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Alright, on a more on topic note, the GFS may indicate more of a potential threat for Central MN on Sat, with the instability/theta-e extending quite a bit further north into the state than the NAM projections.

The 4-8 day SPC outlook and L.B. also mentioned a possible threat around the Dakotas (go figure) for next Tuesday, which I'm awaiting the models on.

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SPC plays it conservative for Saturday with a 15% risk for now.

"EXTREME INSTABILITY WILL EXIST NEAR THE WARM FRONT AND

AMPLE SHEAR WILL EXIST FOR SEVERE TSTMS. ALTHOUGH VERTICAL SHEAR IS

NOT EXPECTED TO BE THAT STRONG FORECAST INSTABILITY CERTAINLY

SUGGESTS ANY SUPERCELLS THAT EVOLVE NEAR THE WARM FRONT MAY POSE A

RISK OF LARGE HAIL...DAMAGING WINDS AND PERHAPS EVEN TORNADOES."

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Not surprising, considering potential morning junk and capping.

Although, Timmer thinks things could get ugly apparently...:rolleyes:

http://fb.me/yH93kJrL

Definitely a lot of potential. I don't blame them for sticking with the 15% probs, although a hatched area may not have hurt. Never thought I would agree with Timmer.

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1630Z update bumped us into a Slight Risk category. Current MD indicates the possibility of a SVR watch being issued. Still warm here but clouds have begun to fill in.

...MIDWEST/OH VALLEY...

A VERY HOT AND UNSTABLE AIRMASS WAS DEVELOPING NORTH OF THE OH

RIVER...FROM OH WWD ACROSS IND AND EXTREME LOWER MI. THIS

DESTABILIZATION WAS TAKING PLACE AHEAD OF THE LAKE MICHIGAN MCS WITH

LATEST DIAGNOSTIC DATA INDICATING MLCAPE VALUES IN EXCESS OF 3000 J

PER KG. WHILE SHEAR WILL REMAIN MARGINAL/LIMITED FOR WIDESPREAD

ORGANIZED SEVERE...THE DEGREE OF CAPE/DCAPE...WHEN COMBINED WITH

CONTINUED HEATING AND THE APPROACH OF MCS/MCV...WARRANTS INCREASING

SEVERE WIND PROBABILITIES OVER THESE AREAS COMMENSURATE WITH A SLGT

RISK.

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1630Z update bumped us into a Slight Risk category. Current MD indicates the possibility of a SVR watch being issued. Still warm here but clouds have begun to fill in.

Latest MD going with "Watch Likely" for much of Ohio and Eastern IN. A lot of development over the last hour.

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Hmmm, models are kind of all over the place on initiation today.

This WRF here: http://rt.atmos.uiuc.edu/index2W.shtml?Cycle=0&Field=13&Time=7&Display=4&Layout=1 has a bunch of different things going on, some throwing storms out near FSD. It's interesting to see all the different initialization parameters on the WRF, and see what they predict.

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Just focused on today's weather potential across the SW North Dakota region today. Ran a couple of output for Dickinson, and Bismark areas. Showing greatest instability across the Dickson areas especially fro the 23Z through 01Z, with LI's around -7, SFC CAPE around 2,200 j/ks, and SSI around -6.5. Seeing main threat with winds up to 57 knots and hail up to 1.4". Thoughts? Dickinson and Bismarck uploaded: http://smartwxmodel.net/KDIK.pdf and http://smartwxmodel.net/KBIS.pdf

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Storms going up in northeast MT.

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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 1688

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

0206 PM CDT FRI JUL 22 2011

AREAS AFFECTED...ERN MT

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH NEEDED SOON

VALID 221906Z - 221930Z

SURFACE BASED STORMS HAVE DEVELOPED AND A WW WILL BE ISSUED SOON

FOR PORTIONS OF ERN MT.

STORMS ARE DEVELOPING WEST OF GGW AS LARGE SCALE FORCING SPREADS IN

FROM THE WEST. DEEP LAYER SHEAR AROUND 50 KT AND MUCAPE VALUES FROM

1000 TO 2000 J/KG WILL BE FAVORABLE WITH SUPERCELLS.THE MAIN THREAT

WITH INITIAL STORMS WILL BE VERY LARGE HAIL...THOUGH STRONGLY

VEERING HODOGRAPHS INDICATE A TORNADO OR TWO IS CERTAINLY POSSIBLE.

LATER THIS AFTERNOON...THE STORMS ARE LIKELY TO MERGE INTO A FAST

EWD MOVING LINEAR SYSTEM.

..IMY.. 07/22/2011

Edit: Here's the watch.

URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED

TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 671

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

125 PM MDT FRI JUL 22 2011

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A

TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF

EASTERN MONTANA

EFFECTIVE THIS FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 125 PM UNTIL 900

PM MDT.

TORNADOES...HAIL TO 4 INCHES IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND

GUSTS TO 80 MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE

AREAS.

THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 90 STATUTE

MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 60 MILES NORTH NORTHEAST OF

GLASGOW MONTANA TO 35 MILES SOUTHWEST OF BROADUS MONTANA. FOR A

COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE

UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU1).

REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR

TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH

AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR

THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS

AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.

OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW 670...

DISCUSSION...POTENT UPPER TROUGH AND UNSTABLE AIRMASS WILL

CONTRIBUTE TO AN INCREASE IN SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS ERN MT THIS

AFTERNOON. DEEP SHEAR WILL INITIALLY SUPPORT SUPERCELLS WITH THE

POTENTIAL FOR VERY LARGE HAIL. TORNADO THREAT WILL ALSO EXIST

ALTHOUGH MIXING OF DRIER AIR THROUGH DEEP HEATED BOUNDARY LAYER MAY

KEEP THIS POTENTIAL FOCUSED MOSTLY NEAR THE LOW/TROUGH AND ALONG THE

FRONTAL ZONE EXTENDING FROM THE LEE LOW/TROUGH SEWD ACROSS ECNTRL

MT. GGW VWP INDICATIVE OF STRONG DIRECTIONAL SHEAR SUPPORTIVE OF

INTENSE LOW LEVEL UPDRAFT ROTATION. EXPECT A TRANSITION TO MORE

LINEAR/WIND DAMAGE STORM MODE LATER THIS AFTERNOON AS FORCING WITH

THE UPPER TROUGH AND COLD FRONT MOVE INTO STRONG INSTABILITY...

CELLS AND STORMS MERGE/CONGEAL...AND CONVECTIVE COLD POOLS

MATURE...ALL IN THE PRESENCE OF INCREASINGLY STRONG DEEP LAYER FLOW

AND FORCING.

AVIATION...TORNADOES AND A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL

SURFACE AND ALOFT TO 4 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE

WIND GUSTS TO 70 KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO

450. MEAN STORM MOTION VECTOR 24030.

...CARBIN

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Latest MD going with "Watch Likely" for much of Ohio and Eastern IN. A lot of development over the last hour.

Crazyy storms in the CLE area. Nearly continuous CTG lighting. Best light show of the year. Gonna be a lot of tree damage. Storms are interacting with the lake breeze. Outflow from storms south of the lake have pushed the lake breeze boundary back north.

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Nice pic. You have a great view. Pretty unique scenario as the lake breeze was push north to the shoreline. Chagrin falls got rocked. Lightning strikes all over the place.

Yeah. Great lightning show. Looks like after a 3-4 week reprieve, we are back into the heavy rain pattern again. This was about an inch in roughly 20 minutes just before rush hour. Lots of flash flooding on the highways this evening. Just imagine what it would have been like with the 3-5" rain event the other day, which happened at 2 am, if it had been during either rush. Complete madness. CLE picked up 2.5" in one hour, which has to be a record considering there are only a handful of days in the records books that even have that much rain for a day.

I do think all that rain/soil moisture kept our high temps the past few days in the mid 90s. Had that event missed us and with our parched soils, we'd have easily hit 100+ like Toledo did.

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Storms are festering out in Iowa may get a little interesting later this evening. Don't see much in the way of forcing from any short waves or anything, but severe parameters are pretty robust out there. Mixed layer cape over 4000j/kg, 30-40kts 500mb bulk shear, and H5 winds over 30kts. If those storms can continue to organize and grow they could eventually establish a cold pool and the lack of forcing won't matter anymore. SPC doesn't seem too impressed judging by their convective outlook, so it may be a long shot.

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Here we go again for ND...

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URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED

TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 673

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

535 PM CDT FRI JUL 22 2011

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A

TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF

WESTERN AND SOUTHERN NORTH DAKOTA

NORTHERN SOUTH DAKOTA

EFFECTIVE THIS FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND SATURDAY MORNING FROM 535 PM

UNTIL 200 AM CDT.

TORNADOES...HAIL TO 3 INCHES IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND

GUSTS TO 80 MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE

AREAS.

THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 90 STATUTE

MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 70 MILES NORTHWEST OF MINOT

NORTH DAKOTA TO 55 MILES SOUTH OF LEMMON SOUTH DAKOTA. FOR A

COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE

UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU3).

REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR

TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH

AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR

THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS

AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.

OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW 670...WW 671...WW 672...

DISCUSSION...TSTMS ARE BEGINNING TO FORM ALONG WNW/ESE ORIENTED WARM

FRONT IN S CNTRL ND. MODERATE TO STRONGLY VEERING LOW LVL WIND

PROFILES IN THIS REGION...STEEP LOW LVL LAPSE RATES...AND PRESENCE

OF AMPLE MOISTURE SUGGEST POTENTIAL FOR SUPERCELLS WITH

TORNADOES...IN ADDITION TO VERY LARGE HAIL/LOCALLY DMGG WIND. WITH

TIME...BROKEN BAND OF STORMS WITH EMBEDDED SUPERCELLS NOW IN ERN MT

EXPECTED TO MOVE INTO WRN ND AS ASSOCIATED UPR LVL JET STREAK

CONTINUES NEWD. THIS ACTIVITY MAY EVOLVE INTO A LARGER SCALE BOW

MCS...POSSIBLY YIELDING A MORE WIDESPREAD DMGG WIND THREAT...IN

ADDITION TO A CONTINUING RISK FOR ISOLD TORNADOES/SVR HAIL INTO LATE

TNGT/EARLY SAT.

AVIATION...TORNADOES AND A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL

SURFACE AND ALOFT TO 3 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE

WIND GUSTS TO 70 KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO

600. MEAN STORM MOTION VECTOR 24020.

...CORFIDI

70/30 probs.

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MPX rightfully concerned. I will hopefully have a more detailed forecast later, but tomorrow could be quite a local outbreak in MN/WI.

VERY UNSTABLE CONDITIONS ARE

INDICATED FOR TOMORROW WITH SFC-1KM SHEAR VALUES QUITE HIGH ALONG

AND NORTH OF A WARM FRONT IN CENTRAL MN. LOCAL TORNADO

PROBABILITIES ARE ALREADY IN THE 60-80 PERCENT RANGE IN THIS AREA.

DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OVERNIGHT WITH THE CONVECTION FROM THE

DAKOTAS...WE MAY HAVE QUITE THE BOUNDARY SET UP ON SATURDAY.

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