LibertyBell

In another piece I read, it stated that 93% of the heat went into the oceans first, that also explains part of the lag that skiier talked about.

It makes a lot of sense that oceanic heat content kept increasing. https://www.noaa.gov/news/global-ocean-is-absorbing-more-carbon-from-fossil-fuel-emissions The global ocean absorbed 34 billion metric tons of carbon from the burning of fossil fuels from 1994 to 2007 — a four-fold increase to 2.6 billion metric tons per year when compared to the period starting from the Industrial Revolution in 1800 to 1994.

We've generally come to the conclusion that the CO2 output went into the oceans first which may partially explain what you pointed out about the lack of warming during the first decade of the millennium (and has resulted in coral bleaching.) The ironic thing about the climate models is that they're now proving to be TOO conservative as far as sea level rise is concerned. I've always been of the philosophy that we need to be proactive and make changes (for a multitude of reasons) BEFORE the science was settled, and there have always been good reasons to do that (regarding air pollution and health, which we've already gone over.) And it's important for us to present a united front to the general public, which either doesn't have access to this data or doesn't have the time to sift through it. There's many reasons to end the consumption of fossil fuels, and climate change is only one of them. On top of that, if you want to wait until everything is 100% settled, it'll be too late. It almost is already. Perfection is the enemy of the good. Regarding Siberia, I think we're now seeing the accelerated temperature rise that has long been predicted. Not only that, we are also seeing it in other northern regions, including Vermont and other parts of Northern New England. A good analogy is that the attic is on fire and the fire is now spreading to other parts of the house.

Well we would have been in a FAR better place had Gore become president rather than the illegitimate "election" of war criminals Bush, Junior and Mercenary Cheney.

Heh yeah I've been wondering about the vulnerability of a democracy in which a large segment of the population isn't properly educated to make smart decisions about existential threats. They are very easy to manipulate without even knowing it's happening.

You used to be a climate change skeptic and had a radio show? I didn't know either of that. I thought climate change had been settled going way back to the 80s. The science is not that difficult (for those of us who love science) and your use of analogies is a handy method for showing people how it works without having to delve into mathematics, charts, etc. We already knew it was happening back then and it turns out that the fossil fuel cartel knew about it even before that. It's just much more obvious now then it was back then. Obviously the cartel had been doing a great job covering their tracks, and now that they can no longer do that (well to most of us anyway) they espouse failed strategies like removing carbon from the atmosphere and "clean coal".

15% slower was the figure I've seen attributed to TC forward speed. Not sure on the strengthening as they near landfall factor, but the SST are abnormally warm near shore. That Siberian megaheatwave sure was something to behold, never heard of anything so anomalous lasting so long.

what about something like rapidly strengthening hurricanes as they approach the Gulf Coast? The water is abnormally warm there and in the last few years we've seen a spate of hurricanes strengthening right to landfall- Harvey, Michael, Laura, and now also Sally? Also much slower moving storms (Harvey, Florence and now Sally).

Nature paper on life on Venus https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-020-1174-4.pdfhttps://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-020-1174-4.pdf

One of the higher execs in FB regularly attends Trump banquets.

On a lighter note, if life can exist on the Greenhouse Hellhole that is Venus, we should be fine even if we burn all the carbon on the planet right?! You know I'm kidding.....

Don, on a more positive note, this is breaking news from the British RAS

So minimum hasn't been reached yet, Don?

It'll be awesome when FakeBook gets regulated to death

Did you see the replies, Don? Looks like FakeBook has been doing this for years!

Yeah, I see they learn from their previous mistakes there. One good thing to come out of all this is that China is closing down all the wet markets that were prevalent there. Wish we would do the same in NY.

It looks like it went into high gear around 2000 (see post above) when our consumerist-oriented society went into high gear also. It also depends on the source of the sugar. I'm pre-diabetic and I have no problem eating bananas or tangerines. Nature has packaged those sugars in such a way as to minimize their side effects- both have a high number of B vitamins, which metabolize the sugar. But if I eat a chocolate bar, I get dizzy. So a pretty big difference between sugar in processed food and healthy natural sources like fruits. The sugar industry didn't help matters when they covered up research in the 70s....funny how these cartels work, the fossil fuel cartel and tobacco cartels did the same thing.

I will match that to a change in our society since 2000. We seem to have become a much more consumer oriented society. An example from an entirely different arena is the diabetes epidemic and obesity becoming much more prevalent since 2000 (a higher consumption of processed fast food and food deserts)- and a concurrent rise in the prices of lifesaving drugs. Everything is connected.

I dont believe either of them is lying. Even though I strenuously disagree with "Blizzard" if you psychoanalyze his posts, you can see that he believes what he is posting. His anger seems to be legit. We all have our own biases and it takes a lot to bring down that wall. It's best to keep personal attacks to a minimum, because that only causes more stubbornness and then both sides dig in, regardless of the available evidence. Attack bad ideas, not the people who espouse them.

In Iceland they are now using artificial means to try to keep the glaciers from melting!

On top of that, we can superimpose the West's horrid history of wildfires- 17 of the top 20 fire seasons have occurred since 2000. The fire season has also grown an average of 75 days longer in the 2 decades since 2000 than it was before.

skiier gets it both from the left and the right, I feel bad for him (sometimes). but seriously, he was actually not being mean to you, if you want to see mean you should see him on the political forums lol

the rapid increase in rainfall and dewpoints is very apparent here on the east coast too. and it has had detrimental effects on my health in a very noticeable way (much longer allergy season, more biting pests, etc.)

Yes, all of the above...it's the only way to eradicate food deserts. I avoid fast food and processed food like the plague it is and causes.

You know your history well! I was recently watching a series on PBS that talked about the undue influence of both the British and Dutch East India Companies, the very first multinational corporations. Yet another excuse for colonialism. Colonialism still happens today just differently.