jm1220

If you mean 2009-10 it was a moderate Nino with a strong Subtropical jet, which is great for places south of Philly. 2010-11 was a moderate Nina I believe with strong blocking, which was a much better winter from Philly on north. DC had much less from what I know.

Wow-AZ with over 12000 cases today? A lot of that must be backlog?

Urban heat island and coastal affects already showing up this evening. Down to about 28 in my area but on the LI Sound/South shore and in NYC still in the mid to upper 30s.

Ugh. I remember living through that one at PSU and it being a nasty ice event.

Shame. This could’ve been a big snow event here with a little better interaction within the trough and some more space from the last storm.

So much for the stinger...

The thing is it's still happening? The CCB held on pretty well until about now where it's dying down south of ME. The rates/flakes were that crappy? My precip ended by 2pm and I'm not that far from you.

That's pretty awesome. You'll probably have another 2/5/10 equivalent there 2-3x this winter. F*** that event for me, 13" vs 1" was 20 miles apart and I was on the bad side of... anyway,

Thing is yes they do when the storms set themselves up. State College had the best outcome from the Mar 1993 superstorm and also Mar 1994 from how those evolved (over 24"), and in the early 2000s they did really well. Flip side is when a storm like 1/22/05 happens where I was dryslotted there after 2 hours of heavy snow but Long Island had 12"+. Literally seemed like a huge evolution towards big coastal storms happened as soon as I moved there. 2/14/07 was a particular kick in the gonads, for days models had us getting 18"+ but the mid level warming surged past us when we had about 6" and a ton of sleet after. Central PA can be a gold mine in the right setup but otherwise crap particularly east of where the upslope/lake effect dead stops which State College is about 20 miles east of.

How much I wished as an undergrad that Penn State was in Somerset County PA where parts average that much or more vs. State College's mid 40s less than 100 miles away (which we only made one year I was there). Want to get into insane gradients, head to lake effect/snowbelt country.

Yep. That dropped 4-6" here but I remember how it bombed in time for you guys and had slightly colder air like this one was supposed... The Feb trip I took though was a nightmare. I remember seeing a truck spinning out on the Mass Pike in my direction and just missing it. Getting out of NYC in a sleetstorm wasn't easy either. That sucked. When I got to Boston and kissed the ground it was raining as the storm was ending but there was 4-5" on the ground I'd guess. I moaned about how lousy 18-19 was but considering last winter it wasn't too bad snow-wise.

I remember driving up there in Mar 2019 for a work event and seeing the huge piles of snow and being jealous. In Feb that year I had to drive to an event at the Boston Museum of Science in a sleet/ice event by me to snow in MA and praying I wouldn't die on the Mass Pike. Fun times.

Given the reports I guess Northborough didn't do so well after all.

We've had our share of marginal big producing events down here such as 3/21/18 (total crusher, up to 18" of cement here), 11/15/18 (not a huge event but totally unexpected, Long Island had up to 6" when we were supposed to have brief snow mix to rain) and 11/7/12 right after Sandy, but 1-2 degrees higher would've probably meant those were nothing. You would just think with a bombing nor'easter it would make it happen, and none of those other than 11/7/12 were really classic nor'easters. 3/21/18 sort of but I believe that didn't come north of HFD-PVD. 11/15/18 was mostly a big WAA event that I think you guys got in on as well.

Yep, New England was in the mid-50s for a high yesterday and no cold air coming in before the storm. Big red flag. I had the same white rain today even in the meat of the CCB which in a better airmass would drop 2"/hr. Never would've thought Boston might end up with close to the same outcome. What a waste.

Jeez-sorry. That sucks. Never would've guessed an Oct storm would outdo an early Dec bombing nor'easter on a great track for you guys (and us down here, many others)

Yikes-Boston under 1"? Has to count as a bust if true, they were under a warning after all.

It was a fight back and forth in the meat of that CCB but there was a point where it was mostly snow here but obviously no accum. Elevation probably helped somewhat here for whatever that was worth today.

PA again with a horrible number, over 11000 new cases today and 134 deaths. And it seems very spread out through the state, not just the cities (Philadelphia hasn't even reported yet on Worldometers ). They will definitely be under severe strain soon if not already. And that will affect the NYC metro area for sure with the number of commuters/travelers back and forth.

Yep, went about as expected in our sub-forum area. Thanks for the detailed analysis as always.

Oh absolutely. That's crazy.

I'm waiting still for the 47" the NAM promised me for Nemo Feb 2013. And the worst is when the news networks start showing them, I remember Janice Huff on NBC4 showing one of those insane NAM runs that gave Central Park 30" (Central Park ended up with 12" I believe), and then people panicked and swarmed the gas stations again like after Sandy. I think the news stations are a little better with this now but not much. Sensationalism sells.

Clown maps in general are terrible and function as eye candy really. But the models were really blowing up a good CCB starting from NYC on NE, which I guess happened but wasn't enough to really overcome the mild air. The NAM especially and even some Euro runs were turning my backyard over to a period of heavy snow enough to accumulate maybe 1-3" which I didn't believe, but maybe that was something of a warning when it didn't pan out and my area couldn't manage more than some white rain, R/S mix. GFS is usually too warm at the surface but maybe it verified better?

Yep, you would think with a cold airmass and a high in place ahead of this that the overrunning would have been better and more ingredients to bomb out the low. It definitely did take a good track though for many of us even down to the Philly area. Big waste other than the areas that did do well today.

DT was right, kudos deserved for him. I was thinking in terms of how these storms often go for New England with a colder airmass. I guess this airmass really is that lame.