EastKnox Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said: It has always been like this, the same things happen with any other weather event especially snowstorms. I wish people understood all the possibilities instead of jumping on the most extreme one and going along with it. Yeah if you ride the hype train, then anything less than a 10 will feel lackluster, which is extremely dangerous because then people let their guard down. You don't need a worse case scenario to get a lot of damage. This is true, but we can't stick our heads in the sand and ignore the flip side - why do people let there guard down? Is it because they evacuated the last storm or two or three and the forecasts were wrong? Do they get desensitized to the hype and then swing too far the other direction? When there is a mandatory evacuation, people lose time at work and then incur the burden of the cost of the evacuation. Most families can't afford it, but make it happen because the government says so. When the storm is over and it wasn't a near miss, but a huge miss, people second guess the next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akeem the African Dream Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 26 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said: Oh wow snow in the mountains, crazy. 13 minutes ago, cptcatz said: Wow 1-2 feet of snow in the interior mountains of West Virginia and Kentucky. Must have been traumatizing for the tens of people who live there to deal with snow amounts which they are perfectly accustomed to. 5 people died as a result of the snow. i wonder if the family members of those who lost their lives were traumatized. you are downplaying sandy https://www-m.cnn.com/2012/10/31/us/sandy-west-virginia/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of leroy Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 58 minutes ago, EastKnox said: This is true, but we can't stick our heads in the sand and ignore the flip side - why do people let there guard down? Is it because they evacuated the last storm or two or three and the forecasts were wrong? Do they get desensitized to the hype and then swing too far the other direction? When there is a mandatory evacuation, people lose time at work and then incur the burden of the cost of the evacuation. Most families can't afford it, but make it happen because the government says so. When the storm is over and it wasn't a near miss, but a huge miss, people second guess the next time. I think the reasoning for not evacuating is different depending on who you are talking about. If you can afford to live in a beach house on a barrier island, you probably can afford to evacuate. You may not because you’re just dumb. Then you have the people drinking the dont ever trust the fake news media kool aid being served up by you know who... Then you have the people who have been boy who cried wolf before and won’t evacuate. Finally, you have poor folks who can’t do it even if they tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazwoper Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, EastKnox said: This is true, but we can't stick our heads in the sand and ignore the flip side - why do people let there guard down? Is it because they evacuated the last storm or two or three and the forecasts were wrong? Do they get desensitized to the hype and then swing too far the other direction? When there is a mandatory evacuation, people lose time at work and then incur the burden of the cost of the evacuation. Most families can't afford it, but make it happen because the government says so. When the storm is over and it wasn't a near miss, but a huge miss, people second guess the next time. Are you saying this was a huge miss? We have people in surge areas needing to be evacuated from their attics....from their ATTICS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of leroy Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 If your hurricane causes snow i really can’t say anything meteorlogically positive about it. It clearly was some transitioning poop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo radley Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Lol this thread has devolved into trolling and overreacting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of leroy Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 Just now, hazwoper said: Are you saying this was a huge miss? We have people in surge areas needing to be evacuated from their attics....from their ATTICS! There could have been even more people needing evacuated. People forget what a real major is like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Just now, Wmsptwx said: Lol this thread has devolved into trolling and overreacting.... i tried -- its above my pay grade now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPITSnow Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Just now, Wmsptwx said: Lol this thread has devolved into trolling and overreacting.... I mean this in a very friendly way...if you think people are overreacting, the people are REALLY overreacting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazwoper Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Just now, mappy said: i tried -- its above my pay grade now. meh, its a banter thread.... I want to go back to posting pics of Sandra Dee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo radley Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Mappy you did fine....and akeem has been hilarious...others just dumb and dangerous statements. We should let volunteers risking lives in boats decide how bad it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPITSnow Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, hazwoper said: meh, its a banter thread.... I want to go back to posting pics of Sandra Dee Yeah, but this has gone totally off the rails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastKnox Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, hazwoper said: Are you saying this was a huge miss? We have people in surge areas needing to be evacuated from their attics....from their ATTICS! No, not saying this was a miss, I'm referring to the situation that causes people to question evacuating in the future. I'm just asking folks to acknowledge that needless evacuations end up hurting too. They cause distrust in those making the evacuation decision and may ultimately save lives in this storm and cost them in another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazwoper Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 1 minute ago, EastKnox said: No, not saying this was a miss, I'm referring to the situation that causes people to question evacuating in the future. I'm just asking folks to acknowledge that needless evacuations end up hurting too. They cause distrust in those making the evacuation decision and may ultimately save lives in this storm and cost them in another. They shouldn't.... in the end they are based on data on hand and that is all anyone can use to make educated decisions on these types of orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo radley Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 What happened to days updates on ongoing storm were in these threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbutts Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 When the hazard is death by drowning it makes sense to err on the side of caution in terms of evacuations. The logical thing to do is to prepare for the worst, so evacuations that turn out to be unnecessary (in hindsight) will always be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 The evac thing is what it is. More people are going to end up evacuating than what's ultimately necessary in a given storm, but because of the time it takes to do it and the typical uncertainty that comes with forecasting, you have to start early and do it over a large area. Even when the forecast was for a cat 3-4 landfall, I'd say that this storm has been more about the water - surge and rain - than the winds due to the expected slow motion, and it became even more about the water when it weakened to cat 2 and then cat 1. As such, it's going to take longer than usual to fully realize the extent of damage. We still have a ways to go and there will be plenty of time for post-mortems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastKnox Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, hazwoper said: They shouldn't.... in the end they are based on data on hand and that is all anyone can use to make educated decisions on these types of orders. I'll agree there. We need better data at longer and longer lead times (for the more populous areas) to make the best decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of leroy Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, KPITSnow said: Yeah, but this has gone totally off the rails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacChump Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 1 hour ago, mattb65 said: 1 hour ago, sickofit100 said: Hello I just signed up this is my first post. I would like to thank this forum and the very knowledgable people that share their knowledge and wisdom It is because of this website I rode out hurricane Matthew and Now Hurricane Florence Iam upset about the mass hysteria the media induced in the public. My wife freaked I kept telling her calm down look at weatherwx website these guys know what they are talking about. Sure things got hectic but I survived my wife panicked and evaced. She was Just stinking hysterical Jeez! Thanks media! AGAIN A BIG VERY HEARTFELT THANK YOU TO THE PEOPLE HERE WHO WERE TELLING THE TRUTH AND NOT HYPING JUST TO SAVE FACE! KEEPING CALM AND MAKING ME FEEL SANE FOR THINK IT WAS OVERHYPED BOTH TIMES That was from the heart now this is from my fist to the people who want to ban others for so called sh*t posting because they calling the hurricanes HYPED WHATS THE MATTER WITH YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH FREE SPEECH? IF YOU DONT LIKE MOVE YOUR A** TO A COMMUNIST COUNTRY WHERE THEY DONT ALLOW FREE SPEECH. DO EVERYONE A FAVOR YOU FREAKING MINI HITLERS AND MOA'S Go HEAD CALL MY POST (THE D*MN TRUTH) A **** POST AND DONT WORRY YOU THIS WILL BE MY LAST POST AS I REALLY ONLY WANTED TO EXPRESS my gratitude to the ones that deserve. Solid first post, dude. Few tips - lay off capslock, makes you look uneducated/angry/weird. Also, the political stuff is even weirder. This is a private message board, the owners have every right to control the content. This also goes back to point one (looking uneducated) because you show that you don't really understand the constitution. Where do you live? i read the from the heart part in napoleon dynamite's voice and the from the fist part in sam kinison's and it absolutely slayed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of leroy Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 OG mac f'n chump. whats up dude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 53 minutes ago, the ghost of leroy said: If your hurricane causes snow i really can’t say anything meteorlogically positive about it. It clearly was some transitioning poop. There was a true tropical hurricane that produced feet of snow in the Catskills in the 1800s. It’s possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of leroy Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 1 minute ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: There was a true tropical hurricane that produced feet of snow in the Catskills in the 1800s. It’s possible sounds like your type of storm. i'm sticking to my guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacChump Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, the ghost of leroy said: OG mac f'n chump. whats up dude? bust of the century drew me in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Ghost of Leroy is right. You can't really get snow from a tropical system unless it is transitioning away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of leroy Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 Just now, Hoosier said: Ghost of Leroy is right. this post should be pinned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, Hoosier said: Ghost of Leroy is right. You can't really get snow from a tropical system unless it is transitioning away from that. That’s kind of the whole point though. Most storms heading above 40 north are transitioning (there are exceptions think Bob). It was still an entity originating in the tropics that caused the snow above 2k in the Catskills. The storm occurred in the 1800s during a slightly different climate so we will never know the true Synoptics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 two confirmed dead in wilmington after being trapped under a collapsed home, with tree damage. but def minimal stuff going on there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of leroy Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 1 minute ago, mappy said: two confirmed dead in wilmington after being trapped under a collapsed home, with tree damage. but def minimal stuff going on there wow, i guess we can never mention again that this underperformed. #disasterverified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 1 minute ago, the ghost of leroy said: wow, i guess we can never mention again that this underperformed. #disasterverified at least there isn't snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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