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You know ...I'm kinda coveting a private experiment through this synoptic cinema. I'm still secretly unconvinced this thing doesn't elevate much of it's impact potential ... I joked and referred to it as a 'see-thru frisbie' a couple nights ago. But I'm holding back because the Euro solution from last night - however - hearkened somewhat to Ryan H'.s salient tweet about the jet structures potentially coupling with the vestigial mechanics. This most recent run seems to have additional isobars (along standard intervals) added as it is absorbing into the large cyclonic envelopment over the N OV...and it's difficult to see that as being tropical in nature for what is forcing that, once this thing is passing NYC's ~ latitude. It seems it is getting an assist in "re" or depth maintenance as it accelerates N of the Del Marva here during the afternoon - going by the 00z run... I don't see another reason for that ... If it wasn't for that, this would probably decouple from the lower troposphere below a weakening threshold and pressure pattern normalizing below restoration's ability to overcome the BL resistance much more than 10 mi inland from the coast(s). And it'd be TS warning with 20mph breezes and heavily tilted Bahama towers.. So...what is fascinating here is that this may end up producing a synoptic wind pulse from that idiosyncrasy alone, but not "really" be a TC at that time. Here's a forecast, cloudy with a 90% chance of misconception of what is really being experienced, in lieu of this din of oohs and ahs ...where if you try to cut in and explain the truth, everyone blink twice, turns around and re-engages the oohs and ahs..
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Because these are Americans, and no amount of lead time is sufficient to enlighten beef-wits as to an apparent risk. Plus, more time is better to defend against all the others, hordes of litigates. That's why... In an ideal world, they tell everyone an hour before your arc arrives, ...people en masse take a 30 minute time out, then emerge unscathed ... understanding that damage to property is otherwise a part of a dynamic planet. Clean up where necessary ... rejoice dodging the bullet elsewhere, and everyone sings Kumbaya.
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These/those results are difficult to forecast. Some LCL scenarios do...some don't... But, the shear profiles being what they are, that is interesting whether there is a coherent TC or not. A few posts ago I mused to Scott or someone that I bet the Logan sounding was already looking tropical WRONG I didn't realize there was a weak cold front passing through ... We seem to have temporarily laid in some dry air... BDL and ORH DPs are in the low 60s at ASOS which I was shocked ... It's actually nice out...not torrid or humid unless standing in the sun but that's different. Anyway, this frontal tapestry will either have to wash out or lift back N and will given the modeling ...so that does also enhance a bit of warm frontal positive rotation kinematics... That's separate from the TC or TC remnants that Ryan tweeted howester... Perhaps there are two period to watch...
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I like Ryan's observation of the exit region of that massive jet structure that is both velocity and directionally diffluent as it fans over central/NNE... Really, anything that has UVM that happens to intersect that region near the Del Marve to the NY Bite region is likely going to get a significant upward assist. It's an interesting point I had not considered. I was thinking this system was purely embedded in a large synoptic transport pattern ... laminar and deep in the troposphere from the Bahamas all the way up. And that being so weak to start, then translating partially eclipsing the coast as it gains latitude - if it were up to these factors alone, I would definitely be averse to the notion of this being much of a player nearing 40 N... I'm not sure how that fairly unique circumstance he points out with the jet/larger synoptic fluid mechanical layout may feedback. If this thing doesn't get more develope/re-developed profile soon, though,...I almost wonder if that set up isn't a weak spinner swarm anyway -
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Yeah the Euro's specifics on this were abysmal ...particularly when it was 3 and 5 days back ... comparing those run times to where we are now... no doubt. Still ( and it may just be dumb luck! ) the Euro's never liked this thing. This thing has never liked 'this thing' Those two observations = the same thing... a paltry result. That's all I'm saying - That aside ... we have to remember that the Euro isn't a bad model ...hello. And, just because it kept this thing on life-support too long and had to finally "find it" in the physics eventually ...doesn't mean it will be necessarily wrong going forward.
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The models were forecasting the increasing shear though - that specific aspect should not come as a surprise... I mean, if one chooses to use the models. Despite that, why then did some models attemp "re" intensification ( more like intensification at all...) as it was moving parallel or on the coast? After acceleration commences... that might be a response ( internal physical processing) in the models of having said acceleration lower the storm-relative shear. This sort of 2ndary profile sustaining if not some regain after recurve is observed at times in the past, particularly those system running out SE of NS over the G-string en route to England ...sort of collocated ... They could be moving along at 45 mph at that point, and regaining cane 1 status... I've seen this a lot.
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Mm.. in terms of "relative error" ..I'd have to give the nod to the Euro tho - so far and overall The NAVGEM - which ...shouldn't exist as a "model" ...but just to make the point - has had a couple runs into the Category 2 range of EC abrasion all the way up. Which is intuitively laughable anyway, but using that as the upper bound... the Euro on the other hand, while being just an open wave at times taking this into the Gulf Of Mexico, does sort of win by virtue of just being weak in over all integrity ... This thing has had a low shear, high oceanic heat content since it was 800 mi E of the Windward Isles ...and it's just coughed like an old Jalopy all the way up ... Sometimes these things take a bit of reanalysis to figure out - Whatever the reason, the Euro seems to get credit in my mind for general reticence to commit to this thing...
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Oh, the official guidance designation is over land ... at our latitude ?!
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Exactly ...my sentiments. I am not sure what those modeling/wind products are based upon - I assume some sort of raw gridded imputs off the various sigma levels, then adiabats as a start... blah blah... but you just get the "feel" looking that decompressing pressure pattern and losing standard intervals so rapidly in many guidances ( not to mention, that behavior fits this system's history)... while only being 990-ish in the first place. I've seen people play Golf with wind prospects like that. I joked last night that this thing might glide over like a decoupled/detached see-through frisbie ... It floats over head and people look around vaguely aware for hearing it go by - I don't know...right now it's a busted blown out ravioli ... In fact, though it is probably just an artifice of hiding in the hi res vis loops, it almost appeals at that vaneer like the SW quadrant isn't even closing into the arc anymore. This system is a single curve wind band on the NE quad... just at first glance.
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Yeah... agreed - give 'im credit for trying, tho. Heh. but yeah no this is a very deep barotropic air mass... I bet the Bahama sounding over Logan at this point. In fact, I might have mentioned this the other day, that there were semblances in the runs for a "Bahama Blue" pattern ...and well, this is essentially it. Or at least it will be 24 hours from now. I have also opined in the ancient past how it never seems to be that a TC is actually around in the exit region of that jet down S but rats bid if we don't actually have that circumstance ...sort of. Usually, it's a lucky timing issue with a transient trough over WV and a retreating ridge the captures ... Carol and Hazel..etc Donna I think all were not really BB patterns but "got lucky" ?? I think 1938 might have been a late season BBer based on testimonials and accounts of a "...Week of sultry humid weather..." before hand but who knows. Anyway, probably it's just a matter of getting two rare phenomenon to land on the same date, ....like it's twice as rare. Oh if one is a dramatist they prefer it to be a category 3 hurricane and not one COVID coughing its way up the coast both too slow and two week and technically ... not even on the right trajectory to even remotely justify 30 f'n pages of coverage ... but, what's the alternative - right But with ...whatever form this thing has as it moves N, it will be anomalously embedded all quadrants inside a rather sub-tropical transport all the way up. The phase transition may be delayed over climo because of that. This is mostly going to be a failed momentum in the first place, then losing warm water as it fringes land. Even the Bite waters are nearing 80, ...albeit shallow, but really... That's a 'nother thing...I've often wondered if a Cat 4 ever turned the corner in these modern times ...while it is 80 F SST at buoy/station 44025 ... As a tremendous stroke of luck to civility I suppose, the climo for LI express is after Sept 5th ...when we've already shed 5 to 7 F off those shallow numbers.
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This things gliding over like a big see-through frisbee ... disconnected and decoupled
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Unless people want it to ...and then it "seems" to edge on the side of physical defiance ... sending grad-students to paper anomalies - or by the matrix engineers reasons after the fact and alters reality to maintain the illusion of randomness
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this may be the worst circumstances for the weather-model cinema reliance there can be... nothing but denied faux dystopian drama, ...culminating zero reward, followed by a banality on a scale that challenges the very endurance of man - ...rip off, then driven to ennui insanity. Nice - the irony being? that is dystopian. in a Fantasy novel ... this is like the soil-side of a metaphysical providence, one that requires your time to nourish its self, and these sort of rewardless expenditures therein are like the fruits of its garden - and this year is a bumper crop!
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that's also 20 mb shallower than the runs this time yesterday placing 960's low there by the UKMEATHEAD this thing's had nothing but tribulations and hardships getting developed all along. It'll probably do a Bob now and RI its way to Cat 3 just because I'm typing this...but, barring the kosmic dyldo having fun ...this is probably getting absorbed in the flow of 15 pages of imagnation - you know .. it's interesting .. it seems that every model has been at least partially right, while none have been correct about the evolution of this system. the Euro has never really like this thing and has been reluctantly playing catch-up to even the consensus blend... And while it presently is still stronger - even as an exposed wound - then those open wave Euro runs from a couple days ago, ...the fact that it is well short of other guidances, which had upon occasion had category 1 hurricanes, seems to give it some respect. so in contrast to that...the more developed variations were right to be less conservative - they just went way overboard.
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Wow... I was just looking at the 00z Euro's coarser synoptic progression ( 24-hrly intervals..) over at PSU E-wall... and noted that thermal ridge bulging up along and astride the eastern seaboard at 48 hours ...and immediately I thought, that must be a sneaky very torrid day on Monday. So, I went to Pivotal and looked at the 2-meter DPs and they are indeed between 75 and 80 ... in the Euro! A model that - at least from my experience - tends to be dry in the BL ... man ... meanwhile we bathe, the 850 mb overhead is 19C over Worcester nearing 00z, Monday evening. Jeez, with DPs in the 2-meter of 74 to 78 F all over SNE... ?! zomb...
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https://phys.org/news/2020-07-canadian-ice-caps-scientific.html
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Big time heat focused in sne Sunday-Tuesday to close out July
Typhoon Tip replied to weathafella's topic in New England
Shit I thought today was going to be cooler ... 'nough so to run more comfortably. F! it's 88.9 here... DP of 62 .... I'm up to 100 miles riding bike in three days ... I guess I can do it again but I'd really like a nice 6 miles run without my balls flopping between my knees -
Big time heat focused in sne Sunday-Tuesday to close out July
Typhoon Tip replied to weathafella's topic in New England
Lol - sorry for the pop cycle headache. -
heh...it's one of those deals where if it stays over water it probably is a tad stronger up this way... but if it moves over land, the models will hold on to too much structure up the coast.
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It looks a looks a little healthier this hour...
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Big time heat focused in sne Sunday-Tuesday to close out July
Typhoon Tip replied to weathafella's topic in New England
It's funny ... just last week how that tenor was diametrical to this sort of dance-around a sombre fireside poetry. It was then so gleeful, the song praised in lust for tortured heat in August, and activating tropics .. There just seemed indeterminable wealth in dystopian nourishment to feed this odd neurosis - dopamine when looking at weather charts that implicate relative dread. Now? throwing hands - ... the most observable difference? No hurricane... banal heat. Basically, no drama. Seems pretty much cause-and-"affect" Next week? ... I predict a 70 .. 80% chance that the tenor will have vagaried right back the other way. It seems there is a separate scoring that is not based upon model verification that is crucial in this "hobby" ( which I quote, because I suspect it's more than merely a hobby for many that regular - ) that is emergent. It's not weather-driven, though rooted in the same lust for drama - sure. It is a transference? It's taking the want of the dramatic expression of Nature, and creating a joy-reliance, more so based upon these modeling technologies and the virtual impressionist art of implications they may paint for the various features they illustrate out in time... And we become fixated on it - that's when it becomes a little ... probably "unhealthy" is the best word for that. Before 30 some-odd years ago... this did not exist. Yet, 'nowadays' we are inherently allowing some random aspect that's never been a part of human history and evolution, become a guide in determining the future of one's life. Fascinating really.. But, when the models seem to dwindle the drama... normalize affairs and impressions of the mid and extended ranges down to something less that a half a single standard deviation ( positive or negative ) that becomes the rainy day. It's almost like in that particular scale, 0 standard deviation modeled virtual tapestry ( which isn't even real mind us...) triggers a 10 standard deviation anomaly in internal angst if not definable as sadness ... Inverse proportionality -
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Seems over-done with pressure rising and a rapidly weakening system... I wrote about that earlier... the frictional effect of land and slowing would force the wind off the deck - particularly in weakening profiles. Yet that product looks willy-nilly mixed right plumb to the surface and I don't think that right .
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Euro has had three different solutions in three cycles or so... as others noted. This is just another idea really -