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I'm focused on your op GFS guidance for the 11th-12th and 19th-20th... Hmmm...mighr be something going on, at least I84. It's Feb . If USA and Canadian guidance at 12 hours can be in error by 4F, who is to know for sure on what the next two weekends bring.
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About Verification: Low this morning CP I think was 4 above. EC was cyclically consistent at +2 to 5F; 18z ish/3 blend of models looked like a low of +10. 12z/3 MOS MET +8, 12z/3 MOS MAV +6. Let the data do the talking. Have to be careful about the guidance usage, especially critical situations.
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For what it's worth, this will have been the coldest outbreak of the winter I80 north to Canada. NYC low at least 6 above (maybe it will drop to 5?). Our home in Wantage is -2...4F colder than Dec 23. Looks to me like that BGM rule worked out well.
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So, BGM is +1 at 2P. I see that ye have a slight snow cover. My guess per EC consistently +3F low temp CP last several cycles NYC is a low of +3, but because of snow depth at BGM, maybe I can allow for a highest MIN tonight of +6F. Let's see what happens. I'll acknowledge the bad too cold forecast at 8A tomorrow. For now I'll say a Low in CP tonight of +3 to +6, coldest of the winter so far. BUT, blend of models looks like a low of +10. MOS MET +8, MOS MAV +6. Wantage in nw NJ..our lowest on 12/23 was +2. Am going for -1 here tonight. Temp down to 12.6 here at 250P. Glad to see I84 is in the mix now for the 2/11-12 time frame, all models. All ensembles at 12z have some small chance of +2" snow depth change just N of I84...so that would mean some ice and marginal temps. This at 228 hours is not promising and certainly for now, nix for LI. I wish it were better.
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Good check... it has been holding pretty close to within 2F of 3 above the past 10+ cycles (EC OP cycles every 6 hours). I am going to go for a low in CP within 2F of the BGM 2PM temp (barring it's snowing heavily at 2P there). That as I recall (please correct me old timers) was a good rule of thumb. My guess is close to 5F. EPS from 00z/3 seems to have 4F at 12z/4. EPS about 4-6F colder than the CMCE,GEFS, SREF. Let's see what happens. If it does get down to 5F without snow cover in the lower Hud Valley, quite a feat.
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Thank you Don. One thing I am noticing in Feb... despite above normal, it doesn't look as warm as it did in January. Certainly GEFS ensembles are muted on warmth...while the CMCE is much more aggressive on warmth. All ensembles imply an event of some sort (ice or snow) I80 corridor northward to Canada 2/10-12. Canadian op needs to get on board. At least EC op has a chance and the GFS--- might be a little overboard in what has been a severe dud of a winter I84 corridor southward.
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Any hope in the weeklies for the last week of Feb or March... something akin to normal?
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In summary and others can add detail: Jan was a record warm month with no measurable snow. The first measurable of the season occurred at DCA, BWI, PHL,NYC near 5AM this morning Feb 1. Additionally, I think we're continuing our streak of record consecutive above normal days through Jan 31. I believe it's 35.
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yes it was, virtually entire I95 corridor measured DCA to very close to BOS.
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The answer is in... All 4 sites in the megalopolis from DCA-BWI-PHL-NYC measured early today... first measurable. 0.2-0.4" Not sure if anyone saw the flake size in mid town Manhattan around 5A... snow ratios were probably close to 10 to 1 per guidance.
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Yes... I posted on their FB page seeking answers. Thanks
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So far, as I know it, NYC and PHL first measurable of the winter. Waiting on DC and BWI for which I have yet to find out. EC much too heavy with its good axis (18z/31 op) and Canadian models a bit too robust and too far north to I84.
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I noticed the 12z/31 EC reverted back to its brutal forecast of 12z/30...the 00z/31 moderated. I don't know what will happen, especially without snow cover but north-northwest (340 degs) wind delivery makes it easier to get close to 2 above Sat morning-i.e. coldest since Jan 2019...again I don't venture confidence for a CP low of 2 above? .Also can parts of LI have flurries from sound effect snow Fri night-Saturday morning. I would think heavy freezing spray seems possible but that's all NWS to figure out.
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Let's see what happens: AGAIN!!!! EC late to the table for a minor event, but one that will be important for the climo annals. AND... if the EC is right... 1" could mean a bunch of accidents s of I80 tomorrow morning. I also noticed and not posted here, but the 12z EPS snowfall has grown from nothing 12z/30 to widespread amounts in NJ/e PA/LI. Let's see what happEns. I'm worried I in Wantage in extremenw NJ will have only Trace but I can see a non-issued hazard for much of NJ/parts of LI tomorrow morning (SPS I think).
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Trace snow NYC so far today, so it did snow. and whatever happened s LI central NJ this aftn.
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Kind of looks like tonight is your night for first measurable and I think PHL too... Midnight to 9AM. 10 to 1 ratio before dawn and maybe 12 to 1 as it ends. N of I80... fluffy whatever occurs at 12 to 14 to 1 ratios. Here's hoping, Think our Canadian did a pretty good job again, for last night and EC finally at 18z/30... late to the table. EC shutout looks a little shaky to me.
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Prediction of the first snowfall for the NYC area.
wdrag replied to MJO812's topic in New York City Metro
Kind of looks like tonight is your night for first measurable and I think PHL too... Midnight to 9AM. 10 to 1 ratio before dawn and maybe 12 to 1 as it ends. -
Not going to post CoCoRaHs reports .. you're welcome to do so. Basically 0.1-0.7" entire I84 corridor per all the reports received as of about 8AM. Mostly melt on pavement lower elevations but some slippery areas in the hills. 12z HRRR continues to look minor interesting midnight tonight to 8AM Wednesday BWI-PHL-NYC and I84 I78 corridors.
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Exciting: Wantage NJ. So far 0.1" snowfall this morning Jan 31, probably since about 345A. pavement so far generally wet with possibly slight slippery spots. 30F. Was 45 here at 1035P last eve before dropped sharply. snowflakes mostly small. More this morning here in Wantage til about 7A. Am pretty sure of another 1-4 hour period of light snow or flurries much of NYC subforum tomorrow morning between 1A-8A. LI might pick up spotty 1" at worst. Does NYC-CP measure: probably not today tho should see snow-sleet 7A-9A, and maybe a flurry at Noon today. Tomorrow morning could be a slightly better chance of 0.1"?
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Wantage NJ 4A..snowing lightly. Trace on the ground and 30.4. Should measure out here in nw NJ.
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Possibly of little interest to the nw-ne suburbs forum due to the minuscule expectations but modeling is amping slightly for early Tuesday. It's possible there will be fairly widespread 1 tenth to 6 tenths inch snow accumulation in nw NJ - Sussex County as well as much of the I84 corridor excepting valleys. I suspect there will need to be road treatments in northern Sussex County NJ Tuesday morning as well as in CT/se NYS and of course ne PA. That could result in 1-2 hour school delays Tuesday morning. We'll have to wait and see but treated surfaces should be mostly wet. Just be alert when stepping out of doors ne PA, far nw NJ into se NYS and much of interior CT at dawn Tuesday as temps drop below freezing with either on going snow-sleet, or wintry precip having just quit but icing up in the hour around sunrise.
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Might want to monitor what falls tomorrow (Tuesday) morning in NYC 6A-8A... slight chc it could be interesting and measurable??? Modeling amping up a bit on this cold frontal passage and fairly sharply falling temps with on-going qpf.
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IF zero occurs in CP... I think that would be amazing WITHOUT snow cover, despite whatever CP can measure Tuesday and Wednesday morning at 12z (presuming there is a short period of snow each morning)
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06Z/30 GFS for the first time offer exceedingly minor measurable snowfall for NYC/PHL areas early Wed. EC shutout all this week. UK/Canadian, especially RGEM-RDPS while sagging a little south from previous days (I84) have been constantly advertising a period of snow for PA/NJ/LI Tue night, as has the ICON(not my favorite model). Don't know what to say except for my friends, I'm continuing the 'possibility' of a dusting. Also of note and probably already discussed: I want to think the EC has gone off the deep end at 132 hours or thereabouts, but offers all of our area the coldest temps of the winter, including brutally cold wind chills that if verified would be near WARNING for most of our subforum. Even without snow cover, the low temp in NYC could be the coldest since Jan 2019? I don't want to believe the subzero on the EC and will accept that it's too extreme which makes the wind chill too extreme. Does look like a serious 1-2 day cold shot.
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For the ensemble checkers within our membership: The Canadian and United States ensembles are similar through 10 days-nothing major but offering a mean of 1-4" VA to New England whilst the European has been suppressing chances and less than 1". Ensembles tend to be conservative because of the spread in their multiple solutions. It's been an unusual and overall warm winter here in the eastern USA but I think there has to be a hazardous event sometime between Tue the 31st and Tue Feb 7 from VA to New England. Whether that includes first measurable snow of the season DCA-NYC??? It's sort of between 1/31-2/7, thereafter odds for sticking seem to decrease considerably 2/8-15.
