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potential for a few mangled flakes part 3


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My concern right now is where the "moat" will set up between major bands. There will almost certainly be one over N NJ, the Poconos and SE NY, with probably an area of light snow/rain just east. It wouldn't surprise me if there is a "jip zone" just SE or west of where this band is, regardless of temps.

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My concern right now is where the "moat" will set up between major bands. There will almost certainly be one over N NJ, the Poconos and SE NY, with probably an area of light snow/rain just east. It wouldn't surprise me if there is a "jip zone" just SE or west of where this band is, regardless of temps.

sim radar indicates that pretty well. Can't go with the smoothed out precip amounts, it seems the major band keeps getting pushed west, so we have to watch that.

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My house in Dobbs Ferry at 350' is going to take a massive blow; the 18z NAM shows that both HPN and NYC are mostly snow throughout the event. It looks to me as if the jackpot will be from the Catskills through the NW CT hills into central Massachusetts, but Westchester County should see at least 4-8"...

One thing people often forget is that it's not that hard to get to 32/32 with heavy snow falling, especially since 850s are around -3C for NYC metro during a large part of the event. You don't rip heavy snow for hours and stay at 34F with non-accumulating slush. As long as NYC gets into the H7 deformation axis, it will be mostly snow.

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My house in Dobbs Ferry at 350' is going to take a massive blow; the 18z NAM shows that both HPN and NYC are mostly snow throughout the event. It looks to me as if the jackpot will be from the Catskills through the NW CT hills into central Massachusetts, but Westchester County should see at least 4-8"...

One thing people often forget is that it's not that hard to get to 32/32 with heavy snow falling, especially since 850s are around -3C for NYC metro during a large part of the event. You don't rip heavy snow for hours and stay at 34F with non-accumulating slush. As long as NYC gets into the H7 deformation axis, it will be mostly snow.

When everyone says NYC do they mean city it's self or all boroughs

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sim radar indicates that pretty well. Can't go with the smoothed out precip amounts, it seems the major band keeps getting pushed west, so we have to watch that.

We have to watch that as the day progresses. Any snow in October qualifies as a blockbuster around here, but it could cause some nailbiting where those areas of subsidence inevitably occur. There will probably be a solid area of precip from the low itself on the coast, then the megaband inland somewhere associated with the max. deformation. The progressive nature of the storm could help even amounts out, since the band should be progressive. The low closing off at 500 as it heads east of here should help lock snow in for longer along the coast at the end-hopefully we see that persist.

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Someone was rubbing their crystal ball!

PUBLICINFORMATION STATEMENT

NATIONAL WEATHERSERVICE NEW YORK NY

600 AM EDT SATOCT 29 2011

...THIS IS WINTERWEATHER AWARENESS WEEK...

PLEASE JOIN THENATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AND THE NEW YORK STATE

OFFICE OFEMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IN PROMOTING WINTER WEATHER EDUCATION

INCLUDING SAFETY.

TODAY'S THEME ISWINTER WEATHER PREPAREDNESS.

FOR HEAVYSNOW...CHECK AND WINTERIZE YOUR VEHICLES BEFORE THE WINTER

SEASON BEGINS. CARRYA WINTER STORM SURVIVAL KIT INCLUDING

BLANKETS...AFLASHLIGHT WITH EXTRA BATTERIES...A SHOVEL AND MAP.

FOR ICING...MAKESURE THAT AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF SALT AND SAND ARE

AVAILABLE FORMELTING ICE.

FOR HIGHWINDS...STRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO HOUSES BEGINS WITH WINDS IN

EXCESS OF 57 MPH.THESE WINDS WILL ALSO CAUSE PARTS OR WHOLE TREES

TO FALL. SOMETREES MIGHT FALL ON POWER AND TELEPHONE LINES CAUSING

INTERRUPTION OFELECTRICAL AND TELEPHONE SERVICE. ALSO NOTE THAT

HEAVY ICING WILLPRODUCE SIMILAR TYPES OF ELECTRICAL AND TELEPHONE

SERVICEINTERRUPTIONS. TO PREPARE FOR THESE HAZARDS...

FOR A MOBILEHOME...MAKE SURE THAT IT IS TIED DOWN AND IS SECURE.

WITHOUT THESERVICES OF A REFRIGERATOR AND A STOVE...MAKE SURE TO

HAVE AN ADEQUATESTOCK OF CANNED GOODS.

FOR TIDALFLOODING...KNOW YOUR AREA'S FLOOD RISK AND ELEVATIONS WITH

REFERENCE TO MEANLOWER LOW WATER AND MEAN SEA LEVEL. KNOW WHAT

WATER ELEVATIONSWILL CAUSE MINOR...MODERATE AND MAJOR FLOODING IN

YOUR AREA. THENWS FORECASTS STORM TIDES WITH SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO

MEAN LOWER LOWWATER.

KNOW THEAVAILABLE ROUTES FOR ESCAPE AND WHERE SHELTERS ARE

AVAILABLE IF YOUARE DIRECTED TO EVACUATE YOUR AREA.

THIS IS THE FINALSTATEMENT COVERING WINTER PREPAREDNESS WEEK.

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I guess they are deciding whether or not to issue advisories, or more likely for which counties. Would look silly if they don't for at least NE NJ since Mt Holly issued them for central NJ and warnings nearby

Liars :angry:

SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH SATURDAY NIGHT/...

-- Changed Discussion --STILL ASSIMILATING LATEST NWP DATA WITH CONCERNS FOR MORE SNOW

WITH POTENTIAL FOR ACCUMULATION IN NY METRO. MORE DETAILS AT 4 PM.

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There seems to be a consensus among the GFS, NAM and ECMWF that the best time for accumulating snow at TTN is 0Z-3Z as the lower end of the deform band swings through... this is similar to what happened on 2/5/01 where essentially the same thing occurred, though a few hours earlier.

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while we wait for Upton's discussion... Boston's just came out.. here is a sniplet of it:

AS WE GET INTO SATURDAY NIGHT...HEAVY SNOW WILL CONTINUE TO FALL

ACROSS INTERIOR SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND. THE LATEST NAM IS SHOWING

INTENSE OMEGA OF 40 TO 50 MICROBARS PER SECOND ESPECIALLY ACROSS

WESTERN AREAS WHERE A DEFORMATION ZONE WILL LIKELY SET UP. SNOWFALL

RATES OF 1 TO 2 INCHES PER HOUR ARE LIKELY IN THIS REGION. THERE

MAY EVEN BE SOME THUNDER SNOW AS THE NAM IS SHOWING A GOOD EPV

SIGNATURE.

CONFIDENCE IS HIGH THAT HEAVY WET SNOW WILL AFFECT INTERIOR SOUTHERN

NEW ENGLAND. THEREFORE...THE WINTER STORM WATCH WILL BE UPGRADED TO

A WARNING FOR A GENERAL 6 TO 12 INCHES OF WET SNOW. THE HIGHEST

SNOWFALL TOTALS ARE MOST LIKELY IN THE HIGHER TERRAIN. WITH MANY

LEAVES STILL ON THE TREES AND THE WET NATURE OF THE SNOW...TREE

DAMAGE AND POWER OUTAGES ARE EXPECTED. THIS IS A SERIOUS SITUATION

AND HAS THE POTENTIAL TO PRODUCE AN AREA OF WIDESPREAD POWER

OUTAGES...ESPECIALLY WITH THE GUSTY WINDS THAT ARE EXPECTED TO

DEVELOP EVEN IN THE INTERIOR.

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