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December 8-9th Winter Storm


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All snow out here. 18z NAM still gives along/north of 88 a few inches. Still like my 1.1" for here. 

 

 

I like 1-3" for most of northern IL.  Any mixing should be toward the tail end when the mid levels dry out but of course that will need to be watched in case it happens quicker.

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LOT still somewhat bullish-ish ...

 

 

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL
337 PM CST FRI DEC 6 2013

.DISCUSSION...
334 PM CST


WHILE THIS IS OCCURRING...FAIRLY STOUT MID LEVEL FEATURE WILL
EJECT NORTHEASTWARD OUT AHEAD OF APPROACHING LONG WAVE TROUGH.
WITH WINDS CONTINUING TO VEER MORE SOUTHERLY...WARM ADVECTION WILL
BEGIN TO KICK IN DURING THE DAY SUNDAY WITH MID/HIGH LEVEL CLOUD
COVER CONTINUING TO STREAM OUT AHEAD OF IT. ADVECTION SNOW SHOULD
BEGIN TO OVERSPREAD THE CWA SUNDAY AFTERNOON AS THE COLUMN
SUFFICIENTLY SATURATES. DID INCREASE POPS SUNDAY AFTERNOON...WITH
THE THINKING THAT GUIDANCE MIGHT BE UNDER DONE WITH THIS TOP DOWN
SATURATION. ALTHOUGH SUNDAY AFTERNOON SHOULD ONLY OBSERVE LIGHT
SNOW AND GENERALLY LIGHT ACCUMULATION...AREAS ALONG AND NORTH OF
I-88 SHOULD BEGIN TO OBSERVE BETTER ACCUMULATION. BEST FORCING
ACROSS THE CWA DOES ARRIVE BY THE 00Z TIME FRAME SUNDAY
NIGHT...WITH THE BETTER FORCING STILL RESIDING MORE ACROSS THE
NORTHERN HALF OF THE CWA. FROM THE 00-06Z TIME FRAME...MOST AREAS
SHOULD LIKELY OBSERVE A PERIOD OF LIGHT-MODERATE SNOW. HAVE MADE
LITTLE CHANGES TO PREVIOUS SNOWFALL TOTALS...ONLY INCREASING
SLIGHTLY. FEEL THAT SEVERAL INCHES OF SNOW ARE STILL POSSIBLE MORE
TOWARDS THE ILLINOIS/WISCONSIN BORDER...WITH SNOWFALL TOTALS
LOWERING FURTHER SOUTH ACROSS THE CWA...AND AT AN INCH OR LESS
ACROSS THE SOUTHERN CWA. ANY LAKE EFFECT SNOWFALL EARLY SUNDAY
INTO SUNDAY AFTERNOON COULD HELP TO PROVIDE ISOLATED HIGHER
AMOUNTS...AND WILL NEED TO MONITOR THIS POTENTIAL.
GUIDANCE STILL
INDICATING THE DEEPER MOISTURE WILL BE LOST ACROSS EAST CENTRAL
ILLINOIS AND NORTHWEST INDIANA GOING INTO THE 6Z PERIOD SUNDAY
NIGHT. THIS LOSS OF MOISTURE/CRYSTALS SHOULD THEN RESULT IN A
PERIOD OF EITHER LIGHT FREEZING DRIZZLE OR LIGHT SNOW. WEAK LIFT
WITH THIS NOW SHEARED OUT WAVE COULD RESULT IN CONTINUED LIFT INTO
EARLY MONDAY MORNING...BUT WITH ANY ACCUMULATION BECOMING LESS
LIKELY DURING THIS PERIOD.

RODRIGUEZ
 

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Can anyone recall a previous SE wind lake enhancement event for WI?

 

It has to be really rare in early December because usually a SE wind with a storm system is indicative of a deep low that would likely mean mixed precip or rain.  Thankfully the lake temps aren't that warm near shore this year either, a bit below average for typical early Decembers.

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It has to be really rare in early December because usually a SE wind with a storm system is indicative of a deep low that would likely mean mixed precip or rain.  Thankfully the lake temps aren't that warm near shore this year either, a bit below average for typical early Decembers.

 

Its pretty much rare any winter month. A SE wind is usually associated with WAA so we would need a pretty cold air mass to begin with.

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pre GHD?

 

 

 

 

Looks like a pretty primed situation there for ya!

 

I think that was ENE winds. 

 

It could have been earlier that winter though. It takes a cold air mass to produce it from roughly Milwaukee southward. Waukegan is the furthest south I've noticed LEhS from a wind that is slightly south of due east!

 

MKX disco:

 

 

A CONSENSUS OF THE AFOREMENTIONED MODELS ON QPF YIELDS QPF TOTALS

OF 0.15-0.20. DID NOT INCLUDE THE NAM WHICH IS AN OUTLIER WITH ITS

STRONGER DEEPENING AND HIGHER QPF. THE OMEGA IS BETTER PLACED

WITHIN THE DENDRITE ZONE FROM YESTERDAY AND THE DENDRITE GROWTH

ZONE AVERAGES ABOUT 200 MB DEEP WHICH IS IMPRESSIVE. WILL GO WITH

SNOW RATIOS CLOSE TO 20 TO 1 GIVEN THE DEEP DENDRITE ZONE AND A

1000-500 MB THICKNESS AROUND 522 DM. THIS YIELDS 3 TO 4 INCHES

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 2-3 NEAR THE IL BORDER. THERE HAS BEEN A

SLIGHT NWD TREND WITH THE SHORTWAVE TROUGH AND QPF SO LESSER

AMOUNTS NEAR THE IL BORDER IS REASONABLE. LAKE ENHANCED SNOWS THEN

NEED TO BE ADDED IN FOR OZAUKEE AND SHEBOYGAN COUNTIES GIVEN THE

1000-850 MB SELY FLOW AND LAKE TO 850 MB TEMP DIFFERENCES OF

15-17C. THE LAKE EFFECT SNOW CHARTS SUGGESTS ADDING AT LEAST 3

INCHES SO FORECASTING 5-7 INCHES OF SNOW IN SHEBOYGAN AND NRN

OZAUKEE COUNTIES...WITH LOCALLY MORE ALWAYS POSSIBLE. A WINTER WX

ADVISORY WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR MUCH OF THE CWA IN LATER

FORECASTS. BRISK WESTERLY WINDS AND COLD ADVECTION TO PREVAIL ON

MON WITH THE ARCTIC AIRMASS RETURNING AFTER HIGHS IN THE 20S ON

SUN.

 

 

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Its pretty much rare any winter month. A SE wind is usually associated with WAA so we would need a pretty cold air mass to begin with.

 

Sure, but we had WAA snows just a week or two ago with temps in the 20s in late November (granted they were with SW winds).  Probably only happened a couple of times, hopefully Geos can dig that up for us.

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Maybe it is me but i think either A the track shifts or B 850s end up warmer. Seems odd that the surface would track that deep into the cold. Gut says the models are mishandling where it ejects into Texas or not showing enough warming ahead of it.

 

It seemed the track was always cutting up through the east side of Michigan earlier in the week...with some more influence from the gulf "LP" .... that seems to have gone away with time as the stalled front seems to be retrograding little bit by little bit more with each run ...

 

obviously not the storm of the century here....but certainly an interesting little set up unfolding (at least for my non-met eyes)

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Maybe it is me but i think either A the track shifts or B 850s end up warmer. Seems odd that the surface would track that deep into the cold. Gut says the models are mishandling where it ejects into Texas or not showing enough warming ahead of it.

 

Local RPM type model on our CBS affiliate showed some mixing from Racine/Kenosha southward on its last run.  Local mets all saying 2-4" for the viewing area (SE Wisconsin).

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Sure, but we had WAA snows just a week or two ago with temps in the 20s in late November (granted they were with SW winds).  Probably only happened a couple of times, hopefully Geos can dig that up for us.

 

I believe there was an event during the winter of 2000-2001, 2001-2002, or 2003-2004 the featured a ESE wind with LES from central Lake County on northward. I can remember a persistent -SN all day and getting about 3".

My records we're not that detailed then and I can't differentiate between synoptic and LES. I do think it's possible to have LES in Wisc. given the right kind of air mass with a SE wind.

 

Edit: 01/23/04 might be a candidate for this setup.

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I believe there was an event during the winter of 2000-2001 or 2001-2002 the featured a ESE wind with LES from central Lake County on northward. I can remember a persistent -SN all day and getting about 3".

My records we're not that detailed then and I can't differentiate between synoptic and LES. I do think it's possible to have LES in Wisc. given the right kind of air mass with a SE wind.

 

The 0z GFS is picking up on a light LES band very close to Milwaukee Sunday morning.  Would be nice, might be off an easterly wind, I'd have to check the wind components.

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The 0z GFS is picking up on a light LES band very close to Milwaukee Sunday morning.  Would be nice, might be off an easterly wind, I'd have to check the wind components.

 

Maybe 01/23/04. Added it to my post after you replied.

 

Interesting.

 

0z NAM

 

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