LibertyBell

oceans being colder may be the main reason we didn't have many TCs during the 80s

Hey Don did MPO get into the 40s last night? Thanks! In regards to the SW haven't they also been in a long term drought?

weird thing about the 80s is that we didn't have anywhere near as many TCs. In the past decade or so we seem to be a magnet for them. This decade is more like the 50s than the 80s- backloaded winters, lots of east coast TCs and big summer heat.

wow diametrically opposite summers 2009 and 2020 lol How did they do in 1993? I'm curious because Death Valley's August temp records are from that year.

the other thing that lends credence to my "130 barrier" idea, is that Death Valley has hit 129 on about half a dozen occasions but never hit 130 before this (in modern history at least.) And neither has any other location on this planet (that we know of.)

I'm going to jump in here on a different topic....what is this warning about that NASA issued this past week? A hole in earth's magnetic field and they're investigating the South Atlantic Anomaly?

that 100 degree temp in Alaska had to be below the arctic circle. Anyway the 100.4 in Siberia was the first 100 on record above it. The main reason why any readings above 130 are questioned is because it hasnt happened since- not only that- if the next highest temp at a location is 5 degrees less, then it really has to be questioned. You'd expect that temperature to be approached again at least once in a 100 years.

Burt provides a compelling case for many of these early readings being questionable. I believe this is how the 137 reading in Algeria was overturned also. It's doubtful that instrumentation back then followed "the rules" about sheltering. I think the 131 reading in Tunisia should be on that list too. Burt argues that since then those locations have never even approached the temps they supposedly recorded back then and there are several cases of abnormally high readings from that era (1910s to 1930s). I'm both a high and low temperature buff so I like to keep track of these things.....there have only been a few locations in the world that have approached 130....as a matter of fact, there seems to be some barrier there that is extremely hard to exceed.....besides Death Valley, the "128+ club" consists of Basra, Iraq, Mitribah, Kuwait, Ahwaz, Iran and Turbat Pakistan.....all of these locations have seen high temperatures between 128.6 and 129.6 This reading of 129.9 is the closest we've ever gotten in the modern era to 130. This excludes the very rare heat bursts of course, which are extremely hard to confirm (aside from burnt crops, burnt trees, burnt doors, etc.).....if you include them, there was a 140 supposedly in Oklahoma and even a 189 in Abadan, Iran. I dont know where you stand on anomalous heat bursts, I find them intriguing, but dont think they can realistically be included in the temperature record. It's really difficult to exceed 126 degrees on this planet, only a few locations have ever done it, and even then only by a couple of degrees at most.

there have been several of these early readings that have been overturned in recent years. There has to be a second instrument in a nearby location to provide an adequate proof of what was recorded, otherwise we just cant verify it. With the 1913 reading, none of the nearby towns were within even 10 degrees of that reading.

The temps are calculated to the nearest tenth in Celsius, aren't they? I've seen reports of both 129.9 or 130.0. Either way it should be rounded to the nearest degree if expressing in Fahrenheit. The two major heat developments this year are the 100 degrees in Siberia and 130 in Death Valley.

There's a city out there that has had over 40 days in a row above 100 degrees- is that Phoenix?

Thanks, so much Chris! From all this what I get is that 55 at MPO == 65 at NYC, EWR and JFK == 70 at LGA. It seems those are good equivalents to use when comparing the low temp data during the summer at these locations.

Yes I needed to wear a heavy blanket and close the windows! awww we missed the record at JFK by only 5 days! I assume EWR and NYC weren't near any records?

Yeah but normally when there is big heat like that in the west, the heat ridge covers the entire west and doesn't allow any precip into California at all. I'd expect any rain to be well up into BC not Central Cali lol. Any rain at all in Cali in the summer is pretty rare- I remember a couple of years ago (maybe last year?) SF hit 106 (I think that was in September?)

Thats correct- when you do an analysis of nearby locales, none of them were even within ten degrees of that bogus reading from 1913. The 131 in Tunisia is also under dispute.....there are lots of erroneous readings from that era. This 130 is a pretty exciting development in the sense that it's the first time we've broken the 130 barrier in the modern record. Within the next ten years, I expect to see more of these from Death Valley, as well as from the Persian Gulf region (Kuwait, Iran, Iraq) maybe all the way east to Pakistan. Those are the places where 128-129 has been recorded multiple times over the past decade.

I was in NE PA for this one, all I saw were partly to mostly cloudy skies and the occasional breeze lol

had this been snow the western suburbs would have been really angry

it would be tremendous if the two highs could connect......

funny thing about Islip- they had a low in the 60s and a high in the 60s on the same day Interesting that their record is from 1967, as it was the summer before that (1966) that was the hottest on record up until then. Did the LGA and MPO streaks end? Did JFK have a streak ongoing also?

the NAM did very well there

I take it LGA, JFK and MPO streaks are all over also?

Yep that 130 degree temp will be the only verified 130 degree temp in recorded history..... wow looks like 1993 was a historically hot summer both for Death Valley and for the east coast- that's a rarity!

I take it that streak of 70+ lows at LGA has come to an end too, as well as the streak of 55+ lows at MPO. Not sure if the JFK streak is over? Don do you have any rainfall totals or highest wind gusts from yesterday's "noreaster"? Also I heard that parts of our area only made it into the 60s for highs?

Chris, Death Valley recorded the first 130 degree temp in the shade in modern history......and if verified, it will be the first verified 130 degree temp ever recorded (all the ones before are being challenged because no other nearby location was nearly as hot.) While, at the same time, there was a unique severe thunderstorm and heavy rain going on in SF.......

also those PPE need to be properly disposed of after use, otherwise they just add to the risk