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In your example, I'd argue its cold at night and hot during the day. If you are sleeping out in the desert, you really don't care why it is what it is. So you are saying it's fake cold and fake heat? I also get it from the standpoint of you living on a hill top... people saying its cold and you are still growing vegetables. That's going to get a response that this isn't real. I mean, I can be standing up at the picnic tables and it's breezy and 55F while it's frosty and 28F in the valley almost 4,000ft below... its just weather, that's how it happens. It's been happening in mountain valleys since the dawn of time... whether it's in Yellowstone or Jackson Hole, or in a hollow of CT.

...And AI has all of humanity living in a simulation apparently ... sign of the times, man. sign of the times

Yup. The cold which materializes within the Arctic/Polar regions isn't coming from Santa or his elves, its a byproduct of prolonged radiational cooling.

We're late down here this year. Almost a full 2 weeks later than last year. Peak will prob be next week. Some areas I drive around are starting to look pretty awesome. I'll post more pics later but this is where we're at right now

There is no fake environments though…that’s what we are trying to get across. These are actual meteorological processes….nothing fake there.

Yes. Absolutely. Should we call that fake? Of course not. Excellent point.

But The term fake is ridiculous. Period. We all understand the concepts. But the term is horrible. And makes people sound ignorant.

Radiational cooling is a very real meteorological phenomenon. Besides the very low sun angle at high latitudes to virtually no sun (above the horizon) near the polar latitudes, radiational cooling is a big player in cold temperatures. In fact, its ultimately radiational cooling which leads to the establishment of the cool season Arctic/Polar airmasses. Nothing fake about it

I think the point has been missed this whole time. . It is fake because it is not a cold airmass. It drops because of low dew points and dry air, just as it warms rapidly . A great example is the desert. It may drip into the 30’s/40’s, but rises to 90’s/100’s. Is that a cold airmass or a hot airmass? No it’s a fake environment in both cases

Today’s 10 day averaged CFS RONI run for Nov has dropped a little to between +2.75 and +2.70. It also suggests that near future 10 day means for Nov will probably drop a little lower since all 8 of the blue lines, the most recent runs, are lower than today’s mean of the 40 lines. It also suggests a similar small drop for Nino 4 and Nino 3 for the same reason. However, unlike the other 3 regions, Nino 1+2’s blue lines are balanced suggesting little near future change upcoming for its Nov forecast mean thus implying a slightly even more E based Nino:

It is exactly apples to apples! Nothing is fake if it’s at your house. If your car battery dies because it is 22 degrees…no matter what the temp is 1500 FT up, is the dead battery fake? Will you be able to tell the battery, hey battery good one, good fake out, now go ahead and start my car? You see, Theres the point. Is the TOR that blew your house down fake, cuz the town next to you didn’t get a TOR? Temp is temp. Snow is snow. Rain is rain. TOR is TOR. If Kevin is shoveling 4”, and I’m seeing through translucent slush that’s a 1/4” inch thick…is his fake snow? And finally…if we tied your bare ass to a tree, and kept you out in the 23 degree cold, all night long, and your nuts were the size of peas when the sun came up, would you call that fake cold, because 1500ft above your head it was 45 degrees? Would that make any difference whatsoever to your frozen ass tied to that tree?

THIS!

A fun October storm before a shit winter

The incompetence watch has been upgraded to a warning.

This is such a weird discussion, lol. No one is saying it’s deep cold. But when your car is frozen solid in the morning and you are scraping ice or warming it up, it’s just a weird way of phrasing it. As Tip said, temperature is temperature. When there’s CAD or icing, no one is like well it’s fake cold because it’s warm at 9,000ft.

94-95 was basically a one hit wonder with an 8-10" in Feb. I remember having my windows open one January evening because we were in the 70's. At least the one-hit wonder in 2016 was a bomb, so I'll hold out weenie hope for that. But terms like "strong, east-based El Nino" don't have me gassing up the snow blower.

Everything I see is fake. Fake cold from radiational cooling, fake snow from upslope or lake effect. Not even sure what’s real anymore.

No surprise coming from the guy who failed out of meteorology school. If stupid could fly, he’d be a jet

https://x.com/MeteoMark/status/2115836527712338188?a=JR30_wRbbVdstqpwhLw&s=19 I don't think Mark understands that a SSW now does not mean the SPV will not recover.

We still have spotted lantern flies fluttering around at work.

fake warmth today .