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August 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
#5 on this list at JFK! How is 1993 not on this list, Chris? I remember it as being hotter than 1991....... Also, do you have rankings for Allentown and Scranton too? Thanks! -
August 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
shocking that this summer matched 1993- I used the AC so much more that year, it was my hottest summer up to that point. Don, odds that next summer NYC will have the kind of statistically anomalous summer that Phoenix had this summer? -
I'm curious, when did they start calling it the MDR? Growing up I remember it was called the ITCZ....I think I like that name better
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Looks like the tropical downpours will extend back to NE PA going by that map! Not a named system but tropical rains a la October 2005?
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Don, astonishing that LA could hit 105 and Denver may hit 100 over the weekend, and then Denver might get a nice snowstorm next week! When was the latest that Needles hit 120? That may happen too.
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looks like I was right
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Phoenix Records its Hottest Summer on Record
LibertyBell replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
how do you explain what's been going on in Siberia? UHI there too eh? -
Phoenix Records its Hottest Summer on Record
LibertyBell replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
when do you think we'll have the majority of summers in NYC reaching 100 degrees? -
Phoenix Records its Hottest Summer on Record
LibertyBell replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
Hey I'm a Gen Xer (but do identify more with Millenials)......maybe it's my/our Long Island/NY education that has us ahead of the field? You look at what the fossil fuel industry and how it controls the education system and political system in some parts of the country- and it's positively criminal (or should be.) F it, we knew about climate change even back in the 80s, and I remember writing a sci fi story back in the 1980s about saying good bye to Long Island as we boarded the last ship off the island as it went underwater and we were the last people left. -
Phoenix Records its Hottest Summer on Record
LibertyBell replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
when you look at climate models and predicted sea level rise and compare it vs whats actually occurring, the actual sea level rise is near the more extreme scenarios....we've already had a 1 ft sea level rise and if we continue to stay near the values predicted by the more extreme scenarios we'll add 3 more feet to that by 2070 and up to 8 feet by 2100. Some areas are experiencing sea level rise quicker than others (most notably the US east coast and the gulf coast.) Sunny day flooding has become a reality here on the south shore of Long Island..... -
Phoenix Records its Hottest Summer on Record
LibertyBell replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
yes and the oceans are getting hotter also. -
Phoenix Records its Hottest Summer on Record
LibertyBell replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
and mass extinctions happened back then too, just like we are having now. -
Phoenix Records its Hottest Summer on Record
LibertyBell replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
I think the biggest proof is that anthropogenic climate change has occurred much faster than any "natural" climate change occurred in the past and the current mass extinction..... and here's something more philosophical and even more sobering..... Scientists are puzzled about why we haven't found any signs of life elsewhere in the universe (we should now be able to detect inadvertent signals sent out from technology). I have a scary thought that I've had for years but seems to be becoming more and more likely......what if technological life almost always goes down the same road....to destruction? Billions of possible earthlike planets out there and what if 99.999999999999% of them have the same sad outcome, technological evolution almost inevitably leading to self destruction? I see us heading down that way too, I have for years, but with even more certainty now. The Great Filter isn't behind us, it's staring us right in the face and if we are like most, we will suffer the same sad result. In the end that result may be for the best though, as the planet would almost certainly recover from we've been doing to it since the industrial age began. -
Phoenix Records its Hottest Summer on Record
LibertyBell replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
I'm amazed people like him devote so much time and energy to something that is so awful. -
I saw a WaPo article that mentioned 2012 and the record melt off that occurred that year and then mentioned Sandy and the anomalous track it took. Do you believe the two are connected, Don (research seems to be pointing this way with regards to strong blocking and arctic ice melt) and if so, do you think a similar melt off this year could result in another storm like that come October (when these kinds of storms are most likely to happen?)
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seize the assets of the fossil fuel industry and move them to building architecture to combat sea level rise. once the fossil fuel industry is castrated, you wont see any more of this propaganda. We also need to go after PhRMA and big pharma in general for the propaganda they put out against universal healthcare. A lot of things need to change in this country.
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it's good to see Exxon removed from the primary stock exchange, hopefully Chevron is next: We banned fracking here in NY after a year long scientific study showed how awful it is for the environment (methane leaks, earthquakes, etc.) hopefully the rest of the nation follows suit....it certainly seems that the fossil fuel industry controls certain parts of the country, or else it'd be banned there already. Proving 'A Different World Is Possible,' Exxon Dropped From Dow Jones After 92-Year Run - https://go.shr.lc/34zpsp8 via @commondreams Another positive, with more progressive politicians winning House races (like the recent one in MA) we may not need to wait for Gen Zers to break the back of the corrupt fossil fuel industry cartels, which functions in much the same way as the Colombia drug cartel does (a similar analogy can be drawn to the big pharma cartel), especially when you look at how they were concealing climate change research going all the way back to the 70s and how they try to suppress descent. I heard that NJ recently joined 19 other states in suing the fossil fuel industry to pay them for architecture they need to develop to combat sea level rise which is already inundating our coastal areas. I think before this is all done, you'll see more than a few of these industry leaders going to prison for what they've done.....the closest analogy I can think of is either mafia or cartel, and remember that the notorious J Edgar Hoover himself stated that the mafia didn't exist in America....
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it's not just California, it's happening all over the world.
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indeed! and lower our pollution levels too. There is a tweet thread I wanted to draw your attention to
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Climate Sensitivity Narrowed: 2.3C - 4.5C
LibertyBell replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
Thanks Chris, this should improve our forecasting considerably, we still need to improve quite a bit in forecasting rapidly strengthening TC's -
Indeed! Among the other provisions we do need to become much less reliant on meat (if compiled as a nation, animal farming is the third largest contributor of fossil fuels behind China and the US) and also for health reasons (lowering consumption of processed food- not sure if this is in the GND, but America has one of the worst BMI's, rates of diabetes, obesity, etc., which are also major pre-existing conditions for the pandemic.) in short, we need societal; and systemic level changes. Other nations have done this when they developed universal healthcare, we should be able to do it also. I see the UN has set global targets for all of the above, the problem with the UN is that it is run by a small number of very powerful nations who have their own agendas, and there is no true global level program to help the entire planet, independent of what nations it holds.
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August 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
Yes, this is much more in line for what felt to me to be sensible extreme heat. 1980, 83, 88, 91, 93, 95, 99, 02, 05, 10, 11, 12, 13 (four in a row really stands out!)