ChescoWx Posted yesterday at 05:38 PM Share Posted yesterday at 05:38 PM 3 hours ago, rcostell said: I'm referencing effects of a warming climate- not weather. I've seen melting permafrost in Northern Norway, rapidly melting (in geologic and real time) icefields in Iceland and Alberta, Canada- rapidly melting glaciers in Switzerland and the American West and unprecedented bleaching of coal reefs in the Carribean. Northward migration of invasive plants and animals intop the interior of the Adirndacks, shortening of "ice season" on our boreal lakes in the North Country of NY and salt water intrusion into coastal cedar swamps in NJ due to sea level rise. These things and may more are occurring. They are irrefutable and real and measured and progressing and accelerating= verified first hand. You can choose to believe me or not- but I've answered your inquiry. In return - I would simply ask you to acknowledge whats going on around us as real- as that debate can no longer be supported to to the visible objective evidence and effects. The data analysis is simply court reporting on a known verdict. I've offered a few objective evidence examples, in my own way, on this forum (Switzerland glacier collapse, as example)- whiich you seem to slough off- but you haven't been at site to know better. Consider that good people with good data and senses (eyes, speech, memory) are seeing what is going on. No need to push back any longer. We need some solutions. I'm kind of done in sensibly responding to you- please consider your stance- from an objectiive evidence perspective- not opinion of others. Thanks. Again no historical evidence of what happened in the Adirondacks in 1450 during those 4 straight warm decades where the average temperature in the Adirondacks increased from 50 degrees during the decade of the 1410's to 55 degrees during the 1450's etc. Of course we don't have that actual specific data - hence the problem! Clearly where we differ is you thinking any of the above current climate change during this warming cycle is in any way scary, dangerous or puts our planet in peril. My clear view based on the data is there is nothing to be afraid of here. Plus there is absolutely nothing that has been proven that has ever shown in our history right up till today that man can do anything at all to impact the current warming cycle or oh yeah that next cooling cycle that could be right around the corner. The earth and humans as always will easily adapt no matter what mother nature throws our way. Climate change no matter the warming or cooling is far from anything any human should rate in their top 100 concerns during their lifetime. Facts over feelings folks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago I compared denialism and reticence to accept the CC crisis to the boiling frog metaphor years and years ago. It’s social media so tfwiw but no shit duh https://www.instagram.com/p/DMgeuGSzP3W/?igsh=aXEwbmJicXc2NW9w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago 10 hours ago, ChescoWx said: Then please show us any weather event that occurred that is unprecedented and has been proven to have occurred as a result of our current warmer cycle of our typical climate change? 102 degrees on back to back days in June of this year comes to mind. We got the monthly record and earliest ever 100 degree temperatures at JFK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 9 hours ago, rcostell said: I'm referencing effects of a warming climate- not weather. I've seen melting permafrost in Northern Norway, rapidly melting (in geologic and real time) icefields in Iceland and Alberta, Canada- rapidly melting glaciers in Switzerland and the American West and unprecedented bleaching of coal reefs in the Carribean. Northward migration of invasive plants and animals intop the interior of the Adirndacks, shortening of "ice season" on our boreal lakes in the North Country of NY and salt water intrusion into coastal cedar swamps in NJ due to sea level rise. These things and may more are occurring. They are irrefutable and real and measured and progressing and accelerating= verified first hand. You can choose to believe me or not- but I've answered your inquiry. In return - I would simply ask you to acknowledge whats going on around us as real- as that debate can no longer be supported to to the visible objective evidence and effects. The data analysis is simply court reporting on a known verdict. I've offered a few objective evidence examples, in my own way, on this forum (Switzerland glacier collapse, as example)- whiich you seem to slough off- but you haven't been at site to know better. Consider that good people with good data and senses (eyes, speech, memory) are seeing what is going on. No need to push back any longer. We need some solutions. I'm kind of done in sensibly responding to you- please consider your stance- from an objectiive evidence perspective- not opinion of others. Thanks. Yes, the lack of snow and ice in the Alps means a shortage of fresh water, it's truly terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 1 hour ago, Typhoon Tip said: I compared denialism and reticence to accept the CC crisis to the boiling frog metaphor years and years ago. It’s social media so tfwiw but no shit duh https://www.instagram.com/p/DMgeuGSzP3W/?igsh=aXEwbmJicXc2NW9w Even if the public did accept it wholeheartedly, I don't think any of us could make a difference, our country and our planet is run by corrupt rich oligarchs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcostell Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 6 hours ago, ChescoWx said: Again no historical evidence of what happened in the Adirondacks in 1450 during those 4 straight warm decades where the average temperature in the Adirondacks increased from 50 degrees during the decade of the 1410's to 55 degrees during the 1450's etc. Of course we don't have that actual specific data - hence the problem! Clearly where we differ is you thinking any of the above current climate change during this warming cycle is in any way scary, dangerous or puts our planet in peril. My clear view based on the data is there is nothing to be afraid of here. Plus there is absolutely nothing that has been proven that has ever shown in our history right up till today that man can do anything at all to impact the current warming cycle or oh yeah that next cooling cycle that could be right around the corner. The earth and humans as always will easily adapt no matter what mother nature throws our way. Climate change no matter the warming or cooling is far from anything any human should rate in their top 100 concerns during their lifetime. Facts over feelings folks!! Your next to last sentence and prior ones are opinons, of course. Then- read your last sentence, slowly. Talk about contradicting yourself! Case closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted 7 hours ago Author Share Posted 7 hours ago On 7/26/2025 at 9:20 PM, rcostell said: I do, sir. This is because I've travelled extensively around the globe and seen widepread physical objective evidence of a rapidly warming climate. You can choose to believe that or not- but my eyes and ears and logic all agree that our climate is beginning to become dangerous for us and other species. You don't have to leave Chester county to know the world is not flat... Yes. While in Iceland a few years ago, the extent of the glacial retreat was stunning. In Portland, ME there are signs all along the waterfront noting the rising sea level and QR codes to learn more. The same can be found on Boston’s waterfront. While sailing on the Gulf of Maine, the boat’s captain stated that the Gulf is among the world’s fastest warming bodies of water and that the warming is having a noticeable impact on lobsters/fish (many are shifting north to the colder Canadian waters; sharks are following them north). I decided to press the issue so that cause-and-effect would be discussed and asked why the waters are warming so fast. He correctly said climate change is responsible and that the change has been very fast. All of these developments show that the warming is real, not an artifact of statistical adjustments in temperatures. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said: Yes. While in Iceland a few years ago, the extent of the glacial retreat was stunning. In Portland, ME there are signs all along the waterfront noting the rising sea level and QR codes to learn more. The same can be found on Boston’s waterfront. While sailing on the Gulf of Maine, the boat’s captain stated that the Gulf is among the world’s fastest warming bodies of water and that the warming is having a noticeable impact on lobsters/fish (many are shifting north to the colder Canadian waters; sharks are following them north). I decided to press the issue so that cause-and-effect would be discussed and asked why the waters are warming so fast. He correctly said climate change is responsible and that the change has been very fast. All of these developments show that the warming is real, not an artifact of statistical adjustments in temperatures. the so-called Maine lobsters used to be near Long Island, then they migrated north to Maine and now they have migrated even farther north into the Canadian Maritime provinces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 13 hours ago, LibertyBell said: 102 degrees on back to back days in June of this year comes to mind. We got the monthly record and earliest ever 100 degree temperatures at JFK. Phoenixville PA- 1934 recorded 103 degrees on the 29th and 30th of June.....it has all happened before of course! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago JB posted this to X on Friday, so a little old. Only runs through the evening of the 23rd, but I don't have access to this real-time PRISM data - at least in a format that gives an estimated anomaly for the CONUS. At that time, we were running about 1.29F above the 1991-2020 mean, according to the PRISM analysis. Unfortunately, I'm having some trouble loading NCEI's Climate at a Glance this morning, so I don't have the exact numbers, but I think that would be close to 2.1F above the 1901-2000 average. So that would be around 10th/11th warmest July. Pretty much a statistical tie with the last two Julys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Just now, TheClimateChanger said: JB posted this to X on Friday, so a little old. Only runs through the evening of the 23rd, but I don't have access to this real-time PRISM data - at least in a format that gives an estimated anomaly for the CONUS. At that time, we were running about 1.29F above the 1991-2020 mean, according to the PRISM analysis. Unfortunately, I'm having some trouble loading NCEI's Climate at a Glance this morning, so I don't have the exact numbers, but I think that would be close to 2.1F above the 1901-2000 average. So that would be around 10th/11th warmest July. Pretty much a statistical tie with the last two Julys. With the ongoing heat, it wouldn't surprise me if the final tally comes in even higher. Climate Reanalyzer has 1936 & 2021 tied at +2.6F for JJA, followed by 2022 & 2024 at +2.5F. We should be around +2.4-2.5 for June & July. A hot August could get us to #1 - just imagine the meltdowns from some of these unhinged commenters on social media. The response to Tampa's all-time record high was just ridiculous. Imagine, a new national record. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 15 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: With the ongoing heat, it wouldn't surprise me if the final tally comes in even higher. Climate Reanalyzer has 1936 & 2021 tied at +2.6F for JJA, followed by 2022 & 2024 at +2.5F. We should be around +2.4-2.5 for June & July. A hot August could get us to #1 - just imagine the meltdowns from some of these unhinged commenters on social media. The response to Tampa's all-time record high was just ridiculous. Imagine, a new national record. It would be comical reading the Bastardi spin/delusion and obsession with highlighting a few cold areas, if it wasn't such a disservice to his followers. Anyways, in the real world, a top 10 hottest summer nationally is pretty much a lock, with another top 5 finish looking likely. And we are well within striking distance of making a run at the record hot summers on 1936 & 2021. But I'm sure the media will make it so we hear another 20 times about how it's a "record cold" summer in the San Francisco Bay area (it's actually not, lol). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 39 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: It would be comical reading the Bastardi spin/delusion and obsession with highlighting a few cold areas, if it wasn't such a disservice to his followers. Anyways, in the real world, a top 10 hottest summer nationally is pretty much a lock, with another top 5 finish looking likely. And we are well within striking distance of making a run at the record hot summers on 1936 & 2021. But I'm sure the media will make it so we hear another 20 times about how it's a "record cold" summer in the San Francisco Bay area (it's actually not, lol). He's likely a sell-out mole for big oil, planted in the general population as a dissent soil nutrient to improve the seeds of CC denial's growth. I would be shocked if he wasn't getting actual monies in some way or another to be so ludicrously absurd with this patented abuse of using weather sciences 'against' the general public's ability to learn and comprehend what is actually going on... I'm quite dubious there; he's not that uneducated and/or plain dumb to think half the shit he says is actually veracious. He's just not. The most logical truth is that he's gas-lighing for big fossil fuel interests. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 13 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: It would be comical reading the Bastardi spin/delusion and obsession with highlighting a few cold areas, if it wasn't such a disservice to his followers. Anyways, in the real world, a top 10 hottest summer nationally is pretty much a lock, with another top 5 finish looking likely. And we are well within striking distance of making a run at the record hot summers on 1936 & 2021. But I'm sure the media will make it so we hear another 20 times about how it's a "record cold" summer in the San Francisco Bay area (it's actually not, lol). this is much better than 2021, 2021 didn't even register on my radar. Our hottest summer by a country mile was 2010 and this is our second hottest so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Just now, Typhoon Tip said: He's likely a sell-out mole for big oil, planted in the general population as a dissent soil nutrient to improve the seeds of CC denial's growth. I would be shocked if he wasn't getting actual monies in some way or another to be so ludicrously absurd with this patent abuse of using weather sciences 'against' the general public's ability to learn and comprehend what is actually going on... I'm quite dubious there; he's not that uneducated and/or plain dumb to think half the shit he says is actually veracious. He's just not. The most logical truth is that he's gas-lighing for big fossil fuel interests. you'd think many of these people are big oil supporters but we also have a lot of people who acknowledge ACC and yet still don't want to stop using fossil fuels. They believe the economic hit plus having to radically change their lives is more important than ACC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 10 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: you'd think many of these people are big oil supporters but we also have a lot of people who acknowledge ACC and yet still don't want to stop using fossil fuels. They believe the economic hit plus having to radically change their lives is more important than ACC. Well, that doesn't bother me as much as lying or pretending it's not happening. Truthfully, I'm more vested in this from a scientific perspective than any political angle. I think you might have trouble convincing the residents of New Florida (i.e., the Upper Peninsula of Michigan) in 2400 AD/CE, that they were better off with 300" of snow each winter and subzero temperatures. Or the Megalopolis of Milwaukee, on the new North American Riviera, palm trees gently blowing in the breeze. Remember these places were under thousands of feet of glacial ice just 15,000 years ago! Oh, the irony of even having "Great Lakes" in a new hothouse earth. Carved from ice just 14,000 years ago. They shouldn't even exist in that paradigm! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 24 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: you'd think many of these people are big oil supporters but we also have a lot of people who acknowledge ACC and yet still don't want to stop using fossil fuels. They believe the economic hit plus having to radically change their lives is more important than ACC. Lol ...well, there's that too. Different subject. I'm just sick of hearing the name "Bastard"i at all at this point after so many years of it and his unrelentingly irresponsible vomit. He's another candidate for a general all-purpose set to ignore by society et al - even tho such states of existence are unlikely. It's a numbers game. With 8.5 billion human being targets for his shit, there's going to be a sufficiently large number embedded in there that likes the taste of it no matter what - 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rclab Posted 26 minutes ago Share Posted 26 minutes ago 2 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said: Lol ...well, there's that too. Different subject. I'm just sick of hearing the name "Bastard"i at all at this point after so many years of it and his unrelentingly irresponsible vomit. He's another candidate for a general all-purpose set to ignore by society et al - even tho such states of existence are unlikely. It's a numbers game. With 8.5 billion human being targets for his shit, there's going to be a sufficiently large number embedded in there that likes the taste of it no matter what - I would caution against the desire to ignore rather than the necessity to meaningfully engage. Playing with old sayings ….. one man’s ‘shit’ is another’s caviar and reversing it as needed. Either way we all eventually get to eat. Please stay well and regardless of the diet ….. engaged. As always …. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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