Typhoon Tip

yeah yeah yeah... ha ha ha... 'Whack-a-mole' ...fudge, couldn't remember that when typing - but right. far as I'm concerned, it's the atmospheric modeled equivalent of the Whack-a-mole winter' nice

Nah... this Euro run typifies support for the talking point - there's very little/nill predictive skill right now. That flow might very well be the fastest I've seen in the last 10 years...right through those five days right there. Incredible 100+ kt base-line trajectory speeds over the top of a flat ridges... 120 in trough nadirs... ( as a separate matter, it's negative interference between that base-line state and S/W embedded in the flow, as there's nothing remaining/differentiating the S/W from that canvas = ...new hobby ) Beyond the capacity of the technology really - features in space and time, as depicted, not worth commenting on. There's equal probability the next cycle focuses on the 24th and brings the 20th back... as there is, nothing happens of any of those ... They are like one those pop-up games at an arcade center, where you have to hammer the one that pops up and get a prize if you nail one of them.

It's funny the '80's vibe came up back there... Firstly, that image posted looks more 1977 to me... but I get it with the mullet hair-do. But then again, the cultural variance between 1972 and 1988 ( say...) is less than 2002 and 2018, just do to the fact that society's et al evolve much faster in recent modernity, because of high tech modulation is a powerful force/feedback. Interesting... Anyway, I was just thinking about that 'big' event in January 1986. It was dubbed, 'The SYZYGY' storm ... done so for landing near or on the calendar date of the planetary alignment that goes by that name. I recall there was bus-stop speculation, even heard it on TWC by someone in passing, about the tides in that thing possibly being exaggerated because of Jupiter ... hahaha - soooo 1980s. Right. But two nights before that storm, I was planning to trip to Rockport, Mass... I had a handful of snow storm desire in one hand, versus tide carnage in the other - hmm... Which do I choose? My family ( I was but a boy then...) had moved from Rockport to Acton, MA ... two years prior, a time in which I barely held up against the gale force exaggeration by these inland yokes .. exultations over the so-called, 'snow belt' of Middlesex and Worcester MA ... Meanwhile, I was looking left and right down the street for two years running; we had received pretty much no winter 1983 - 1985. I think that was the deciding factor; I had even given up. I decided to go back to Rockport for that storm for some hyper geek-out tide and wave drama, Seemed the better gamble. It was everything billed, but not quite the same as February 1978 as Frank Johnson, childhood chum who ended up with an amazing life as an camera Met for a NC station ...amazing family ...seems idelic .. At least one of us found heaven. Me? still waiting for SYZYGY I suppose - I walked outdoors that same night ... 38 F on the typical suburban kitchen window side thermometer that always read 111 F on sunny May days around 11:35 AMs. The air did not actually smelled like snow, rather rain. Just like the aroma on a humid day in June surrounding a thunderstorm's B.O. The air today ...January 15 2021 feels that way. It doesn't smell of it... but you know how that does that? Temperature and smell, they take you to setting in the past - like that favorite song. I came back home and wonder if anyone had happened upon any salacious 12z material to offset the noir emptiness of the forlorning winter .. but instead that was some dork in a mullet - I'm like, that is weird. Rockport was amazing that storm. 30 hours and four or so tide cycle's-worth. Boulders upwards of 100 lb herald onto shore roads. The cacophony of olive green walls curled and it was as though you could feel the Earth move seismically if not by the sound of their power alone. Their white wash tsunamis' easily overtook the higher beach... where in the summer towels, blankets and lawn chairs festooned laisse-faire folk clad in that which bares. This? This stuff would steal their souls for the cold alone. And as the leading edge of the tumulted torrents smashed into the granite slabs beneath the roads, towering explosions like mini thunder clouds rose above and just like anvils ripping asunder, their canopies laid down wind ..sometimes enveloping over nearby neighborhood rooftops. One physical aspect that was interesting ... the rain was white - this was before the vernacular had denoted that sort of phenomenon as cat paws, but I'm sure those were. But every once in a while ...one giant, single, solitary gulf ball sided aggregate would go by nearly parallel to the ground. You had to look for them, they were so fare ...' but there's one - just there' While that was happening, back home in Acton piled on 18" That event, to me .. was the crowning achievement of the 1980s. For I don't - for some reason - recall 1984 April. Otherwise, in 2nd place was that positive bust in late January or early February of 1987. That one was similar to December 1997, in that it was forecast 1-3 of glop ending as light rain. We ended up with 10" crusted over with sleet and ZDZ ... have received 7 inches of it with lightning and thunder. The whole decade of the 1980s to me had that one, singular crowning achievement. Since 2010.. I think I can count eight storms that exceeded 16", and countless over a foot.

I don't think this is a good pattern frankly - It may help our collective 'consternation'/frustration factor if we stopped dressing it up that way. That instills an expectation? And it may just be one that ... quite frankly appears to be faux if trend has any objective usefulness to anyone. Eventually, it's hard to refute consistency - lol. Seriously though.. Gee wiz. For every passing day and week of culminating bad model performance and unrealized verification, we keep bangin' a great pattern drum. It starts to look like its nothing more than tranced visions in medicine paint dancing around a tribal fire - I, and probably NCEP ... heh, have been noting that running a blocky 55th+ hemisphere over top of raging HC/compression ... is a modeling nightmare. Well, maybe ...just maybe that also means the pattern is a nightmare ?

mm... If it were all just about 'snow' ? Of course it wouldn't be complicated. It's more than that - it's missing an endorphin fix - sorry. Absolutely it is.. Similar to that psychotropic e-addiction expose' 60 minutes did earlier last year, where there's a smoldering epidemic in how modernity/technology's influenced humanity. And it was done deliberately by the earlier Internet sciences.. Fascinating story and how you can see evidences it everywhere ... 'blue light' pop and art drives reaction, which is satisfactorily addictive. The flavor of all that, in this social media, is the 'rush' from a big storm depiction in the models, and the cinema of it therein - Snow is hoped? absolutely...of course dude. That evades what is probably more "problematic" - although there are worse concerns facing the world, true LOL - about this yo-yoing psycho-babble bs that goes on based on a single output cycles like that which is undeniable for those of us who have long years of experience. I mean of course winter and the underpinning interests therein are certainly integral in that... But it's patently obvious, there's more than just 'snow' about the whole 'drug' when exposure to guidance when things are parlaying more dystopic - beating a dead horse. Forget all that ... even if one's sole and singular intent for this is snow snow snow...? It doesn't invalidate the point: there's no reason to = consternation over model runs and allowing a single positive return guide elation, vs a negative cycle output guiding one to despair. That is not a healthy preoccupation - I don't care what anyone says.

And it baffles the mind for me - It is coherent and obvious that there is an utter lack of deterministic/forecast verification value inherent in this chaotic and weird pattern anomaly ( an anomaly that is really Hemispheric/planetary in scale frankly - ) ... Yet, the new run comes out = consternation ? Y'allz be persecutin' yo asses

Mm not likely very factorable - never zero, of course... but just not weighted heavily enough to be substantial in the integration of all forces guiding the outcomes .. Like, the last 2,000 years of isolated fossil fuel profligate consumption in combustion and the conversion of it's exhaust into atmospheric gaseous and aerosol fluxing - now THAT is a major player ...

Not the GFS ..heh Euro ... GGEM ... UKMET in that order of relative egregiousness, sure ..but the GFS? It takes anything physically conceived in the fluid medium of space and time, and immediately moves it along a 1.1C ... violating the General Theory of Relativity by 10% the speed of light -

Yeah ...I recall that week pretty clearly ... that's what I call "wave masking" ? It's not a formal nothing so don't the average user now go beady eyed flipping through the AMS catalogue. But, I remember there was a SW trough injection through Texas ... not appreciably deep, but, the flow was temporarily split around the Dakotas ... circa the 20-23rd... That TX S/ stream wave "looked" like the headliner show for the week. It moved to roughly the longitude of the TV, whence the N /stream threatened to dump in/phase. But when the N /stream aligned neutral with the S/stream, the whole structure had already made WV's longitude ...so it was getting a bit late to get it done. Plus, the flow was overall still a bit progressive, too, which didn't lend to slowing things down and giving the phase time to evolve/maximize. Nevertheless, a wave does develop on the MA and deepens moderate relative to EC cyclone climo ...and rockets by for a moderate impact .. so not a total loss, done deal - right. Wrong. While all that was playing out... upstream over the E. Pac/west ... there was already a follow-up wave injected into the mid stream latitudes. Typically, when the models handling two waves in spacing contention - they'll start focusing on the lead wave ... (the sojourn is for the general reader - ) Those of us trial-and-true for years of hardened experience know this to be true... Though, perhaps with recent tech advancing ...parsing while maintaining coherent structure and amplitude identities is actually getting better. Who knows? Anyway, right behind the 24th result astride the East Coast, there was a +PNAP spike bulging in the ridge out west, and between ... comes said potent mid-stream wave. That sucker stole the show for the week really. It got a huge mangus structural boost ( super position kinematics...blah blah) as it was coming together ...sort of "blind" to the models... They seemed to just simply not recover the wave spacing, nor the nearby EC baroclinic gradients behind the moderate Nor'easter's departure. SO, in so far as that handling that week, the models were NOT very good at parsing out coherent structure and amplitude identities ... no. So...I've seen that before...? Really going all the way back to the 1990s modeling standards. I remember back in the day, when there were two waves in the stream... that lead wave sometimes does 'steal' the show,... but, there were times when the models did that, but it seemed to hide the system behind - 1996 December did this... Those back to back relative bombs were like this. The models had them interfering all week and the tussle kept them flat... but while the models were arguing in that fight, reality had other plans.

I'm almost wondering ... heh, could this whole white-noise disarray of incalculable shit dapplet destinations, spraying upon the cromakeys of computer enhanced hellucination ... might have something pop with only three days notice ? I mean hell... lack of foresight does mean lack of crap happening - it just mean the 'super agency' that runs the cosmic lubing is coming at us in the dark. I'm being double dirty entendre' here.. Seriously, look at the 00z GFS operational run. No interest in that Euro run, that the Euro had on its 12z depiction ... for the 22nd. Meanwhile, the 00z Euro, also completely fowl swooped it off the charts like falcon of misfortune upon the fragility of trying to manage anything at all on D9 in this godforsaken maelstrom. And while all that is happening ...? Curiously, that same GFS run sneaks one of those rarer ALB-Logan transit narrow cyclogenesis scenarios and brings snow for the 20th... The 20th? Never was in the previous deck of cards - So, ...the 06z is less interested... par for the course. Really what is going on is that the occupation/engagement in here, in so far as satisfying the 'fun' of model cycle released products is specifically and singularly being diminished. But there could still be stuff precipitating out of a hurried, highly complex ( too much so for guidance it is proving...) hemisphere. Short notice may be the way to go... Lord, would I love to see unfold a top 10 historical bomb with only like 54 hours notice, during modern conceit of technology - ho man... This may be a dream pattern come true for that sort of weird fetish

Worry anyway... as in 'already,' if one is concerned with determinism and accuracy. I mean "worry" only happens if there's investment first. Don't. I hit on this hard the last couple of days - not sinking in? ( not you per se but to the general audience in here...) "- its probably a red herring anyway. I think that error is going to be ginormous in that time frame. We're probably going to be looking a different cinema at different time intervals on every run... " That's one rendition of the same sentiment peppered throughout a couple pages back in the aught-teens of this thread's century - which... anyone want to start a new January part dieux ?? But ... people don't seem to allow good advice in here ...actually modulate their thinking LOL In this case, not actually believing any storm set up beyond 4 days, at all, would have been the appropriate recourse imho - so much so that it even ( technically ...) should really preclude even worry. As in, there was nothing to invest in ... before the worry in the first place. It's like the pattern and reality of it is trying to change people's hobbies and drive them away from this engagement because the purpose of being here ... the cinema joy circuitry shit ? Cannot be achieved at all - zero ability to get y'all to those highs. Unless one is moved by delusion - okay. Excessively high futility for any time range beyond 4 days, when there is a -4 SD blocking hemisphere over top a +2 or +3 base-line velocity saturation.

ICON Euroesque re 22nd

So ...coarse or not... load up this web site and count the number of GEF members that are NOT doing what the EPS or the operational Euro wanna do with that time frame. http://www.meteo.psu.edu/fxg1/ENSHGT_12z/ensloop.html I think it's all of them... ?

I distinctly recall those Feb 2015 three nor'easters as all being < 10 F boundary layer talcum powder mass-of-snow lies... .7" liquid at 38::1 or something ha But, this system on this Euro is warmer by a couple Venuses worth compared to those events back in that Feb.

wow...yeah, that's really managing perfection through them 3 days leading... every aspect has to be timed quintessentially just - It's not physically impossible, obviously. What this run is doing is a partial subsume... It's blasing a S / stream wave really hyper quickly ripping along the 37th parallel, and it is so fast that the N / stream only delivers half it's genetic material ... this is cyclone should end up with Down's Syndrome and - wait ... what... Wrong class... But you can see that closed 522 dm contour up there straddling the Can/U.S. border left behind after the partial phase... ? that's some of the N/stream late to the party... It's like it starts to infuse, and then the translation speed of the S wave rips the union away before it is complete. Oh, right! It's a blue-balls winter storm -

It's so diametrical how this engagement works ... perceptional matters. It's really deeper than hell or higher the heaven. When shits not working out in here, ...Satan's taking notes to up his/her game by example hiding envy - lol... God would to prefer save civilities from Cosmic Ray Burst doom ... if he/she only knew how to get one of these godforsaken D8 Euro fantasies to stem-wind the host galaxy in order to save that world -

yeah it's doable ...just a little leery because what you're suggesting - or any other way for that matter... - is a helluva a lot of engineering schematics to fumble around with that perfect sequencing - yeah no problem right?

Miami Rule ...

It's on the radar yup. SE ridge is not a death sentence: it is workable to get the cryo mayhem and dystropian society disruptions going ...phew ( almost had a run-in with peace and tranquility!) And the pathway to impact is indeed overrunning. Kidding aside, I don't see how we are getting a robust -EPO concurrent with a -NAO (that is hybrid positioned between neutral and western limbed ... ) with a heat source underneath without that potential.

Well... I am not "preoccupied" with shit frankly... If it's in play, it's in play. If people had more awareness, understanding ..thus, respect and acceptance there... they would be likely talking about it too and I would not stand out as lone point of 'playground tactical ridicule' You may have noticed, I haven't also mentioned HC on my own accord as of late - but only did so this morning because you and Will and Scott...you're bringing up more and more lately and pinning it to my name for jocularity ... which, I'm good with ribbing and stuff... but it also carries along a soupcon of undeniable attitude -

You don't have to say "Jesus, John..." ..or rail off into that other sophomoric blather about gayness haha we're only having a conversation here - please don't assign attitude to black and white text. lol - just trying to get why you said it... not a big deal sport

What's ur point? "Sounds" like there's intimation in there to refute the HC's involvement ? I'd would disagree if that's true - we are superimposing two positive factors = enhancement of total result. Wave mechanics are like that... two positively interfering factors = 5 ... Think of rogue way theory in the open ocean as a reasonably metaphor - the arena of the sea and the ocean of the air are after all .. both wave problems. But, there are two forms of wave interferences that can lead to rogue wave production: Linear; Non-linear Linear is when two waves come along with harmonic timing, and then fuse their energy, and the peak of the wave exceeds the 'apparent' input. Non-linear is when you have two competing wave functions propagating through a system, ...call them function A, and function B. A ... bleeds energy off into B... at some crucial threshold of absorption, A's appearance seems to fall to negligible ( if transiently...) in lieu of a sudden and majestically towering B ... and floundered Edmond Fitzgerald's ...etc..etc.. Both these mathematically backed theories on wave interference satisfy wave results in the open sea... They do also in the atmosphere. But, the migraine only starts there...because they both happen at the same time. But, HC is a wave... La Nina is a wave... so to are the individual S/W and L/Ws...which ride along and help to define wave-function C .. D .. E .. F ...N wave spaces. They interact along these types of interference circuits above ...cannot be removed. By the way... HC is not my theory or observation - although...I noticed something was up with the wind velocities and the winter-time heights staying insidiously elevated in the deep S about 15 years ago ..and upon hearing of the HC stuff it's pretty damningly correlated in my mind.

Yup...I was looking over shit this morning and thinking ... same old shit. It just won't relent with this buckshotting - spraying S/W in a rage really is both a deterministic/forecaster's nightmare, but also a modeling proof that models can't model that. I mean I'm seeing both machine and human intelligence gaffs going on as of late... All these Twitter reposts, and none of those have really bore much resemblance to what was anticipated or averred ... I mentioned this yesterday and I think it needs to really sink in and be underscored - fast flow with blocking overarching the polar index domain spaces performs severely ungood! People should go ahead a continue to rip and read model solutions from D8's ... post in here and open dialogue - it's all good. Because it is the scaffold of this particular engagement .. serving as an escape and for many, another social outlet - blah blah... But understand that you're talking about the fun movie you once just saw. It's not real. It's state-of-the-art's best it can do in a time when entropy and chaos are overwhelmingly large influential emergences across the bevy of technology solutions. Actual forecaster value? We are about as close to Futile as we were in a D10 MRF solution from circa 1986, for D6 given this era we're destined to enter. So why? ..Oh, you're asking me? okay - It's because of the HC working synergistically in concert with the ENSO - which we seemed to intimate we agreed recently? It is both impossible to deny that relationship as it is difficult to parse either's influence as more or less dominant in that relationship - thus the result on the flow construct. But, I'm seeing that massively displaced and amplified ( both z-coordinate and areal expansive) west Pacific and eastern Asian PV as plausibly being synergistic. The HC anomaly enhances easterly trades as a base-line state; so, too, does the La Nina. But that piling of warm water really enrichens the wester Pac latent heat source, and then when the Boreal colder heights crept in over Autumn, the flow thus greatly accelerated coming off Asia over and through the WPO domain. That incredible focus at huge mass quantities and scales is driving the vortex because basic Met theory, heights fall polarward of jet cores... it does this at all scales - so...all that is generating the PV N of Japan/S of Kamchatka and it is pulling the AO negative by virtue. I don't know if this ever will parlay to better forecasting behavior in mid and extended range guidance this winter ... because if following, logic dictates that mess near Japan is actually anchored by longer term major factors constructively enhancing one another... That's code for not likely to change. And I don't have much confidence in the man intelligence because as a credit to my own conceit ( LOL ... ) I suspect I'm the only person that sees all these and explores both limitations and advantages to the circumstances at large. Now...that does not preclude "getting lucky" - ...that outta get the fun popsicle headache of useless argument going... Seriously, the strong flow over the western/central Pack, terminating near the 140 W region as a SW ridge climb...is sending a -PNAP across the mid latitudes of the U.S/ Canada... Meanwhile, we are blocking over top ( as already discussed..). It's spraying inharmonic wave crap underneath wobbling blocks, both in real time and model permutations ...

Mm.. I can see or suspect what your after/why saying so but synoptic evolution as it portends to favorable vs unfavorable for storm realization - I think .. just imho so don't launch - brings better return rate. Are you "sort of" bearing in mind the old mantra, "...most warnings don't actually produce tornadoes" ?? Different beast. In fact, I would argue that most large scale systemic pattern indigestions do actually produce a 'corrective event' at some form of scale or another/geographic realization. I think the difference is IMBY ( as the vernacular goes...). Most synoptic pattern changes do produce, just not in one's back yard ever times, versus, most supercells don't produce. Not quite as bad as apples and oranges... maybe more like apples and pears. just sayn'

Well thank god for seasonal lag because in three weeks the solar nadir is over