Spring/Summer 2019 Complaint/Banter Thread

[Hoosier]

OT but I know the people killed in this plane crash.  Identities haven't been released yet but the last name is Weaver.  The dad and sons were killed.  Very sad.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/16/americas/canada-plane-crash-missing-people/index.html

[luckyweather]

OT but I know the people killed in this plane crash.  Identities haven't been released yet but the last name is Weaver.  The dad and sons were killed.  Very sad.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/16/americas/canada-plane-crash-missing-people/index.html

 

Sorry to hear that, hope their families and friends can find peace. I flew on a de havilland beaver (same as in this crash) last summer out of talkeetna Alaska, landing on the kahiltna glacier near mt Denali. Later that day that beaver crashed, and it and it’s occupants are forever entombed on the knife edge of a mountain where it crashed. It was very sobering being that close to death. The beaver is a popular bush plane but it’s my understanding it’s been out of production for quite some time. They are simple, non pressurized aircraft that are generally pretty reliable but not a lot of redundancy so if there’s a catastrophic failure the odds are poor. I’m not making any efforts to fly on one again in the future.

[luckyweather]

With the heat wave, I thought some might appreciate cooler thoughts. I just returned from a couple weeks in Colorado mountaineering. For the most part it was solid winter conditions- wore micro spikes and crampons for snowfield traverses, had to have ice axes for self arresting, and brought snowshoes but didn’t bring them when I actually needed them, would have worn them if I’d had them as postholing was a real problem in places. Climbed over a couple avalanche slides that were still 30-40’ deep with snow.

Pictured is the alpine lake ‘emma’ near the base of mt democrat, still frozen solid. The snowfield I traversed to get to here was indistinguishable from mid / late winter. This lake would be liquid and materially all of the surrounding snow would be gone by this time any other year. There is a not insignificant chance some of this snowpack will hold on into the next winter season in Colorado as snow starts to happen typically in September occasionally at this elevation and above.

[wisconsinwx]

Time for me to do a Hawkeye; the ways the convection has managed to miss us since July 2nd is comical.  I'd take a heavy thunderless rain shower right now; we're starting to need the rain...badly.  Only a trace in the last 11 days.

[UMB WX]

Nice half hr drink of water last night and all morning today.  This month is hauling ass by. Wont be long and we'll being seeing pics of snow from, Bo and Will.

 

[Hoosier]

On 7/17/2019 at 1:01 PM, Hoosier said:

OT but I know the people killed in this plane crash.  Identities haven't been released yet but the last name is Weaver.  The dad and sons were killed.  Very sad.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/16/americas/canada-plane-crash-missing-people/index.html

The names are out now.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5217557

The sons and I went to the same school.  I didn't know the older one much but I knew Matt.  I haven't seen him since high school so it would be stretching it to say friend but our social circles overlapped.  

Tragedy for the mom to have so much of the family wiped out.

[Jackstraw]

Oshkosh air show could get a little crazy this morning with pilots trying to beat any weather coming in.  If you get hot and bored today you can listen and watch some of the arrivals here.......

https://www.liveatc.net/hlisten.php?mount=kosh3

https://www.eaa.org/airventure/eaa-airventure-news-and-multimedia/eaa-airventure-webcams/~/~/~/link.aspx?_id=73424B0E16414774A6AF336DECC455B9&_z=z 

[luckyweather]

The names are out now.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5217557
The sons and I went to the same school.  I didn't know the older one much but I knew Matt.  I haven't seen him since high school so it would be stretching it to say friend but our social circles overlapped.  
Tragedy for the mom to have so much of the family wiped out.

Just came across this news of another de havilland beaver crashing in Alaska yesterday with a fatality.

https://www.homernews.com/news/1-injured-in-tutka-bay-plane-accident/?fbclid=IwAR3ZCu-K1r0otj_X9SKQffSEHe8moU1hbRkVvdNbM5C51g_eNEJcW0tnekc

[Hoosier]

I understand not living life paralyzed by fear but yeah, I'd be a little nervous to get into one of those. 

[luckyweather]

Palm Tree guy, would you be interested in going on a road trip to Minnesota with me?

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/07/19/in-minnesota-you-can-still-find-a-skiing-spot-in-a-july-heat-wave-sort-of

A field of snow has lasted into the latter half of July at Lutsen Mountains. It’s not much, but it’s still a significant amount of the fluffy stuff.

“Enough snow for a snowball fight,” said Jim Vick, Lutsen’s marketing director.

The patch on Mystery Mountain is some 20 feet in circumference and 8 feet deep and it’s slowly shrinking over the summer.

Snow in that spot lasted until the end of June last year and early July the year before, Vick said.

[Chinook]

Some international news: the latest Euro heat wave brought 108.7 to Paris and 99 to London. This broke Paris' all-time high temperature by 4 F (previous was 104.7 F). 

[cyclone77]

Well, in about 10 weeks it can snow.  

[Hoosier]

Been a little boring recently.

[wisconsinwx]

Major airport weather stations have to get their act together and strive for accuracy; MKE's weather station is always several degrees higher than surrounding ones on offshore warm days like yesterday and today.  Both days they hit 90F, but Timmerman and Waukesha, the closest local ones, were both in the mid 80s.  Meanwhile ORD was generally lower than the weather stations around them, which I find odd as others have mentioned.  As a weather geek, it kind of irks me that we can't trust major local airport weather stations as accurate imo.

[michsnowfreak]

13 hours ago, wisconsinwx said:

Major airport weather stations have to get their act together and strive for accuracy; MKE's weather station is always several degrees higher than surrounding ones on offshore warm days like yesterday and today.  Both days they hit 90F, but Timmerman and Waukesha, the closest local ones, were both in the mid 80s.  Meanwhile ORD was generally lower than the weather stations around them, which I find odd as others have mentioned.  As a weather geek, it kind of irks me that we can't trust major local airport weather stations as accurate imo.

I have complained multiple times about Detroit having the same issue that you describe in Milwaukee. It seems it's not a problem with the thermometer themself, but rather the immediate area/environment surrounding the station, as well as exact station location. The thermometer itself is probably accurate, but i admit it irks me when tenths of degrees are so important for certain things, but official climate records are VERY subject to changes from past years due to asos placement.

[michsnowfreak]

On 7/26/2019 at 2:32 PM, Chinook said:

Some international news: the latest Euro heat wave brought 108.7 to Paris and 99 to London. This broke Paris' all-time high temperature by 4 F (previous was 104.7 F). 

The Europe heatwave is something. Also, a huge summer cold snap is going on in Russia.

[wisconsinwx]

On ‎7‎/‎29‎/‎2019 at 2:02 PM, michsnowfreak said:

I have complained multiple times about Detroit having the same issue that you describe in Milwaukee. It seems it's not a problem with the thermometer themself, but rather the immediate area/environment surrounding the station, as well as exact station location. The thermometer itself is probably accurate, but i admit it irks me when tenths of degrees are so important for certain things, but official climate records are VERY subject to changes from past years due to asos placement.

I see DTW recorded two 90F days consecutively this latest warm period as well, probably intrahour.  In Milwaukee I don't know if it's the urban location, I always thought either the direction it was facing (I'm leaning towards east because it always seems to heat up quickly in the morning) or being on the tarmac.  A local met said it was not on the tarmac, but I'm still not convinced it produces an accurate reading for the local area.

[luckyweather]

Skilling posted a thorough Facebook post yesterday on the upcoming -nao and corresponding cooler temps as August arrives.

 

 

 

[michsnowfreak]

On 7/30/2019 at 9:09 PM, wisconsinwx said:

I see DTW recorded two 90F days consecutively this latest warm period as well, probably intrahour.  In Milwaukee I don't know if it's the urban location, I always thought either the direction it was facing (I'm leaning towards east because it always seems to heat up quickly in the morning) or being on the tarmac.  A local met said it was not on the tarmac, but I'm still not convinced it produces an accurate reading for the local area.

Yes they did. And unlike Milwaukee, DTW is not located in the urban core, rather it is an outlying area.  Actually near the airport is a sort of rural area, and the South end of the airport valleys so temperatures get much colder, especially at night. On February 20, 2015 when DTW officially had -13ﾟ, when I drove by that spot on the South side of my car registered -22ﾟ. I would not want the thermometer located there either, because thats sort of unfairly low, but I too am convinced that the current placement of the thermometer is causing readings to be a bit elevated compared to surrounding areas.

[beavis1729]

A nice tribute to Amy Seeley, from NWS LOT:

https://www.weather.gov/lot/AmySeeleyTribute

 

[Hoosier]

1 hour ago, beavis1729 said:

A nice tribute to Amy Seeley, from NWS LOT:

https://www.weather.gov/lot/AmySeeleyTribute

 

Definitely a familiar name.  Such a shame.  My condolences to Amy's family, friends and everyone at LOT.  

[beavis1729]

2 hours ago, Hoosier said:

Definitely a familiar name.  Such a shame.  My condolences to Amy's family, friends and everyone at LOT.  

I echo that. 

[King James]

Picked up a breeze around 3pm - it’s wonderful. Humidity is gone

[beavis1729]

Not in our area...but all-time record high temps are possible in western TX today.  From NWS Midland:

Let`s cut to the chase this morning - it`s going to be extremely,
dangerously hot today. An Excessive Heat Warning remains in effect
for the entire area, with the exception of only northern Lea
county, the mountains of West Texas and Southeast New Mexico, and
the Presidio Valley, where Heat Advisories are in effect.
Temperatures this afternoon will soar into the 100s areawide (you
won`t even be able to get away from the heat in the mountains
today), and records are expected to fall. Yesterday, Midland set a
new record high temperature for the month of August of 108
degrees, and today`s forecast high of 113 would easily top that,
as well as be the hottest temperature we`ve ever had this late in
the calendar year. For a little perspective, if we hit 113 today,
it`ll be Midland`s third hottest day on record, beaten only by
June 27th and June 28th 1994 (116 degrees and 114 degrees,
respectively). We cannot stress enough how dangerous today`s heat
will be, and encourage everyone to follow heat safety rules, and
be cognizant of the symptoms and dangers of heat related illness.

Per this morning`s water vapor imagery, an elongated ridge of
high pressure remains anchored over the region, with a deepening
trough extending from the Upper Midwest to the central Gulf Coast.
An 850hpa thermal ridge will help drive temperatures up this
afternoon, with latest guidance indicating 850hpa temperatures of
around +33C to nearly +37C by later today. The NAM and GFS came in
closer to the warmer ECMWF guidance for temperatures aloft,
though at the surface, per Sunday`s verification, guidance has
continued to under-forecast high temperatures. Have continued to
lean toward the warmer ECMWF guidance, with deep mixing expected
to yield surface temperatures this afternoon of 105-115 degrees
across lower elevations, and 100-105 degrees across the higher
terrain.

[Hoosier]

Imagine if we had +37C 850 mb temps in our area.  Probably impossible though. 

[beavis1729]

5 hours ago, Hoosier said:

Imagine if we had +37C 850 mb temps in our area.  Probably impossible though. 

Yeah...  

Midland TX (MAF) is up to 112, which is a new August monthly high.  Records go back to 1930.  The old August monthly high was 108, and the daily record high was 103 (!).  There have only been two higher temps on record:  116 on 6/27/1994, and 114 on 6/28/1994. 

Edit: MAF hit 113.

[Hoosier]

21 minutes ago, beavis1729 said:

Yeah...  

Midland TX (MAF) is up to 112, which is a new August monthly high.  Records go back to 1930.  The old August monthly high was 108, and the daily record high was 103 (!).  There have only been two higher temps on record:  116 on 6/27/1994, and 114 on 6/28/1994. 

Impressive to beat the records by that much.

Yeah, I don't think 850's can get much above 30C once you get east of the Mississippi or so, and even that is really rare.  I know ILX had an ob of 30C back in 2012.

[beavis1729]

Phoenix is 92/66 at 6:00 AM local time...yuck.

The high yesterday was 107, with a min of 88.

[Stebo]

On 8/26/2019 at 2:42 PM, Hoosier said:

Imagine if we had +37C 850 mb temps in our area.  Probably impossible though. 

If we did someone in the plains would have an 850mb temp over 45c.

[Hoosier]

36 minutes ago, Stebo said:

If we did someone in the plains would have an 850mb temp over 45c.

Boy I really wish we had RAOBs from the Dust Bowl years.  But I have gone back and looked at reanalysis from some of those hottest days and they generally had mid-upper 20C 850 mb temps advecting into the region, which with good mixing and pronounced drought conditions would've enabled those 105-110+ type readings.