right and these competing patterns end up being more important than ENSO itself. I'd also be curious to see the impact of the background warming state, as the Pacific warms, we may see more of these so-called "nino type" patterns in other ENSO conditions also. That's why it's a misnomer to consider them "ENSO type" patterns when other influences are obviously more important, especially the background warming state and the predilection of blocking.