And what's really frustrating is that we had to roll a nina AGAIN...twice in 4 years...right after a neutral year where the AO/NAO was record positive, smh Man I hope we can fluke/anomaly something this year...because I'm wondering if, with a nina this strong (or is it moderate), it won't leak over into the following winter as well...(can't imagine the numbers of the winter following a la nina are spectacular)