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2/1-4 Potential Part II


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Lee,

Similar story for Philly and NYC with this one...but watch out for the front end and I don't think we warm up nearly as much as some guidance would suggest

Paul

Thank you Paul, so this could be a sneaky event for us then. So maybe you might feel the sameway as i do about how this sub-forum thing isnt doing what its supposed to be doing with the Regional thing its become very obvious this has become more of a NYC region sub-forum with shades of our area thrown in here and there.

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Thank you Paul, so this could be a sneaky event for us then. So maybe you might feel the sameway as i do about how this sub-forum thing isnt doing what its supposed to be doing with the Regional thing its become very obvious this has become more of a NYC region sub-forum with shades of our area thrown in here and there.

EURO & GFS are almost identical at this point...

If we can get 2-4"/3-6" from the 1st wave that would be nice.

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hour 90.. 1000mb low into indiana.. thats gotta bring some warm air aloft on the euro...32 line holding steady

96.. NE PA from quakertown north and eaast ice storm...maybe even as far south as bucks county..

low centered over ohio. holding around 1004-1000mb

102- 1000mb low over pa, everyone in the state has changed over NYC south rainstorm..

shore points pushing 50.. cities 40's...

108, low east of cape cod.. precip winding down, temps getting colder, but not cold enough.. ugghh

.75" baltimore to bucks county ..north of there, 1"+ .. not sure whats frozen and whats not,, looks like maybe 3/4 of it is wet/warm function deleterec(delname, delid){ var answer = confirm("Are you sure you want to delete "+delname+" comment?") if (answer){ window.location = "/deletecomment/18003/delete/"+delid+"/"; } }

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hour 90.. 1000mb low into indiana.. thats gotta bring some warm air aloft on the euro...32 line holding steady

96.. NE PA from quakertown north and eaast ice storm...maybe even as far south as bucks county..

low centered over ohio. holding around 1004-1000mb

102- 1000mb low over pa, everyone in the state has changed over NYC south rainstorm..

shore points pushing 50.. cities 40's...

108, low east of cape cod.. precip winding down, temps getting colder, but not cold enough.. ugghh

.75" baltimore to bucks county ..north of there, 1"+ .. not sure whats frozen and whats not,, looks like maybe 3/4 of it is wet/warm function deleterec(delname, delid){ var answer = confirm("Are you sure you want to delete "+delname+" comment?") if (answer){ window.location = "/deletecomment/18003/delete/"+delid+"/"; } }

Hopefully that trends colder, or it would be an epic :axe: for the snowcover we have, in addition to any rain.

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Hopefully that trends colder, or it would be an epic :axe: for the snowcover we have, in addition to any rain.

So what caused the huge shift from colder to warmer solutions, JM?

1) primary holding on longer-- no coastal development

2) coastal development, but coastal goes inland

Lee Goldberg was hinting at 1 last night (Apps runner, no coastal development)

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Euro has the initial WAA snows, followed by the second warmer part of the storm.

Due to the confluence up north, the second storm gets sheared out and weakens by the time it enters the region. However, it is still strong enough to pull up enough warm air to change most to light rain/drizzle after some more front end snows.

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I can remember a number of flat top roof collapses around the region back in 1996 when we got rain on top of the snowpack.

Do you remember the epic roof collapse of the supermarket in Massapequa? If there are any fans of catastrophic weather (I doubt there are any of those on here), they'd be rooting for rain not snow as a rainstorm would be FAR more disruptive right now than any snowstorm could be.

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Euro has the initial WAA snows, followed by the second warmer part of the storm.

Due to the confluence up north, the second storm gets sheared out and weakens by the time it enters the region. However, it is still strong enough to pull up enough warm air to change most to light rain/drizzle after some more front end snows.

That would be a good scenario...

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So what caused the huge shift from colder to warmer solutions, JM?

1) primary holding on longer-- no coastal development

2) coastal development, but coastal goes inland

Lee Goldberg was hinting at 1 last night (Apps runner, no coastal development)

The bundled up energy was probably the main culprit-it causes a stronger primary that rides NE and not ENE along the bottom of the PV. We need for it to somewhat shear out like some of the models aka the GGEM are doing now. First off it would elongate the storm and provide some snow here while the cold air is locked in, and the major storm wouldn't cut as far north. The Euro sees the strength of the cold air this run and it can't cut the storm as far north. Also, the deeper the cold air, the more likely it is that the storm has to redevelop along or off the coast.

There's a ton of cold air to work with, so we have room to cool down and trend south still. My money is on mostly a slop storm of everything here. I don't think one particular ptype dominates-we get somewhat of a front end snow thump, and then sleet for a while to rain or even ZR. Interior areas in SE NY and NJ likely get a ton of ice since models always overdo warm surface air at this stage (but not mid level). Hopefully the warm advection shuts off for a while so the immediate coast doesn't torch way into the 40s again.

We're going to have so much water in the snow after this that whatever we have left will freeze like a brick. At some point when it finally does warm up we could have big flooding problems on our hands especially if we also have a wet spring.

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