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Guidance continues to advertise a very active pattern for the Pacific NW/N CA. The ensembles are in good agreement that the moisture plume will persist and possible increase in frequency as we move further into late January. In the near term, the Olympic/Cascades Ranges may well score some impressive snow totals with levels lowering to the 2500 ft range over the next several days.

Wow, that's a whole lot of moisture for them. I heard it was snowing in Seattle today from some friends. Forecast was mentioning more substantial snow Tuesday night and even tomorrow in places. I was out in the Cascades last March and they had an incredible snowpack out there!

Oregon Cascades on south really need to get going on their snowpack. They need it for water during their drier summers.

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The 00Z GFES continues to advertise a very wet/snowy pattern for the Cascades and Northern Sierra Nevada Ranges. Flooding concerns may well be growing for the Sacramento Valley regions such as Redding on down to the Sacramento area if these totals verify...

PRELIMINARY EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION

NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD

857 AM EST SUN JAN 15 2012

VALID 12Z THU JAN 19 2012 - 12Z SUN JAN 22 2012

...PERSISTENT HEAVY WINTER PCPN PATTERN FOR THE NWRN US INCLUDING

NRN CA THIS WEEK...

MODELS AND ENSEMBLES CONTINUE TO DEPICT REASONABLY SIMILAR LARGER

SCALE FLOW EVOLUTIONS OUT THROUGH THE ERN PACIFIC INTO NORTH

AMERICA. IN THIS UPCOMING TRANSITIONAL PATTERN...AN EMERGING AND

INCREASINGLY MOIST AND PROGRESSIVE SRN STREAM WAVETRAIN ACROSS THE

PACIFIC MID-LATITUDES TAKES AIM AT THE NWRN US/NRN CA THEN INLAND

AND EASTWARD ACROSS THE REST OF THE LOWER 48...GRADUALLY

MITIGATING NRN STREAM INFLUENCE. THE MODELS THOUGH WILL CONTINUE

TO HAVE ISSUES WITH THE EXTENT OF STREAM INTERACTIONS WITH

TRANSITION...ESPECIALLY WITH LOW LEVEL COLD AIR PENETRATION FROM

CANADA INTO THE US VERSUS SURFACE LOW CYCLOGENESIS/TRACK.

OVERALL...ECMWF MODEL GUIDANCE HAS BEEN MORE CONSISTENT THAN GFS

GUIDANCE OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS IN THE 3-5 DAY TIME FRAME AT MORE

MODERATE AND SMALLER SPATIAL SCALES...BUT ALONG WITH OTHER

GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO OFFER SIGNIFICANT RUN TO RUN VARIANCE IN

RECENT FLOW REGIMES AT LONGER 6-7 DAY TIME FRAMES. THIS CAN BE

ATTRIBUTED TO INCREASINGLY PROBLEMATIC TIMING AND STREAM

INTERACTION ISSUES AND IS AGAIN THE CASE TODAY. ENSEMBLE MEANS

HAVE THEMSELVES BY NATURE OFFERED BETTER LONGER TERM CONTINUITY

BUT HAVE NOT BEEN IMMUNE TO UNCHARACTERISTICALLY EVIDENT RUN TO

RUN FLUXUATIONS IN THIS EMERGING TRANSITIONAL PATTERN. PLANNED

WINTER RECON FLIGHTS VECTORED OUT FROM HAWAII TONIGHT MAY BE ABLE

TO AID REDUCTION OF ERROR STARTING WITH TONIGHTS 00 UTC GUIDANCE

RUNS.

ACCORDINGLY AND WITH AN EYE ON MAINTAINING CONTINUITY...UPDATED

HPC PRELIM MEDIUM RANGE SURFACE FRONTS/PRESSURES AND 500 MB PROGS

HAVE BEEN PRIMARILY DERIVED FROM THE 00 UTC ECMWF DAYS 3-5 WED-FRI

IN A PERIOD OF BELOW NORMAL SOLUTION SPREAD AND UNCERTAINTY WITH

THE FLOW BEFORE A RAPID TRANSITION TO MORE OF A BLEND OF THE 00

UTC GFS/ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEANS HEADING INTO NEXT WEEKEND ON DAYS 6/7

AS UNCERTAINTY BEYOND LARGER SCALES QUICKLY GROWS.

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A wet and wintry time of it in Washington and Oregon the next 60 hours or so. Winter Storm Watches/Warnings cover the entire state of Washington, good chunk of Oregon.

Wouldn't be surprised to hear some of the lowlands receive more snow then most location east of the Rocky Mountains have had for the entire season!

Unfortunately, landslides and flooding will become more likely as temperatures rise later in the week.

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Alot of the moisture in the next 60 hours will be frozen in the lowlands from the Seattle metro and north. WSWatch

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Really nice AFD out of Seattle this morning.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA

945 AM PST MON JAN 16 2012

.SYNOPSIS...SNOW SHOWERS WILL INCREASE TODAY AND CONTINUE INTO

TUESDAY AS AN UPPER LEVEL DISTURBANCE AND ARCTIC FRONT MOVE INTO

CENTRAL PORTIONS OF WESTERN WASHINGTON. ANOTHER LOW AND ASSOCIATED

FRONTAL SYSTEM WILL MOVE INTO THE AREA LATE TUESDAY NIGHT THROUGH

WEDNESDAY OR WEDNESDAY NIGHT BRINGING THE POTENTIAL FOR VERY

SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL AMOUNTS. PRECIPITATION WILL LIKELY TURN TO RAIN

FROM THE SOUTH LATER WEDNESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY MORNING. A VERY

ACTIVE WEATHER PATTERN IS EXPECTED THURSDAY THROUGH NEXT WEEKEND.

&&

.SHORT TERM...VERY HIGH IMPACT WINTER WEATHER IS EXPECTED THROUGH

WEDNESDAY NIGHT OR THURSDAY. SNOWFALL AMOUNTS AT SEATAC COULD EXCEED

ANYTHING SEEN SINCE NOVEMBER 1985...A TOP 5 RECORD 24 HOUR SNOWFALL

AMOUNT.

FOR TODAY...ARCTIC AIR OVER NORTHERN BC AND THE YUKON IS HEADED

SOUTH WITH THE ARCTIC FRONT MAKING ITS WAY DOWN THROUGH WILLIAMS

LAKE. COLD AIR IS SPILLING OUT THROUGH GAPS IN THE CANADIAN COASTAL

TERRAIN AND SPINNING UP LOW PRESSURE OFF VANCOUVER ISLAND. IT

APPEARS THAT FRONTOGENESIS IS TAKING SHAPE FROM THE SAN JUANS TO

BELLINGHAM THIS MORNING AND WILL ONLY INTENSIFY AS THE DAY GOES ON.

HEAVY SNOW SHOWERS DROPPING SOUTHEAST FROM OFF VANCOUVER ISLAND

APPEAR TO BE ENHANCING AND IS GIVING HEAVY SNOW SHOWERS TO THE

COAST. WILL ISSUE A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR THE COASTAL ZONES AND

FOR THE NORTH INLAND ZONES FROM SKAGIT COUNTY AND THE SAN JUANS INTO

WESTERN WHATCOM COUNTY FOR TODAY THROUGH TONIGHT. SHOWERS AND

WESTERLY FLOW WILL ALSO LIKELY GIVE ADVISORY AMOUNTS OF SNOW TO THE

MOUNTAINS...THE SOUTHWEST INTERIOR...THE EVERETT AREA WITH SOME

CONVERGENCE...AND THE EAST PUGET SOUND LOWLANDS.

FOR TONIGHT AND TUESDAY MORNING...A QUICK LOOK AT INCOMING 12Z

GUIDANCE SHOWS THE ARCTIC FRONT MOVING SOUTH THROUGH THE NORTH

INTERIOR TONIGHT AND INTO THE SEATTLE TACOMA AND EVERETT AREA IN

TIME FOR THE MORNING COMMUTE. THIS IS SHOWN BEST BY THE GFS AND IS

HINTED AT BY THE NAM AND THE WRFGFS SOLUTION. WITH FRASIER OUTFLOW

GETTING STRONG AND LOW PRES MOVING JUST S OF THE OLYMPICS INTO SW

WA...OVERRUNNING OF THE ARCTIC FRONT MAY GIVE A SHOT OF HEAVY SNOW

ALONG THE ARCTIC FRONT LATER TONIGHT OR TUE MORNING. BRIEF BLIZZARD

LIKE CONDITIONS OVER WESTERN WHATCOM COUNTY ARE POSSIBLE AS THE

ARCTIC FRONT MOVES THROUGH. ALONG THE STRAIT AND FROM EVERETT

SOUTHWARD SNOW WILL ACCOMPANY THE ARCTIC FRONT AS IT GETS OVERRUN BY

MOISTURE WRAPPING AROUND THE OFFSHORE LOW. WILL ISSUE A WINTER STORM

WATCH FOR THE AREA FROM EVERETT DOWN TO THE TACOMA AREA FOR THE

POSSIBILITY OF 3 TO 6 INCHES OF SNOW WITH THE ARCTIC FRONT.

CONDITIONS IMPROVE A BIT TUESDAY AFTERNOON AND TUESDAY NIGHT BUT IT

LOOKS LIKE IT IS GOING TO BE COLD WITH TEMPERATURES POSSIBLY HOLDING

30 OR BELOW.

THE BIG OVERRUNNING SNOW EVENT STARTS LATE TUE NIGHT AND CONTINUES

THROUGH WED. THE NAM AND ECMWF KEEP EVERYONE FROM SEATTLE NORTHWARD

AS ALL SNOW THROUGH WED NIGHT. THE GFS STILL SCOURS OUT COLD AIR

SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN SEATTLE OR SO WED AFTERNOON. THE ECMWF IS MORE

LIKE THE 12Z NAM. ALL MODELS SHOW 6 TO 12 INCHES OF SNOW OVER THE

LOWLANDS...AND WITH COLD AIR NORTH OF SEATTLE RATIOS COULD BE HIGHER

EVERETT NORTHWARD. ALBRECHT

.LONG TERM...THE GENERAL TREND OF THE MODELS IS FOR A WARMER AND

MORE ACTIVE PATTERN SETTING UP THROUGH THE WEEKEND...BUT THE MODELS

SHOW LITTLE CONTINUITY OR RUN TO RUN CONSISTENCY. THE 00Z ECMWF DOES

SHOW A WIND STORM FOR SATURDAY TO ADD TO THE MIX. FOR NOW THE

GENERAL BROADBRUSH OF RAIN AT TIMES AND WARMER WITH MOUNTAIN SNOW

WILL STAY IN THE FORECAST.

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Very impressive to see such anomalies depicted by the 12Z Euro. The pattern suggests a possible record breaking event for the Pacific NW and N CA. The 1/16 Winter RECON data ingest seems to have helped in this situation. Another mission is scheduled for 1/17.

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Finally, somebody gets some snow and rain. Snow water equivalent values have been very low in most of the Pacific Northwest. The GFS 168-hour total precip is up to 10" for a tiny part of the Cascades, and 5-10" for most of the coast and a part of the Sierra, and even over 5" in a small part of Idaho. (January 16 12z GFS 168 hour P-total graphic). Even northwest Colorado over 2.5" for these next 7 days.

this is from coolwx.com

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Finally, somebody gets some snow and rain. Snow water equivalent values have been very low in most of the Pacific Northwest. The GFS 168-hour total precip is up to 10" for a tiny part of the Cascades, and 5-10" for most of the coast and a part of the Sierra, and even over 5" in a small part of Idaho. (January 16 12z GFS 168 hour P-total graphic). Even northwest Colorado over 3" for these next 7 days.

I'm pretty sure the euro would be a little wetter for the sierra range looking at the surface pattern.

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Does anyone know why snowfall records at SeaTac airport are so spotty? It's too bad that there's no "official" snowfall totals for Seattle for the late December 1996 sequence.

Also, some of the snowfall data from there is just plain wacky. Like, last winter-- 2/23/11: With no snow on the ground (no snow since at all since 1/11), 2.0" fell that day. The next morning, 3" was the recorded snow depth.

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NCEP Operational Status Message

Tue Jan 17 03:09:59 2012 GMT

NOUS42 KWNO 170309

ADMNFD

SENIOR DUTY METEOROLOGIST NWS ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGE

NWS NCEP CENTRAL OPERATIONS CAMP SPRINGS MD

0308Z TUE JAN 17 2012

THE 00Z GFS MODEL HAS STARTED AND IS RUNNING ON TIME. 15 PACIFIC

OCEAN NOAA G-IV DROPSONDES WERE AVAILABLE FOR INGEST.

$$

HANDEL/SDM/NCO/NCEP

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Just tremendous amounts of snow look to fall from about Kelso to Everett in washington with still significant amounts but less further north. I wouldn't be surprised if those areas had 1-2 feet of snow even in the valleys. Crazy thing is that more snow is probably going to fall as the cold air wont be mixed out. Portland will get some snow/ice but by wednesday afternoon they should moderate, Seattle will be much slower.

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MEDFORD OR

415 AM PST TUE JAN 17 2012

...MORE ACCUMULATING SNOW SHOWERS FOR WESTERN OREGON TODAY...

...A STRONG WINTER STORM WILL IMPACT THE FORECAST AREA TONIGHT

THROUGH THURSDAY...

.A VERY STRONG STORM WILL MOVE IN TONIGHT AND CONTINUE WEDNESDAY

INTO THURSDAY. SNOW LEVELS WILL RISE WITH THIS SECOND SYSTEM...SO WESTERN

OREGON VALLEYS WILL NOT BE IMPACTED BY SNOW. HOWEVER...HEAVY SNOW

WILL BE POSSIBLE OVER THE MOUNTAINS ABOVE 3000 FEET AS WELL AS ALL

OF THE EAST SIDE OF OREGON AND NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. THIS STORM

WILL ALSO BRING STRONG WINDS TO MANY LOCATIONS RESULTING IN

BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW.

ORZ027-028-180015-

/O.UPG.KMFR.WS.A.0001.120118T1200Z-120119T0000Z/

/O.NEW.KMFR.WS.W.0001.120118T1200Z-120120T0000Z/

SOUTH CENTRAL OREGON CASCADES-

SISKIYOU MOUNTAINS AND SOUTHERN OREGON CASCADES-

INCLUDING THE CITY OF...CRATER LAKE

415 AM PST TUE JAN 17 2012

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 4 AM WEDNESDAY TO 4 PM PST

THURSDAY ABOVE 5000 FEET...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MEDFORD HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM

WARNING ABOVE 5000 FEET FOR HEAVY SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM

4 AM WEDNESDAY TO 4 PM PST THURSDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO

LONGER IN EFFECT.

* SNOW ACCUMULATIONS...2 TO 4 FEET OF SNOW.

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MEDFORD OR

415 AM PST TUE JAN 17 2012

...MORE ACCUMULATING SNOW SHOWERS FOR WESTERN OREGON TODAY...

...A STRONG WINTER STORM WILL IMPACT THE FORECAST AREA TONIGHT

THROUGH THURSDAY...

.A VERY STRONG STORM WILL MOVE IN TONIGHT AND CONTINUE WEDNESDAY

INTO THURSDAY. SNOW LEVELS WILL RISE WITH THIS SECOND SYSTEM...SO WESTERN

OREGON VALLEYS WILL NOT BE IMPACTED BY SNOW. HOWEVER...HEAVY SNOW

WILL BE POSSIBLE OVER THE MOUNTAINS ABOVE 3000 FEET AS WELL AS ALL

OF THE EAST SIDE OF OREGON AND NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. THIS STORM

WILL ALSO BRING STRONG WINDS TO MANY LOCATIONS RESULTING IN

BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW.

CAZ082-083-180015-

/O.UPG.KMFR.WS.A.0001.120118T1200Z-120119T0000Z/

/O.NEW.KMFR.WS.W.0001.120118T1200Z-120120T0000Z/

SOUTH CENTRAL SISKIYOU COUNTY-

NORTH CENTRAL AND SOUTHEAST SISKIYOU COUNTY-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...MOUNT SHASTA...MCCLOUD...TENNANT

415 AM PST TUE JAN 17 2012

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 4 AM WEDNESDAY TO 4 PM PST

THURSDAY ABOVE 3500 FEET...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MEDFORD HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM

WARNING ABOVE 3500 FEET FOR HEAVY SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM

4 AM WEDNESDAY TO 4 PM PST THURSDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO

LONGER IN EFFECT.

* SNOW ACCUMULATIONS...10 TO 20 INCHES...WITH LOCALLY HIGHER

AMOUNTS.

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PORTLAND OR

555 AM PST TUE JAN 17 2012

...STRONG WINTER STORM TO IMPACT SOUTHWEST WASHINGTON AND

NORTHWEST OREGON TONIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY...

.COLD AIR HAS SETTLED OVER THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AND WILL RESULT

IN WINTRY WEATHER ACROSS SOUTHWEST WASHINGTON AND NORTHWEST

OREGON THROUGH WEDNESDAY. A REINFORCING COLD FRONT WILL CONTINUE

TO MOVE ACROSS WASHINGTON AND NORTHERN OREGON TODAY...BRINGING HEAVY

SNOW TO THE CASCADES AND THE COLUMBIA RIVER GORGE...ALONG WITH

SOME POSSIBLE LIGHT ACCUMULATIONS DOWN TO THE VALLEY FLOOR. A

STRONGER LOW PRESSURE PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL THEN MOVE IN FROM THE

SOUTHWEST LATE TONIGHT AND WEDNESDAY... SPREADING ABUNDANT

MOISTURE OVER THE VERY COLD AIR MASS THAT IS IN PLACE ACROSS THE

REGION. THIS WILL RESULT IN MORE HEAVY SNOW FOR THE CASCADES AND

COLUMBIA RIVER GORGE...AND MAY BRING ACCUMULATIONS TO THE

LOWLANDS AS WELL...INCLUDING THE PORTLAND AND VANCOUVER METRO

AREA. DETAILS ARE STILL VERY UNCERTAIN ESPECIALLY FOR THE

LOWLANDS...BUT THE POTENTIAL IS THERE FOR THIS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT

WINTER WEATHER EVENT.

ORZ010-011-WAZ019-040-172200-

/O.CON.KPQR.WS.W.0001.000000T0000Z-120119T0200Z/

NORTHERN OREGON CASCADE FOOTHILLS-NORTHERN OREGON CASCADES-

SOUTH WASHINGTON CASCADES-SOUTH WASHINGTON CASCADE FOOTHILLS-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...SANDY...SWEET HOME...GOVERNMENT CAMP...

MOUNT ST. HELENS...TOUTLE...ARIEL...COUGAR

555 AM PST TUE JAN 17 2012

...WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM PST

WEDNESDAY FOR THE NORTH OREGON CASCADES AND FOOTHILLS AND THE

SOUTH WASHINGTON CASCADES AND FOOTHILLS...

A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR HEAVY SNOW REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL

6 PM PST WEDNESDAY.

* TIMING...STEADY SNOW SHOWERS THROUGH THIS AFTERNOON. A STRONG

STORM WILL BRING HEAVIER SNOW STARTING LATE TONIGHT.

* ACCUMULATION...12 TO 24 INCHES IN THE FOOTHILLS AND 24 TO 36

INCHES IN THE HIGHER CASCADES BY WEDNESDAY.

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The 12Z GFES continues to advertise a very wet/snowy pattern for the Pacific NW/CA. Also note worthy are some totals showing up in the medium/long range across the S Plains and Lower Mississippi Valley as a potent storm system develops near the 25th, +/- a couple of days in that region.

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URGENT - MARINE WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MEDFORD OR

407 AM PST WED JAN 18 2012

...HURRICANE FORCE WINDS TODAY THROUGH EARLY THIS EVENING...

PZZ350-356-370-376-182300-

/O.EXP.KMFR.SR.W.0001.000000T0000Z-120118T1200Z/

/O.CON.KMFR.HF.W.0001.000000T0000Z-120119T0000Z/

/O.CON.KMFR.SE.W.0005.000000T0000Z-120121T0000Z/

COASTAL WATERS FROM FLORENCE TO CAPE BLANCO OR OUT 10 NM-

COASTAL WATERS FROM CAPE BLANCO OR TO PT. ST. GEORGE CA OUT 10 NM-

WATERS FROM FLORENCE TO CAPE BLANCO OR FROM 10 TO 60 NM-

WATERS FROM CAPE BLANCO OR TO PT. ST. GEORGE CA FROM 10 TO 60 NM-

407 AM PST WED JAN 18 2012

...HURRICANE FORCE WIND WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 4 PM PST

THIS AFTERNOON...

...HAZARDOUS SEAS WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 4 PM PST

FRIDAY...

...STORM WARNING HAS EXPIRED...

THE STORM WARNING IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT. A HURRICANE FORCE WIND

WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 4 PM PST THIS AFTERNOON. A

HAZARDOUS SEAS WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 4 PM PST FRIDAY.

* SEAS: COMBINED SEAS WILL BUILD AS WINDS INCREASE. COMBINED SEAS

ARE EXPECTED TO PEAK AT 30 TO 35 FEET WITH DOMINANT PERIOD

AROUND 11 SECONDS THIS AFTERNOON AND THEN SUBSIDE THIS EVENING.

THIS WILL RESULT IN EXTREMELY STEEP SEAS. WHILE SEAS WILL

DECREASE SOME TONIGHT...THEY ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN VERY STEEP

THROUGH FRIDAY.

* WINDS: SOUTHWEST WINDS WILL INCREASE TO HURRICANE FORCE 60 TO 65

KT WITH GUSTS TO 80 KT THIS MORNING AND CONTINUE THROUGH THIS

AFTERNOON. WINDS WILL EASE THIS EVENING.

* AREAS AFFECTED: WHILE THE ENTIRE AREA WILL BE AFFECTED...

WINDS AND SEAS WILL BE THE HIGHEST NEAR CAPE BLANCO.

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http://www.powdiction.com/index.html

A couple good articles related to the storm. As for the west coast, people care, it is just nobody sees these threads buried in central/western.

The Pacific Front will dramatically lower snow level tonite from 8000-9000 feet down to 4000-5000 feet in the Sierra Nevada. The next storm comes in two days.

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http://www.powdiction.com/index.html

A couple good articles related to the storm. As for the west coast, people care, it is just nobody sees these threads buried in central/western.

The Pacific Front will dramatically lower snow level tonite from 8000-9000 feet down to 4000-5000 feet in the Sierra Nevada. The next storm comes in two days.

Good article. Lots of places in the sierra and coastal ranges got 4 to 7 inches of precip in the last 24 hrs. The heaviest I saw was over 7. When the precip is finally in a graphical form I'll post it.

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/total_forecast/getprod.php?prod=RNORR5RSA&wfo=cnrfc&version=0

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