JustinRP37

Yeah I might have to take the young one out there soon, but then question, how do you get them back on the airplane to come home when vacation is over?

Haha well this is one case where I do hope I eat crow. I wish it was just the NYC Metro getting a ratter right now. I yearn for winters that last more than 14-21 days lately.

For sure. I was just going by their “advertisement” I mean snow report, saying they made snow on open trails (no they didn’t). Poor kid is now terrified of skiing, but I’ll rebuild his confidence quickly.

I hope I am wrong, but one of the best ski mets I follow was the reason for my change of heart. He things the hostile period will end up being longer than currently modeled. Fingers crossed this isn’t the case, but so far, in my opinion, this ski season started out wonderfully, but since mid-December has been worse than last season for the areas south of I90.

I posted this in the NYC Metro, but since I am on the border with New England, I figured this also applies. Looking ahead at what if left of winter I think my prediction of an average snowfall season with warmer than average temperatures will bust on the snowfall. The warmer than average temperature I went +1 to +2 for winter overall, and I think that will also bust low. It really does look like winter will begin to unravel next week with a sea of warmth that likely takes us to mid-February. At that point the time is fully ticking for the southern northeast ski season. Most resorts, even to the north, have not sniffed being 100% open this year. I think the northern mountains will fair okay in February, but I think from I90 south it will be a tough go. That said it is completely insane to see how the media spins winter these days. Many are being gaslit into believing this is a “cold” winter. The media has been covering how frigid this winter has been, when it has been a week of cold for the vast majority of America. Yes, some record cold for sure, but winter has not been “cold”.

Looking ahead at what if left of winter I think my prediction of an average snowfall season with warmer than average temperatures will bust on the snowfall. The warmer than average temperature I went +1 to +2 for winter overall, and I think that will also bust low. It really does look like winter will begin to unravel next week with a sea of warmth that likely takes us to mid-February. At that point the time is fully ticking for the southern northeast ski season. Most resorts, even to the north, have not sniffed being 100% open this year. That said it is completely insane to see how the media spins winter these days. Many are being gaslit into believing this is a “cold” winter. The media has been covering how frigid this winter has been, when it has been a week of cold for the vast majority of America. Yes, some record cold for sure, but winter has not been “cold”.

Yeah you gotta get up north. Anywhere that received the 2-4 inches of rain the past few weeks is straight up bullet proof ice and firm granular.

I have to say that after today, I firmly am in the "this winter blows" camp. In my 30+ years of skiing I have never witnessed as bad of conditions in mid-January as I have at Catamount today. For the first time in my life, I asked for a ski voucher after just one run. I was there with my 5-year old son and it was legit a sheet of ice. The "grooming" was lines in an ice rink. I've literally experienced softer ice at an ice rink than I did today. This constant up and down with pouring rain has trashed the little base they have had. Unless it is sustained cold for longer than a week, I don't see how these ski areas can cope. We cannot keep getting these crazy warmups with pouring rain, please just make it stop!! I'd take just cold and no snow over what we have had so far this winter.

I have to say that after today, I firmly am in the "this winter blows" camp. In my 30+ years of skiing I have never witnessed as bad of conditions in mid-January as I have at Catamount today. For the first time in my life, I asked for a ski voucher after just one run. I was there with my 5-year old son and it was legit a sheet of ice. The "grooming" was lines in an ice rink. I've literally experienced softer ice at an ice rink than I did today. This constant up and down with pouring rain has trashed the little base they have had. Unless it is sustained cold for longer than a week, I don't see how these ski areas can cope.

That’s because spring last year was January to March

I used to think when I was in high school and college that I wanted to end up in Florida because I do love the beach and boating. But I also love skiing. The only season I cannot stand is spring. I love summer and winter, so moving to a place without winter would be tough for me. The older I get the more I actually love the cold, it is just invigorating to take a deep breath of cold air. The only thing that stinks is the cost to heat a house!

It's almost like hysteria drive clicks which drives $$$. Meanwhile accurate forecasting drives revenue in aviation. Point being, I trust your numbers over anything I read online for winds because when they get your forecast wrong people can potentially die.

Alright I have a tough question to ask the crew. Do I buy a new snow blower this season or wait until end of the year clearance? Our tiny but still new snowblower was not up to the job today clearing the 7 inches away. It did great on our sidewalks just not the driveway. I don't want to jinx us by buying another new one this year, likewise if it is looking meh for the next weeks should I hold off? I only ask because I know in retail they will be in full summer mode come February likewise the next season's snowblowers will show up in July haha.

We got just under 7 inches here in Patterson. I just measure after sleeping in since the whole family slept in. Beautiful out.

It is absolutely ripping snow in Patterson, NY. My son was beyond excited to see snow. Pretty insane to think the last warned event he lived through he was 2. Now he is 5.

These two posts are juxtaposed against each other haha. I’m worried about this winter.

I have been very quiet lately not wanting to jinx us, but I am thinking we finally have something coming. I honestly think this could be 6-8 our area of Putnam County, but we'll see. I hiked up Ice Pond trail today and it felt wintry out there minus snow.

What exactly are the positives besides lower heating bills? More invasive insects in the summer? More mosquitos? More mold?

Like I have said before, we can skate by with average daily minimums. That would allow local ski areas to make their snow and get open for business. Problem is, I don't even see sustained overnight lows approaching norms for 10+ days. There will be sporadic nights of snowmaking, but this is just getting ridiculous. We have kicked the can and it is starting to be very worrying that even with snowmaking capabilities, southern NY and southern New England resorts will not survive much longer. Then we are looking at the time bomb for northern resorts. Really scary stuff.

Sigh the sad thing is even on the ten day there are only a few nights favorable to snow making if the humidity cooperates. Pattern really needs to change in a hurry.

"Near normal" in early January is cold! You keep talking about those who are saying arctic cold is coming are going to be disappointed when as far as I have read for the past 83 pages, nobody has even mentioned arctic cold or sustained below average temperatures. Many are saying the pattern is improving. And I don't get the point you are trying to make. People mention we could have a few shots at cool temps with snow chances and you then post about no arctic cold. You cannot honestly look at the incoming pattern and tell me that it is as hostile to snowfall as the current pattern we have been in for a little over a week now.

Good lord another person that couldn't pass a physics class because they don't believe in the laws of thermodynamics for fossil fuels. I'll never understand how some believe that humans burning fuel all over the globe have zero effects on the planet. Energy can neither be create nor destroyed*. *Except in the case of fossil fuels where once you burn it the energy released goes to an imaginary place where it can do nor harm. Edit: This is sarcasm....

Yeah it is a disaster, not to many some ski areas are blocked from main roads due to washouts. Really a horrible time of year for that to happen after a tough start last year. For the more southern areas, I am beginning to wonder how they will survive (the ones without year round events).

And you can't blame me this winter, I didn't buy a snow blower or new skis this year!!! I did both last year, so you can blame me for that. So who bought the snow blower and skis this year?

It has been about a week or longer since I posted my thoughts and what was looking like a great 2023/2024 ski season did come to a record breaking halt with the last storm. To be blunt, I don't know how some resorts will recover from this. Lots of holiday cancellation in these tourist towns and in SNE and NY, the resorts don't have any pack. Catskills are working on rapidly rebuilding their packs, but many just won't feel the ski bug during a holiday week in the upper 40s and low 50s in the metro area. Looking ahead to the future, I don't see sustained cold air to get people in that "wintry" feeling. Looking to the west and north, same thing. In order for me to feel better I need to see our overnight lows getting back to normal and I just don't see that happening yet. While we were routinely getting freezing overnight temps in the mountains and suburbs in the beginning of the month we are no longer consistently seeing that, and that is very problematic for winter sports on the east coast. So while I do think we will get snow this year, I think we end up well below average for snow cover duration and peak snow depth in the mountains. I hope I am wrong, but I do think we get another strong rain storm even up into northern New England before the pattern change.