He's likely a sell-out mole for big oil, planted in the general population as a dissent soil nutrient to improve the seeds of CC denial's growth.

I would be shocked if he wasn't getting actual monies in some way or another to be so ludicrously absurd with this patented abuse of using weather sciences 'against' the general public's ability to learn and comprehend what is actually going on...

I'm quite dubious there; he's not that uneducated and/or plain dumb to think half the shit he says is actually veracious.  He's just not.  The most logical truth is that he's gas-lighing for big fossil fuel interests.

[LibertyBell]

13 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

It would be comical reading the Bastardi spin/delusion and obsession with highlighting a few cold areas, if it wasn't such a disservice to his followers. Anyways, in the real world, a top 10 hottest summer nationally is pretty much a lock, with another top 5 finish looking likely. And we are well within striking distance of making a run at the record hot summers on 1936 & 2021. But I'm sure the media will make it so we hear another 20 times about how it's a "record cold" summer in the San Francisco Bay area (it's actually not, lol).

this is much better than 2021, 2021 didn't even register on my radar.

Our hottest summer by a country mile was 2010 and this is our second hottest so far.

 

[LibertyBell]

Just now, Typhoon Tip said:

He's likely a sell-out mole for big oil, planted in the general population as a dissent soil nutrient to improve the seeds of CC denial's growth.

I would be shocked if he wasn't getting actual monies in some way or another to be so ludicrously absurd with this patent abuse of using weather sciences 'against' the general public's ability to learn and comprehend what is actually going on...

I'm quite dubious there; he's not that uneducated and/or plain dumb to think half the shit he says is actually veracious.  He's just not.  The most logical truth is that he's gas-lighing for big fossil fuel interests.

you'd think many of these people are big oil supporters but we also have a lot of people who acknowledge ACC and yet still don't want to stop using fossil fuels.  They believe the economic hit plus having to radically change their lives is more important than ACC.

[TheClimateChanger]

10 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

you'd think many of these people are big oil supporters but we also have a lot of people who acknowledge ACC and yet still don't want to stop using fossil fuels.  They believe the economic hit plus having to radically change their lives is more important than ACC.

Well, that doesn't bother me as much as lying or pretending it's not happening. Truthfully, I'm more vested in this from a scientific perspective than any political angle. I think you might have trouble convincing the residents of New Florida (i.e., the Upper Peninsula of Michigan) in 2400 AD/CE, that they were better off with 300" of snow each winter and subzero temperatures. Or the Megalopolis of Milwaukee, on the new North American Riviera, palm trees gently blowing in the breeze. Remember these places were under thousands of feet of glacial ice just 15,000 years ago!

Oh, the irony of even having "Great Lakes" in a new hothouse earth. Carved from ice just 14,000 years ago. They shouldn't even exist in that paradigm!

[Typhoon Tip]

24 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

you'd think many of these people are big oil supporters but we also have a lot of people who acknowledge ACC and yet still don't want to stop using fossil fuels.  They believe the economic hit plus having to radically change their lives is more important than ACC.

Lol ...well, there's that too.

Different subject.  I'm just sick of hearing the name "Bastard"i at all at this point after so many years of it and his unrelentingly irresponsible vomit.

He's another candidate for a general all-purpose set to ignore by society et al   - even tho such states of existence are unlikely.  It's a numbers game.  With 8.5 billion human being targets for his shit, there's going to be a sufficiently large number embedded in there that likes the taste of it no matter what -

[ChescoWx]

[rclab]

2 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Lol ...well, there's that too.

Different subject.  I'm just sick of hearing the name "Bastard"i at all at this point after so many years of it and his unrelentingly irresponsible vomit.

He's another candidate for a general all-purpose set to ignore by society et al   - even tho such states of existence are unlikely.  It's a numbers game.  With 8.5 billion human being targets for his shit, there's going to be a sufficiently large number embedded in there that likes the taste of it no matter what -

I would caution against the desire to ignore rather than the necessity to meaningfully engage. 
Playing with old sayings ….. one man’s ‘shit’ is another’s caviar and reversing it as needed.

Either way we all eventually get to eat.

Please stay well and regardless of the diet …..  engaged. As always ….

[Typhoon Tip]

37 minutes ago, rclab said:

I would caution against the desire to ignore rather than the necessity to meaningfully engage. 
Playing with old sayings ….. one man’s ‘shit’ is another’s caviar and reversing it as needed.

Either way we all eventually get to eat.

Please stay well and regardless of the diet …..  engaged. As always ….

Not in this case.  sorry -

I'm not talking about some kind of fascist opinion suppressing here.  Everyone has the right to think, feel, believe whatever they want. 

The presumption that everyone is entitled to an opinion as actually being heard?  That is entirely false.  Most particularly when the processing of exposing the failure has been iteratively and ad nauseam explained!

Being heard, much more so, seriously considered - and being worthy of time expense -  is constrained by objective reality and facts - merely because there are those that don't like, or don't understand the weight of the latter ...there is no intrinsic logic or right therein to have their opinions matter. 

Brian Cox, renowned physicist/philosopher roundly put it eloquently:  " The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstratively nonsense. "

he's damned right!

 

 

 

[rclab]

4 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Not in this case.  sorry -

I'm not talking about some kind of fascist opinion suppressing here.  Everyone has the right to think, feel, believe whatever they want. 

The presumption that everyone is entitled to an opinion as actually being heard?  That is entirely false.  Most particularly when the processing of exposing the failure has been iteratively and ad nauseam explained!

Being heard, much more so, seriously considered - and being worthy of time expense -  is constrained by objective reality and facts - merely because there are those that don't like, or don't understand the weight of the latter ...there is no intrinsic logic or right therein to have their opinions matter. 

Brian Cox, renowned physicist/philosopher roundly put it eloquently:  " The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstratively nonsense. "

he's damned right!

 

 

Understood and thank you for your kind response.
I have stepped into MYOBY almost every day for the last half century. The reality of the change is sadly evident.
I cannot in good conscience make fun of others for spouting what is to me demonstratively nonsense.

If the present extreme results, whether as water or heat, do not give impetus to sincere discussion, perhaps when the ocean and water table co conspire and the flooded coastal city sewer system forces erupting street waste alerts ….. perhaps then self evident reflection will, unfortunately late, settle the ‘nonsense opinion’ issue. 
As always ….

 

[LakePaste25]

3 hours ago, ChescoWx said:

Now do fossil fuel subsidies. Of course we shouldn’t because that’s politics, and so is your post. This subforum is about the science behind climate change. 

[donsutherland1]

22 minutes ago, LakePaste25 said:

Now do fossil fuel subsidies. Of course we shouldn’t because that’s politics, and so is your post. This subforum is about the science behind climate change. 

About $7 trillion per year globally. That’s probably the most subsidized industry in history.

https://www.imf.org/en/Topics/climate-change/energy-subsidies

[rcostell]

5 hours ago, ChescoWx said:

Thanks for your meaningful contribution.  We all can see that you have been reduced to heckling and peddling BS opinions, troll.   I'll follow my own advice and ignore your posts completely in the future  (like so many in the forum it seems.) Buh Bye. 

[etudiant]

2 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

About $7 trillion per year globally. That’s probably the most subsidized industry in history.

https://www.imf.org/en/Topics/climate-change/energy-subsidies

Would it not be simpler to eliminate these subsidies and help reduce out current several trilliom dollar annual deficit?

Then the partisans could duke it out free from any political constraints.