trat Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Baystate Fert is like the quarter the cost per bag compare to milorganite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 Lesco trumps any and all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trat Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Not if doing organic feedings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Meh on lesco, their are tons of better stuff out there. Fertilizer is fertilizer they all make grass grow, its just at varying degrees. It's kind of like snow. Their are different types of snowflakes that accumulate faster than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I have not. Likely should though. UMass has a testing facility there. Yeah, Japanese Knotweed is nasty. my only suggestion would be roundup, hit it when its young. But with an underground rhizome and stolon mass like it seems to have, it wouldn't kill it more like suppress it. Their is one chemical, actually its discontinued but you may still be able to get it. It's called basimid, pretty sick chemical. It basically pulverizes your soil and kills plant and all microbe activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 ill show you a pic of thatch from one of our fairways... basically thatch starts at the surface and goes down to however bad it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinch1989 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Thanks for posting this. I will take a cross section of my lawn and see what see...I'm very curious now... You are a groundskeeper at a golf course? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarshall Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 my only suggestion would be roundup, hit it when its young. But with an underground rhizome and stolon mass like it seems to have, it wouldn't kill it more like suppress it. Their is one chemical, actually its discontinued but you may still be able to get it. It's called basimid, pretty sick chemical. It basically pulverizes your soil and kills plant and all microbe activity. It was about 10 feet high. I cut it all down with a brush cutter. I then hit every stalk with concentrated round up. 2 weeks later I've killed about 1/2 of it. I have 2 ft shoots up. Hit it again yesterday with the 50% Glyophosphate cut down to 25% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Thanks for posting this. I will take a cross section of my lawn and see what see...I'm very curious now... You are a groundskeeper at a golf course? Im an asst. superintendent, i manage the groundskeepers (the laborers). I have a 4 yr degree in turf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 It was about 10 feet high. I cut it all down with a brush cutter. I then hit every stalk with concentrated round up. 2 weeks later I've killed about 1/2 of it. I have 2 ft shoots up. Hit it again yesterday with the 50% Glyophosphate cut down to 25% Yea you might get it this year, butthe underground root mass is probably no match for roundup. Sure it may supress it, but i don't think it will totally kill it. We and a lot of other courses down here, not sure if you guys have the same issue up there, fight bermudagrass constantly. Its a big time grassy weed issue and roundup knocks it back for a year or so but it comes right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarshall Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Just found this stuff http://farmchemicalsuppliers.com/as-herbicides/tordon-22k.aspx http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/jan/06/wildlife-travelandtransport Of course they will only ship it to a few states in the US. This stuff is a huge problem in the UK http://www.gardenseeker.com/weeds/japanese_knotweed.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 For Tombo. Here are pics of the offending grass. And progress on side yard project. Just started last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 It was about 10 feet high. I cut it all down with a brush cutter. I then hit every stalk with concentrated round up. 2 weeks later I've killed about 1/2 of it. I have 2 ft shoots up. Hit it again yesterday with the 50% Glyophosphate cut down to 25% I've also heard about injecting the stalk of it with an herbicide to kill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinch1989 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Im an asst. superintendent, i manage the groundskeepers (the laborers). I have a 4 yr degree in turf. Very cool...sure beats a desk job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 For Tombo. Here are pics of the offending grass. uploadfromtaptalk1375360666394.jpg uploadfromtaptalk1375360677639.jpg uploadfromtaptalk1375360766748.jpg uploadfromtaptalk1375360777901.jpg And progress on side yard project. Just started last night. uploadfromtaptalk1375360876651.jpg Are you familiar with the make up of grass plant like identifying parts of it? It's hard to see specific features in the pictures that you use to distinguish turf. For instance some grasses vernation is folded while others are rolled..does it have auricle or not, is their a ligule present...what kind of sheath does it have? Is it one main midrib like bluegrass, or smaller veins that run through the blade like tall fescue... Does that grass die after first frost or is it green all year long like your lawn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Are you familiar with the make up of grass plant like identifying parts of it? It's hard to see specific features in the pictures that you use to distinguish turf. For instance some grasses vernation is folded while others are rolled..does it have auricle or not, is their a ligule present...what kind of sheath does it have? Is it one main midrib like bluegrass, or smaller veins that run through the blade like tall fescue... Does that grass die after first frost or is it green all year long like your lawn? Let me see if I can get a close up blade shot. I do not recall seeing an auricle on it. It goes dormant just like the rest of the grass. And no I'm nit an authority on grass make-up, just what little research I've done on my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJonesWX Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 my parents yard has a problem with what I thought was kudzu. whatever it is, it is a vine that grows in the woods. it seems to have spread quite a bit in recent years. i helped my dad hit it with Ortho poison ivy/vine killer. it helps, but there are too many plants to keep up with. any suggestions? we don't want to use roundup, as there is too much "good" vegetation around that we don't want to kill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Let me see if I can get a close up blade shot. I do not recall seeing an auricle on it. It goes dormant just like the rest of the grass. And no I'm nit an authority on grass make-up, just what little research I've done on my own. when you mean dormant, you mean like it gets dessicated but their is still some green in the plant, basically what tall fescue looks like. Its not like crabgrass or goosegrass that just dies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 when you mean dormant, you mean like it gets dessicated but their is still some green in the plant, basically what tall fescue looks like. Its not like crabgrass or goosegrass that just dies? correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 correct ok so its a cool season grass, that's for sure. Do you notice it growing faster than the rest of the grass like during the spring or what not? Does it have a big or small ligule, which is the membranous tissing extending upward where to blades meet. Like this picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 OK. More shots. Close up. Ligule is small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 OK. More shots. Close up. Ligule is small. uploadfromtaptalk1375392987562.jpg uploadfromtaptalk1375392997612.jpg uploadfromtaptalk1375393006055.jpg uploadfromtaptalk1375393015059.jpg Just by going off the pics, and i can't really see much. Knowing its a cool season grass and looking at the blades seeing it has a main midrib like poa species. My guess would be poa trivialis..Though i can't really see a solid ligule like poa triv has...anyways this is what it looks like in a lawn, which is why i think it may be it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Yeah, i tend to agree. I was looking at the different grassy weeds and that one was the closest. I plan on ripping it out and re-seeding that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 my only suggestion would be roundup, hit it when its young. But with an underground rhizome and stolon mass like it seems to have, it wouldn't kill it more like suppress it. Their is one chemical, actually its discontinued but you may still be able to get it. It's called basimid, pretty sick chemical. It basically pulverizes your soil and kills plant and all microbe activity. Monsanto to the rescue! Big problem with that is that also takes out the grass and essentially makes the soil barren, doesn't it? I've take to frequent mowing to limit its ability to photosynthisize. I read that that's one prong of the multi-pronged efforts. While i don't bag my clippings (recommended with teh Knotweed), I mow that area in a box pattern with the clippings shooting toward the center. At least that way I'm pushing any elements into a successively smaller area. Im an asst. superintendent, i manage the groundskeepers (the laborers). I have a 4 yr degree in turf. Where did you go to school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinch1989 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Aerated and put down the third application of the year last night, then it rained a perfect rain....I have the happiest lawn on the street this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Monsanto to the rescue! Big problem with that is that also takes out the grass and essentially makes the soil barren, doesn't it? I've take to frequent mowing to limit its ability to photosynthisize. I read that that's one prong of the multi-pronged efforts. While i don't bag my clippings (recommended with teh Knotweed), I mow that area in a box pattern with the clippings shooting toward the center. At least that way I'm pushing any elements into a successively smaller area. Where did you go to school? yea roundup is a non selective herbicide. It will kill everything it touches. Their is another chemical you could try, its called dicamba. It comes in the ortho herbicides and speedzone, but its mixed with 2-4d and mcp. Try just straight dicamba, its pretty potent and can actually damage some trees.... I went psu for my first 2 years then transferred over to delaware valley college. Its a small private agricultural school for my last 2 years. Been in the golf course industry for 6 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I hate having to wait to overseed. I am itching to do it. Got a little more progress today. Pile of dirt will be placed in the garden I am creating. I have plants around the yard to transplant to it. The blue thing is an old pool I need to discard. Weighs like 300lbs. Not easy to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professional Lurker Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 If it's one of those vinyl polls, just cut it into smaller pieces... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I hate having to wait to overseed. I am itching to do it. Got a little more progress today. Pile of dirt will be placed in the garden I am creating. I have plants around the yard to transplant to it. The blue thing is an old pool I need to discard. Weighs like 300lbs. Not easy to move. uploadfromtaptalk1375488091501.jpg uploadfromtaptalk1375488107454.jpg uploadfromtaptalk1375488129561.jpg It'll be great when it's done. Looks like it gets a good shade--does it manage sun, too? I love areas that get a good dose of both. Best looking lawn areas by far in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 It'll be great when it's done. Looks like it gets a good shade--does it manage sun, too? I love areas that get a good dose of both. Best looking lawn areas by far in my opinion. It gets mostly sun till the mid/late afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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