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Yeah, that's some BS.

Now that's something I have an issue with. Two different sets of rules... Hopefully, if the fans are mandated to be vaccinated, the players are as well.

In the mean time, the people who are unhappy about the developments with the J&J vaccine and others not getting vaccinated quick enough need to keep doing what the CDC has recommended since the beginning of the pandemic (and as well as encouraging others to do the same): *Maintain 6 feet distance from other individuals *Wear a mask at all times around other people when outside your home *Don't attend medium / large gatherings

People have been dying out there for well over a year. A brief pause to ensure the vaccine is as safe as it possibly can be makes little difference. And let's be clear. It's not like the government has banned the vaccine or is coming in to confiscate the supplies that have already been distributed. Once they complete their review, if all checks out, states can go right back to injecting people immediately. EDIT: And another point. This has no impact on the Moderna or Pfizer vaccines which are still being given to people as we type.

If this pause can help them discover ways to decrease risk from (just using random numbers I pulled out of thin air) 2% to 1%, or ensure the risk isn't greater than originally judged, that's a good thing IMO.

That's pretty gross hyperbole, and unhelpful IMO. The CDC and FDA (two government agencies that were created for the sole purpose of helping to ensure the medical products we use are safe) are doing the responsible thing and asking state to pause the vaccinations just to be certain there isn't a deeper issue with the J&J vaccine that would require more research and correction. If this form of due dillegence delays our mission for a few more days, then so be it. In the grand scheme of things, given this pandemic has been ongoing for well over a year, that's hardly a long time.

Yep. Then the other thing too is, it's not that states aren't getting enough vaccine doses, but rather they are still suffering from the lack of staff / volunteers to support with the vaccinations, as well as easily accessible sites where individuals can go to be vaccinated. I know someone in Michigan who tried getting an appointment for days. They were eventually able to get one, but not without going through a hell of a time. Given the situation and the choices available, I do think the Biden's administration's response to instead help Michigan distribute the supply it already has faster (by sending more vaccinators) was the right answer.

Also, if in fact Michigan has reached its peak in COVID cases with this surge, IMO increasing the vaccine supply to the state really wouldn't make a difference at this point. Too little, too late.

From the Mayo Clinic: COVID-19 vaccine myths debunked https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/featured-topic/covid-19-vaccine-myths-debunked Myth: I won't need to wear a mask after I get vaccinated for COVID-19. Fact: It may take time for everyone who wants a COVID-19 vaccination to get one. Also, while the vaccine may prevent you from getting sick, it is unknown at this time if you can still carry and transmit the virus to others. Until more is understood about how well the vaccine works, continuing with precautions such as mask-wearing and physical distancing will be important.

You too. And you're going to wear yourself out running interference people who are pedaling pseudoscience.

In the mean time (aside from yet another "conditional" threat today): ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Posting a graph for others to interpret the data themselves is one thing. Editorializing the numbers on a graph with conclusions not based on scientific evidence, such as... "Once 60 - 70% of people are vaccinated, we'll reach herd immunity" or "80% of people are vaccinated." or "We'll be at herd immunty by the end of May." ...is misinformation, which is what several people were doing. There's a difference. But nice try though.

Yeah. Being kind and assuming they're joking, it's definitely in poor taste and uncalled for.

I know. Stuck between a rock and a hard place. But even if she did step down, I don't think her successor could do anything different to change the situation.

None of the other governors stepped down when they made alleged missteps with their handling of the virus. I don't think we should hold Whitmer to such a standard either.

Yes. Like I said, I didn't call anyone silly, and I don't appreciate you claiming that I did when it's not true.

You said I called *PEOPLE* silly, which was another lie. Why do you insist on spreading more falsehoods and moving goal posts?

lol. I've heard everything now.

The vaccines are being distributed according to population. If more are sent to Michigan, then other states would get fewer doses. Also, even if they sent more vaccines, it wouldn't do anything to stop the surge now since it takes two weeks before it provides immunity. That said, the Biden administration has taken other action to help with Michigan's surge in COVID cases: https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/biden-to-rush-vaccinators-to-michigan-as-gov-urges-limits/2483025/

I didn't call anyone silly. Don't put words in my mouth. I said it was completely unrealistic, and given that *ALL* people won't even be close to *FULLY* vaccinated by the Summer, my opinion still stands that the idea we'll be maskless by the Summer is completely unrealistic.

There's a difference between having a difference of opinion, and making a proclamation as if it's a fact. If they had said, for example: "Based on the current vaccination numbers being reported by the CDC, I feel comfortable engaging in normal activities again." ^^^That's one thing. But instead, when they make authoritative statements like: "Once 60 - 70% of people are vaccinated, we'll reach herd immunity" or "80% of people are vaccinated." or "We'll be at herd immunty by the end of May." ^^^Those are problematic comments because they're factually incorrect and not backed by any scientific evidence, thus should be called out as such.

You posted that 80% of people are vaccinated. That's not true, and most definitely misleading if you meant to say something else. For you to claim you got that information from the CDC, who said nothing of the sort, is also dishonest.

CDC chief says Michigan should ‘shut things down,’ vaccinating alone won’t stop Covid surge https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/12/covid-shutdown-cdc-chief-says-vaccinating-alone-wont-stop-michigan-covid-surge.html

For your information, this is the post I was referring to: Again, the CDC has said nothing of the sort. Furthermore, the poster you're referring to has been moving the goal posts. This is what they originally said (and BTW, they didn't specify they were talking about people age 16+ in this post): In any event, this is what the CDC has actually said: 1. Individuals are not fully vaccinated until they receive 2 doses. 2. Their definition of herd immunity accounts for people of *ALL* ages being *FULLY* vaccinated. 3. The herd immunity threshold is still unknown. I don't know what you're trying to gain from running interference for people who are not being truthful and instead seek to mislead. But just know that covering for propagandists never ends well for you.

Or, you can just not attend large gatherings at all like the scientists at the CDC have advised. I know everyone'a different, but I'm not in a hurry to get in the middle of a crowd.