SnowGoose69

Isn’t it headed for 8? I mean I’ve looked at nothing being on vacation but if it’s really headed for 4 or 5 DT and JB both blatantly lied on Twitter last night

The pattern the next 2 weeks is sort of pre climate change warm. It’s very much 1970-1988 bad. Not 1989-2019 torch shutout bad. I wouldn’t even be surprised if places like BWI/DCA pulled off a snow event in the next 14 days

The pattern is more of a bad 70s/80s pattern than a 90s/2000s shutout all out torch. Something may pop at anytime in the next 15 days that produces snow where as we were totally hopeless for large portions of winters the last 20-25 years

I never look at the CFS but I swore I saw posts here a week ago saying it was insanely cold for January. That must have been a different version of it

We’ve torched 2 consecutive Februarys so I have to figure this time we won’t

Yup. I bought the first new car of my life in June of 2018 (sonata) and because I had no loan history at all at nearly age 40 and only one credit card I got a lousy 5.8% loan rate. To make it more shocking I payed 50% in cash too so my loan was for a lousy 14,500 and 2 banks despite a credit score of 740-750 straight up turned me down due to lack of history. People often ask me why did you not just pay the whole car off then? I said because I wanted to get some sort of history on my record before buying a house. I payed the loan off a few months ago in one shot. My credit score is now 812. Meanwhile the 2018 Sonata has had some issues for sure. A couple of times it has not immediately started in cold weather and I've had to hit the button 4-5 times. Some folks in the Plains/Midwest last winter could not get them started at all and had to have the solenoid assemblies replaced. Oddly enough it was never recalled to this day.

My first thought when I read this was 12/4/91 or the 1/16/92 bust but this one I don't remember.

The 12/26/93 storm was miserably and I mean miserably handled by NOAA/local mets etc. They completely abandoned ship off a slight shift east in the 12Z guidance that morning despite the fact by noon the radar along the DE/MD coast was clearly west of the 12Z models. I think all warnings outside Suffolk got dropped and by 3-4pm it was obvious the snow was coming straight up the coast. They ended up having to put advisories back up by 7-8pm.

To an extent. If you have a “pig ridge” massive EPO ala 93-94 or 13-14 then in essence it’s nearly impossible to have a -NAO. You can have a -AO though in that setup because the ridge can extend so far north it’s poking more or less near the pole and causing higher heights there. However, an EPO as strong as we saw for long durations of those 2 seasons more or less correlates to lower heights in the area across NE Canada towards Baffin Island. Any semblance of a -NAO would be very east based

That bomb of a storm in the plains that gave Oklahoma City like 2 feet on 12/24/09 pretty much torched the MA and then gave them rain. I thought they had a snow pack still on 12/25 though. I was at Skins/Giants on 12/22 and there was plenty of snow down there still

That was dangerously close to being a catastrophe of a bust. The system started sliding more east than expected and nearly ending up missing a good part of the area. I remember that evening around 6pm sitting at home thinking this is really going to bust isn’t it? It ultimately slid far enough east that most of northern Jersey didn’t see major snows

The 5 boroughs of NYC were never under a winter storm watch one time from March 1996 til 12/29/00. That shows you how pathetic things were in regards to winter storms in that period. January 2000 because the storm snuck up on us at the last second they went straight from nothing to a winter storm warning otherwise the streak would have been 11 months shorter

The next week is a good example of how even when the Pac sucks if the AO and NAO are negative it’s fairly hard to have an all out torch pattern in the East because you can’t set up a long term SE ridge unless your NAO is very east based

That’s such a weak amplitude wave I’m not sure it would have any major impact

No question radar is slightly ahead of models now a tad. Does not mean that'll hold up downstream though.

The 80s was largely a ton of bad luck. It was an abnormally low snow period for the area. NYC should never go 8 years between 8 inch snow events

I think the cold AMO incoming will shut things off significantly in a few years. It may not be 1970s and 80s bad but I'm betting we will start seeing colder winters with less major storms more often

It seems we have returned to the usual N and W winters being better the last few years

That assumes NYC even measures it in time. Remember a few Saturdays ago they likely got 0.5-0.7 or so but never measured in time and reported a trace

The bad forecast is what led to it. DOT thinks it was something else so now they overreact. Anytime a daytime snow forecast is blown it leads to a catastrophic commute. It happened on 2/11/83, 1/22/87, 12/5/03 and last November and always will. Anytime snow is forecast beyond an inch or two many more people work from home or commute via public transport

Ticked about 15-20 miles north with the snow

There simply isn’t enough East gradient with this event to get areas just inland warm enough. We basically have winds going 060-070 tonight at 5-10kts. That works for the coast but might not even work for a place like EWR

Depending how heavy this initial shot comes in it’s possible there could be a surprising 2-3 hour period of snow in the area. If it’s not heavy I’m not sure it’ll overcome the possible mid level warming

Well many here would lock in the 00Z HRRR from 00-06z tomorrow night from NYC north. Unfortunately its never right that far out

The temp issue does not surprise me. The GFS is getting worse over time it seems with low level cold. The evolution of the setup is probably too complicated as well. Models tend to struggle in these setups where you've got a dying wave of WAA precip as we do here then almost an entirely new system taking over. They usually end up massively blowing some aspect of it. This is why the belt from NYC to where you are is so tough tomorrow because they could bust both on the initial WAA area not dying as fast as expected and then the 2nd round being earlier/colder