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January 2017 General Discussion


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Here is the of list of the top ten warmest Januarys in Grand Rapids. The current mean is 34.6°

1.   1.    34.2° in 1932

2       34.0° in 1933

3.       33.2 in 2006

4.       32.4 in 1894

5.       32.0° in 1990

6.       31.6° in 1906

7.       31.0° in 1934

8.       30.4° in 1989

9.       30.2° in 2002

1 0     30.0° in 1919

And in 11th place is 29.7° in 2012

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17 minutes ago, slimjim101 said:

Here is the of list of the top ten warmest Januarys in Grand Rapids. The current mean is 34.6°

1.   1.    34.2° in 1932

2       34.0° in 1933

3.       33.2 in 2006

4.       32.4 in 1894

5.       32.0° in 1990

6.       31.6° in 1906

7.       31.0° in 1934

8.       30.4° in 1989

9.       30.2° in 2002

1 0     30.0° in 1919

And in 11th place is 29.7° in 2012

So much for AGW arguments - 6 of those go way back before anyone even thought it up. Just sayin..

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3 hours ago, slimjim101 said:

Here is the of list of the top ten warmest Januarys in Grand Rapids. The current mean is 34.6°

1.   1.    34.2° in 1932

2       34.0° in 1933

3.       33.2 in 2006

4.       32.4 in 1894

5.       32.0° in 1990

6.       31.6° in 1906

7.       31.0° in 1934

8.       30.4° in 1989

9.       30.2° in 2002

1 0     30.0° in 1919

And in 11th place is 29.7° in 2012

It's probably possible to figure it out now based on forecasts, but I'd say somewhere near 31F is likely. Top 10, but zero chance of 1st.

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On 1/23/2017 at 10:44 AM, weatherbo said:

low of 33.  31 degrees above the average.  just incredible. Day 5 of fog, drizzle.  I think I'm depressed.

The worst part is that this hit during the usual peak of winter. I consider Jan 15th through the 25th to be the coldest 10 day period of the winter and it very likely will be the warmest 10 day period.

 

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5 minutes ago, Jonger said:

The worst part is that this hit during the usual peak of winter. I consider Jan 15th through the 25th to be the coldest 10 day period of the winter and it very likely will be the warmest 10 day period.

 

And an astonishing 11 days with no snow here, which might not seem like a big deal to most, but it snows here daily most of the Winter. 

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18 minutes ago, hawkeye_wx said:

Here in Iowa we call that an active pattern :)

haha :D  I know...  I must sound like a spoiled brat but this has been a pretty rare event the past 11 days or so for the Upper Peninsula.  I bet there was a record broken somewhere up here for the longest stretch of being 33 and foggy

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6 hours ago, RogueWaves said:

So much for AGW arguments - 6 of those go way back before anyone even thought it up. Just sayin..

5 have occurred in the last 27 years... records go back to at least to 1894 for Grand Rapids. What you are "sayin" is a bunch of nonsense.

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11 minutes ago, Stebo said:

5 have occurred in the last 27 years... records go back to at least to 1894 for Grand Rapids. What you are "sayin" is a bunch of nonsense.

Rogue shouldnt have brought up agw, as this is not the forum for it, but he certainly has a point regarding warm Jan's. Some of our most impressive Jan warm spells did come long ago.

 

Detroits records go to 1874, and 14 of the top 20 warmest Jan's are 1953 and earlier.

01.) 36.7F - 1880

01.) 36.7F - 1932

03.) 35.3F - 2006

04.) 34.7F - 1933

05.) 33.6F - 1906

06.) 33.5F - 1890

06.) 33.5F - 1990

08.) 32.8F - 1989

08.) 32.8F - 1998

10.) 32.7F - 2002

11.) 32.5F - 1950

12.) 32.1F - 1876

13.) 31.6F - 1949

14.) 31.0F - 1882

15.) 31.0F - 1919

16.) 30.8F - 1944

17.) 30.7F - 2012

18.) 30.5F - 1921

18.) 30.5F - 1953

20.) 30.4F - 1964

 

 

 

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Just now, michsnowfreak said:

Rogue shouldnt have brought up agw, as this is not the forum for it, but he certainly has a point regarding warm Jan's. Some of our most impressive Jan warm spells did come long ago.

 

Detroits records go to 1874, and 14 of the top 20 warmest Jan's are 1953 and earlier.

01.) 36.7F - 1880

01.) 36.7F - 1932

03.) 35.3F - 2006

04.) 34.7F - 1933

05.) 33.6F - 1906

06.) 33.5F - 1890

06.) 33.5F - 1990

08.) 32.8F - 1989

08.) 32.8F - 1998

10.) 32.7F - 2002

11.) 32.5F - 1950

12.) 32.1F - 1876

13.) 31.6F - 1949

14.) 31.0F - 1882

15.) 31.0F - 1919

16.) 30.8F - 1944

17.) 30.7F - 2012

18.) 30.5F - 1921

18.) 30.5F - 1953

20.) 30.4F - 1964

 

 

 

6 in 27 years vs 14 in 115, there is certainly a trend going in the direction of warmth. Especially with 5 in the top 10 in the last 27 years.  It doesn't matter how you slice it there is a trend that is obvious, especially when you look at things in a yearly capacity vs picking just a singular month.

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imo, there hasn't been enough focus on global climate trends not necessarily being reflected uniformly in every place on the planet.  Partly comes down to a failure to communicate.  It becomes easier to discredit everything when you can point to your country/state/city/backyard as not following along with trends.

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1 minute ago, Hoosier said:

imo, there hasn't been enough focus on global climate trends not necessarily being reflected uniformly in every place on the planet.  Partly comes down to a failure to communicate.  It becomes easier to discredit everything when you can point to your country/state/city/backyard as not following along with trends.

Yeah, globally the numbers have been off the charts year after year now for several years. 

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11 minutes ago, Stebo said:

6 in 27 years vs 14 in 115, there is certainly a trend going in the direction of warmth. Especially with 5 in the top 10 in the last 27 years.  It doesn't matter how you slice it there is a trend that is obvious, especially when you look at things in a yearly capacity vs picking just a singular month.

I was talking about warm Jan's, did not care to get into an agw discussion. Januarys in the 21st century have been a full degree colder than Januarys from 1930-1959 in Detroit. But yet the most impressive Jan warm spells happened as freak occurances in the 1880s.

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Just now, michsnowfreak said:

I was talking about warm Jan's, did not care to get into an agw discussion. Januarys in the 21st century have been colder than Januarys from 1930-1959 in Detroit. But yet the most impressive Jan warm spells happened as freak occurances in the 1880s.

Why pick only the 21st century, climate itself is a 30 year average. If you pick and choose periods like that, you can find numbers to agree with anything. That is why we have standards like the 30 year average. If you expand out to 30 years this is the warmest 30 year pattern on record.

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15 minutes ago, Stebo said:

Why pick only the 21st century, climate itself is a 30 year average. If you pick and choose periods like that, you can find numbers to agree with anything. That is why we have standards like the 30 year average. If you expand out to 30 years this is the warmest 30 year pattern on record.

I was just replying to your comment. Here are the below Jan averages, as you see they vary, and I could not care less about the overall temp fluctuations as the most obvious trend here is increasing winter snowfall, which is the most important weather facet for me. Januarys in the 2010s, the first 7 years that is, are colder than Januarys of the 1890s, 1900s, 1910s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1990s, 2000s. Im well aware about 30-yr averages, and also they do not do them til the start of a new decade. The 1981-2010 (27.7F) winter average temp was colder than the 1931-1960 (28.0F) avg. It is even more extreme when looking at January 1931-1960 (26.8F) vs 1981-2010 (25.3F).

JANUARY  Temp   Precip   Snow     

1870s    23.9    2.22”   N/A          

1880s    24.5    1.92”   12.4”          

1890s    24.9    1.84”    9.3”          

1900s    25.4    2.13”   11.3”          

1910s    24.7    2.71”   12.2”           

1920s    24.1    1.89”   12.3”          

1930s    28.1    2.42”    8.0”          

1940s    25.0    1.67”    6.5”          

1950s    26.8    2.15”   10.3”         

1960s    24.2    2.05”    6.7”          

1970s    21.5    1.88”   12.2”          

1980s    23.4    1.52”   10.8”         

1990s    26.5    2.43”   13.6”        

2000s    25.9    2.01”   13.3”   

2010s    24.6    2.06”   15.4”     

 

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Now that the cooler weather and snow has returned to the UP, here's a few more stats from the warm spell that nearly sent me over the edge. 

- 11 consecutive days without snow, a record for winter (Dec-Feb).

- 4 consecutive days with a minimum temperature of >30F, tying the record for winter.

- 9 consecutive days above freezing, a record for January. Winter 2013-2014 had just 4 days above freezing

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30 minutes ago, weatherbo said:

Now that the cooler weather and snow has returned to the UP, here's a few more stats from the warm spell that nearly sent me over the edge. 

- 11 consecutive days without snow, a record for winter (Dec-Feb).

- 4 consecutive days with a minimum temperature of >30F, tying the record for winter.

- 9 consecutive days above freezing, a record for January. Winter 2013-2014 had just 4 days above freezing

We went 9 consecutive days above freezing (lowest temp 33). It will take a bit of digging to see if that's a record because xmacis doesn't let you isolate months for stretches like this. No individual daily record high or record high mins were set however. Outside of one day it really wasn't an impressive torch max temp wise, it was more like murky late march hell. So happy it's over.

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With all this talk of warmth, on this day in 1950, Detroit saw its warmest January day on record, with a high of 67F and a low of 55F. The 3pm temp was 67F with a dewpoint of 57F! It hit 72F in Ann Arbor.

https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KDET/1950/1/25/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Detroit&req_state=MI&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=48242&reqdb.magic=4&reqdb.wmo=99999

 

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