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Central Pa. Summer 2024
TheClimateChanger replied to mahantango#1's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
I'd probably trust the experts at CPC more than a model, no?- 6,666 replies
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Central Pa. Summer 2024
TheClimateChanger replied to mahantango#1's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
I didn't say anything about dropping it - just said it was inflated. We can see it looks to be running 2F warmer by daytime maxima than this year: But if we compare to the same location where the observation was made. Much of that disappears, and it is less than 1F warmer at Capital City Airport. But it's also inflated compared to surrounding observations, although there are a few sites that had similarly high readings. It looks like 1966 was a drought year, perhaps locally more severe drought conditions caused the grass and sod surrounding the thermometer site to die resulting in artificially inflated readings. If we look at the Hagerstown thread, we find 1966 only in 32nd place for warmest to date, tied with 1999 & 1934. At Williamsport, 1966 is only 112th warmest [of 130 years], tied with 1983, 1945 & 1918. This also means it's tied for 16th coldest to date. At Philadelphia, 1966 is only 54th warmest to date, tied with 2023, 1955 & 1932. This means there is a wide range in characterizing the temperature of 1966 in the region. Some places record it as a cold summer (IPT), some places as a lukewarm/moderate summer (PHL, HGR), and some as a hot summer (MDT, RDG, ABE). By contrast, this scorching summer is in the Top 4 hottest to date at all six of these long-term, first order, ThreadEx sites: RDG (#1), MDT (#1), IPT (#2), HGR (#2), PHL (#3), ABE (#4).- 6,666 replies
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Central Pa. Summer 2024
TheClimateChanger replied to mahantango#1's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
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Central Pa. Summer 2024
TheClimateChanger replied to mahantango#1's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
Does anyone know how the NWS determined how much rain fell at HGR the other day? I saw some discussion here. The precipitation sensor had failed and wasn't reporting any rainfall accumulation. The precipitation data was originally listed as "missing" but now they are reporting 2.93" fell.- 6,666 replies
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Occasional Thoughts on Climate Change
TheClimateChanger replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
The "raw data" graph presented by Martz is patently absurd. It shows 2019 as one of the coldest years on record. The only two years that are clearly colder are 1912 & 1917. It's as cold - maybe even a bit colder - than the late 1970s. I must have missed the months of bitterly cold and deep snow in 2019? What's funny is it shows the raw data being warmer than the adjusted data as recently as the early 2000s with the two being fairly close until 2016. Beginning in 2017, the raw data starts dropping precipitously below the adjusted data. How can any meteorologist think that is the real trend, or at least present it as the real trend? The claims about TOBs are also ridiculous. The observer was to reset the thermometers at a fixed time each day, and they recorded the temperature at time of observation as the set maximum. -
Pittsburgh, Pa Summer 2024 Thread.
TheClimateChanger replied to meatwad's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
Only a little over a tenth of an inch IMBY, which finally brings the monthly tally to a bit more than an inch. -
Another? We haven't seen this pattern much at all this summer. The highest heat anomalies have been over the Mid Atlantic, Ohio Valley, and Southeast.
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Pittsburgh, Pa Summer 2024 Thread.
TheClimateChanger replied to meatwad's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
Looks like some rain on the way for a change. At the moment, the radar depiction looks exaggerated from ground truths. Wheeling has only had 0.01" despite some dark greens and yellows overhead for some time (see below). Cloud ceiling is way up at 12,000 feet, so dry air in the lower levels are making it difficult for the rain to make it all the way to the surface. There are, however, some embedded, slow-moving heavier downpours, especially across Greene and southern Washington Counties. The Washington County Airport recently observed thunder, although no measurable rain has fallen yet. -
Looks like a rough winter for a snow weenie in Miami.
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Summer 2024 Medium/Long Range Discussion
TheClimateChanger replied to Chicago Storm's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
Lots of filthy air up there in Canada. -
Central Pa. Summer 2024
TheClimateChanger replied to mahantango#1's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
Do you guys think this enormous smoke plume will help to lower temperatures as it moves east?- 6,666 replies
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Summer 2024 Medium/Long Range Discussion
TheClimateChanger replied to Chicago Storm's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
Looks like summer is over, between all the volcanos and this gigantic smoke pall forming over west North America, the sun doesn’t stand a chance. -
2024-2025 La Nina
TheClimateChanger replied to George001's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
So my conclusion is this: Winter minima have been increasing at Detroit. The trend is, however, lessened by the impact of anomalously cold minima temperatures observed in the first couple of decades after the official observation site moved to the southwest. In recent decades, the trend is actually overstated due to increasing urbanization in the vicinity of the international airport. Moving forward, I would expect mean winter minimum temperatures to continue to climb, reaching the mid 20s F by mid-century (2040s - 2060s) and 30F by the end of this century [perhaps even higher in a heightened carbon scenario]. -
2024-2025 La Nina
TheClimateChanger replied to George001's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Looking at the historic station thread. We also see good reason to conclude that the minimum temperatures in the 19th century and early 20th century were colder than observed. What we see is this: There was a rooftop exposure in general through 1933, at ever increasingly tall buildings - presumably to accommodate wind and other measurements. A trend which reached its zenith atop the Majestic Building some 218 feet above the ground. From at least 1881 through April 1887, the thermometer was housed in an enclosure on a northwest window of the Board of Trade Building. Looking at the stated height above ground, this appears to have been housed on a 4-6th story window of a building that appears to have been between about 6 and 8 stories high judging by the roof height reported after the station was moved to the roof on May 1, 1887. Rooftop stations have been observed to report higher temperatures than corresponding ground-based stations, and window stations even higher. With proper siting and a location away from the core urban heat island, it is likely that temperatures would have been substantially cooler than reported. For more information on the Majestic Building, see: Majestic Building (Detroit) - Wikipedia -
2024-2025 La Nina
TheClimateChanger replied to George001's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
In recent decades, the difference between the two sites has gotten smaller as development has increased near the international airport. City Airport still tends to observe higher minima, however. The difference has shrunk to a bit less than 1F. City Airport [2010-2024] DTW [2010-2024] -
2024-2025 La Nina
TheClimateChanger replied to George001's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
In fact, we see the 1960s and 1970s "cold" spell pretty much evaporates when we correct for site location. Meaning the extreme cold minima present in those decades in Detroit are largely an artifact of moving the official observation site from the urban City Airport location to a low-density, semi-rural or ex-urban site well to the southwest. We see a mean minima of 20.2F at City Airport for the period 1934-1950. The so-called warm winter period. Shockingly, from 1966 to 1980 [the so-called cold winter period], the mean minimum temperature at Detroit City Airport was nearly 1F higher. But at the official observation site [KDTW], it was much colder with a mean minimum temperature more than 2F cooler than the 1934-1950 mean at City Airport and more than 3F cooler than the mean at City Airport for the corresponding time frame. No comparative data for 1934-1950 are available, since record keeping did not begin at the site until 1958. It became the official site for Detroit on July 1, 1966. -
2024-2025 La Nina
TheClimateChanger replied to George001's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
The threaded record does show a positive regression, from a predicted value of 19.6F in 1875 to a predicted value of 21.3F in 2024. The LOESS curve helps to highlight the fact that the vast majority of recent winters have seen mean minima well above the values predicted by a linear regression, suggesting the linear regression is not fully capturing the trend and there has been an acceleration in the increase in winter minima since around 2000. In fact, the trend is greatly affected by changes in site location and instrument exposure, suggesting mean winter minima have warmed faster than shown here. This will be addressed in a follow-up post. Detroit [ThreadEx] Detroit City Airport [KDET] Detroit Metropolitan Wayne Airport [KDTW] -
Phoenix Experiences its Hottest June on Record
TheClimateChanger replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
Here's Hagerstown, Maryland for somewhere outside of the core urban area. Not much difference. 9 of top 11 since 2010. -
Phoenix Experiences its Hottest June on Record
TheClimateChanger replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
I think this "future" is reality in a lot more places than we'd like to admit. Here's Washington, D.C. - 2024 obviously not done yet, but will almost certainly be in top 5, with decent chance for #1. 9 of top 10 since 2010, only 1 prior to 2000. -
Phoenix Experiences its Hottest June on Record
TheClimateChanger replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
The "future" is here in some locations. Future summers could regularly be hotter than the hottest on record | NCAR & UCAR News -
Occasional Thoughts on Climate Change
TheClimateChanger replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
I suspect the urban heat island was a lot worse in the 1930s. I have seen a lot of photos from that era, and there were like zero trees anywhere. Pittsburgh, no trees. Even the Blue Ridge Parkway was mostly devoid of trees. Basically clear cut everywhere. I think we have billions more trees today than 100 years ago. This probably played a factor in some of the daytime heat. -
Occasional Thoughts on Climate Change
TheClimateChanger replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
Count me as a denier. Here is the county-by-county minimum temperature ranks for July 1936. What do we see from this map? First, we see it was actually very cold. Second, there's a VERY odd pattern to the map. The rankings are almost inversely proportional to population density. The coldest locations are some of the least densely populated in the Commonwealth. The warmest are the most densely populated counties. If UHI was affecting the trends, we would expect to see the most populated counties look colder on this map, but in fact the opposite is true. USHCN applies some sort some of urban heat island correction, but it looks to me like the correction is in the wrong direction and the UHI was more significant in 1936. -
Pittsburgh, Pa Summer 2024 Thread.
TheClimateChanger replied to meatwad's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
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July 2024 General Discussion
TheClimateChanger replied to Chicago Storm's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
Season to date [through July 16], temperature and precipitation percentiles: Mean Temperature Total Precipitation -
Matches the longest streak of 100+ at both sites. Should it reach 101F, that would be the first time at both locations with 4 consecutive days of temperatures at or above 101.