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The Jan 9-10 Storm Part 4


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I call your attention to that strong line of convection in the big bend of Texas. I hope that is not the robbery train.

Must say though the moisture looks impressive.

saw that nasty hook echo over CC a few mins ago....rude awakening for some there...public reported a tornado on the ground...

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Good morning everyone!

Lots of moisture headed this way, Texas returns are impressive http://www.daculaweather.com/ridge_texas_master.php The Louisiana radar is the one to start watching http://www.daculaweather.com/ridge_louisiana_master.php. Also, returns are now showing up on the GRLevel3 radar from Jackson MS

This is going to be one awesome day not matter what!

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It's not a good sign when you don't even have a WSW and all counties south and east of you do, when you're under 24 hour start time. lol :thumbsdown:

hey just remember you're covered under Blacksburg, while everybody south and east of Caswell co. of you is under Raleigh, it was like that for the Christmas storm also they just are a little slower at issuing them!

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hey just remember you're covered under Blacksburg, while everybody south and east of you is under Raleigh, it was like that for the Christmas storm also they just are a little slower at issuing them!

Yea I know, I read their diss and they have pretty low confidence on qpf, Because of you guess it DRY AIR :arrowhead:

But you're right they always wait till last minute. I think they said maybe 2-3 inches which would be WWA :thumbsdown:

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Just got up.

Great disco last night folks.

Under a WSW fro 3-6 as GSP also has upped the totals from last night.

I assume if Radar trends look good today and the RUC and SREF models continue to show a good hit here in WNC. Total might bump up..

Awesome!

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GREENVILLE-SPARTANBURG SC

314 AM EST SUN JAN 9 2011

.SYNOPSIS...

-- Changed Discussion --HIGH PRESSURE WILL CONTINUE TO BRING COLD AIR FROM CANADA AS A LOW

PRESSURE SYSTEM ORGANIZES OVER THE NORTHERN GULF OF MEXICO. THIS LOW

WILL TRACK EASTWARD ALONG THE GULF COAST THROUGH MONDAY

MORNING...AND UP THE EAST COAST TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY. STRONG

CANADIAN HIGH PRESSURE WILL THEN BUILD IN FROM THE WEST THROUGH THE

REMAINDER OF THE WEEK.-- End Changed Discussion --

&&

.NEAR TERM /THROUGH TONIGHT/...

-- Changed Discussion --ARCTIC HIGH PRESSURE POSITIONED WEST OF THE APPALACHIANS TODAY WILL

CONTINUE TO FEED A VERY COLD AIRMASS OVER THE WESTERN CAROLINAS AND

NORTH GEORGIA. MAX TEMPS TODAY WILL AVERAGE AROUND 15 DEGREES BELOW

NORMAL. WHILE PIEDMONT AREAS WILL NOT REACH 40...ALL BUT THE LOWEST

VALLEYS IN THE NC MTNS WILL ONCE AGAIN FAIL TO REACH FREEZING.

OTHERWISE...INCREASING HIGH CLOUDS WILL BE THE ONLY ITEM OF INTEREST

TODAY.

POTENT SOUTHERN STREAM SW TROUGH AND ASSOCIATED SURFACE LOW WILL

MOVE ACROSS THE DEEP SOUTH/GULF COAST REGION TODAY INTO TONIGHT. BY

MIDNIGHT...A BAND OF PRECIP ASSOCIATED WITH LOW-TO-MID LEVEL

FRONTOGENESIS SHOULD BE APPROACHING EXTREME NORTHEAST GEORGIA.

ALTHOUGH FORCING IS EXPECTED TO WEAKEN WITH TIME...AS THE VORT MAX

MOVES INTO THE CONFLUENT FLOW OVER THE EASTERN CONUS...THE BAND OF

PRECIP SHOULD BE MAINTAINED BY SOUTHEAST UPSLOPE FLOW AND ENHANCED

ISENTROPIC UPGLIDE OVER IN SITU CAD AIRMASS. THERE IS SOME CONCERN

ABOUT GULF COAST CONVECTION POTENTIALLY DISRUPTING MOISTURE

TRANSPORT INTO THE REGION. HOWEVER...TRAJECTORY FORECASTS INDICATE

THAT MOISTURE FEEDING THE FRONTOGENETICAL BAND SHOULD ORIGINATE IN

AREAS LOCATED DOWNSTREAM OF ANY CONVECTION.

MODEL SOUNDINGS TONIGHT ARE WELL BELOW FREEZING THROUGHOUT THE DEPTH

OF THE TROPOSPHERE OVER THE ENTIRE FORECAST AREA...SO P-TYPE (ALL

SNOW) IS NOT AN ISSUE THROUGH 12Z. THIS LEAVES QPF/ACCUMS AND TIMING

AS THE ONLY MYSTERIES TO SOLVE. THE SHORT TERM MODELS AND ENSEMBLE

GUIDANCE ARE IN QUITE GOOD AGREEMENT THAT QPF WILL RANGE FROM .25 TO

.4 INCHES THROUGH 12Z WEST OF I-26 IN SC...AND IN THE AREA SOUTH OF

HIGHWAY 74 IN THE NC MTNS. THIS WOULD YIELD A SOLID 3 OR 4 INCHES OF

SNOW IN THESE AREAS BY SUNRISE. IN TERMS OF TIMING...THESE EVENTS

TYPICALLY SEEM TO START A BIT EARLIER THAN FORECAST BY THE

OPERATIONAL MODELS. INDEED...THE SREF SHOWS QUITE A WIDE RANGE IN

ONSET TIMING AMONG ITS INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS (AS EARLY AS 03Z AND AS

LATE AS 09Z FOR THE SAVANNAH RIVER VALLEY.) WE HAVE THEREFORE

FAVORED THE FASTER ONSET OFFERED BY THE SREF ENSEMBLE MEAN...

SPREADING CATEGORICAL POPS OVER MUCH OF THE WESTERN HALF OF THE AREA

BY 12Z.-- End Changed Discussion --

&&

.SHORT TERM /MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY/...

-- Changed Discussion --AS OF 300 AM SUNDAY...THE SRN STREAM SHORTWAVE IS STILL EXPECTED TO

DAMPEN AS IT REACHES THE SRN APPALACHIANS MON. SOME DEEP LAYER Q

VECTOR CONVERGENCE AHEAD OF THIS FEATURE SHOULD REACH THE REGION MON

MORNING BEFORE DIMINISHING THROUGH THE AFTERNOON. MODEL CONSENSUS

PLACES THE ASSOCIATED SFC LOW REFLECTION NEAR THE FL PANHANDLE BY

18Z MON. MODEL SOUNDINGS AND THICKNESSES CONTINUE TO SUPPORT MORE

SNOW THAN ANY OTHER PTYPE DURING THE BEST FORCING AND MOISTURE...AS

THEY SEEM TO BE GRADUALLY GETTING A BETTER HANDLE ON THE ARCTIC AIR

IN PLACE ACROSS THE REGION. QPF AMOUNTS...HOWEVER..CONTINUE TO POSE

THE GREATEST QUESTION. CONVECTION FROM THE FL PANHANDLE TO SE GA ON

MON COULD INHIBIT MOISTURE INFLUX INTO THE REGION. THE GFS SEEMS

MORE REASONABLE WITH THE LOWER QPF FOR THIS REASON. SLIGHTLY LOWER

QPF THAN PREVIOUSLY...BUT WITH SLIGHTLY COLDER PROFILES THAN

PREVIOUSLY...YIELDS A SIMILAR SNOW FORECAST. BASED ON ANTICIPATED 12

TO 24 HOUR SNOW ACCUMS RANGING FROM 6 TO 9 INCHES IN THE SW

MOUNTAINS TO 3 TO 5 INCHES ACROSS CHARLOTTE METRO...WILL GO AHEAD

AND POST A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR THE SRN TWO THIRDS OF THE

FORECAST AREA. THE WATCH WILL BE RETAINED TO THE NORTH. TEMPS WILL

BE COOLER THAN ALL MOS SOURCES ON MON WITH THE PRECIP ONSET INTO THE

DRY AIR.

THE POTENTIAL FOR ICING THEN BECOMES THE FOCUS THROUGH THE MON NIGHT

PERIOD. WEAK DEFORMATION FORCING COULD LINGER...ESPECIALLY OVER THE

NC PIEDMONT...AS THE COASTAL WATERS LOW SLOWLY DEEPENS AGAIN.

ADDITIONAL WEAK DIVERGENCE ALOFT NEAR THE EXIT REGION OF THE

TRAILING JET STREAK WILL ARRIVE MON NIGHT AS WELL. THE LEADING EDGE

OF THE STRONG MID LEVEL DRY PUNCH WILL WRAP SLOWLY ACROSS THE AREA

FROM SW TO NE MON NIGHT. THE SUDDEN DRYING WILL ALLOW ANY LINGERING

PRECIP TO CHANGE OVER TO FREEZING DRIZZLE OR VERY LIGHT FREEZING

RAIN AS ICE NUCLEI DISAPPEAR. HOWEVER...IT COULD TAKE MOST OF THE

NIGHT FOR A COMPLETE CHANGEOVER TO REACH THE NRN TIER OF THE

FORECAST AREA. GIVEN THE LIMITED QPF...ICE ACCUMS SHOULD STILL BE

LESS A TENTH OF AN INCH MOST AREAS.

THE NRN CONUS UPPER LEVEL LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL DEVELOP EWD FROM

THE UPPER MIDWEST LATE MON NIGHT TO THE UPPER OH VALLEY BY LATE TUE.

ALL OF THE DEEP LAYER MOISTURE AHEAD OF THIS SYSTEM SHOULD BE NORTH

OF THE REGION BY TUE...BUT DRIZZLE OR FREEZING DRIZZLE COULD LINGER

GIVEN THE SW FLOW AND MOIST LOW LEVELS. WENT MUCH COOLER THAN MOS

AGAIN FOR TUE TEMPS WITH SLOWLY DISSIPATING CAD BETWEEN THE COASTAL

AND OH VALLEY SYSTEMS.

STRONGLY CHANNELED VORTICITY ALONG THE SRN PERIPHERY OF THE DEEP 500

MB SYSTEM WILL BRUSH THE FAR NRN TIER OF THE FORECAST AREA TUE NIGHT

THROUGH WED...BUT ANY QPF WOULD BE QUITE LIMITED. A BETTER CHANCE OF

PRECIPITATION WILL BE FOUND IN INCREASING NW FLOW MOISTURE NEAR THE

TN BORDER TUE NIGHT THROUGH WED. ADDITIONAL LIGHT SNOW ACCUMS WILL

BE POSSIBLE IN THE UPSLOPE PREFERRED SECTIONS OF THE SRN

APPALACHIANS THROUGH WED.-- End Changed Discussion --

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Just got up.

Great disco last night folks.

Under a WSW fro 3-6 as GSP also has upped the totals from last night.

I assume if Radar trends look good today and the RUC and SREF models continue to show a good hit here in WNC. Total might bump up..

Awesome!

Have gotten a little work done this morning but had to get on to see this!!

mmmmm :sled:

Tonight: Snow, mainly after 1am. Low around 27. Calm wind becoming northeast around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible.

Monday: Snow before 3pm, then snow and sleet. High near 32. East wind between 9 and 11 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow and sleet accumulation of 3 to 7 inches possible.

Monday Night: Sleet likely before 10pm, then freezing drizzle likely. Cloudy, with a low around 30. East wind between

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As of last nights thoughts. They place you in solid 7" range....

Long day here!!

Have gotten a little work done this morning but had to get on to see this!!

mmmmm :sled:

Tonight: Snow, mainly after 1am. Low around 27. Calm wind becoming northeast around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible.

Monday: Snow before 3pm, then snow and sleet. High near 32. East wind between 9 and 11 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow and sleet accumulation of 3 to 7 inches possible.

Monday Night: Sleet likely before 10pm, then freezing drizzle likely. Cloudy, with a low around 30. East wind between

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Wow love the current radar and love that GSP up my totals to 4.8. GAME ON folks. All this worrying was for not and it's a lesson in why you should listen to the mets. Everything is in our favor right now we just gotta hope this baby over performs. Even if it doesn't and GSP is right, there are going to be a ton of happy people tomorrow!

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I'm thinking it should be beginning in Atlanta around midnight, is that about the time frame you see it at now?

Yea I would say 12 - 2...hoping we get a 6ish start which would just be fantastic. I'll tell you what though I wouldn't be surprised if you guys saw a few rouge bands show up and drop a little something. It really feels like this baby will over perform.

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Did anyone else get colder than expected last night? I'm currently 4 degrees below forecast low and it's still falling.

Makes you wonder about FCC's comment regarding temps not being able to "push on down" and being "above forecasted lows". I think they are a bunch of worry warts, although their WSW was a little more bullish than their 9pm disco.

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New BMX AFD

I like their comment here

I AM STILL HAVING TREMENDOUS DIFFICULTY IN PINPOINTING THETRANSITION AREAS. ONCE THE PRECIPITATION PROCESSES START THE

NUMERICAL PROFILES ARE OFTEN TIMES INCORRECT...SO IN A FORECASTING

MODE...IT IS BEST TO GIVE OR TAKE 30 TO 50 MILES OR SOMETIMES A LOT MORE

FOR A PROPER TRANSITION ZONE. WE COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT WARMING

OR COOLING A LAYER OR DYNAMIC COOLING ZONES THANKS TO HEAVY

PRECIP...BUT OUR TIME IS SHORT. IN THE END...IT IS UNWISE TO GET

CAUGHT UP IN MODEL SOUNDINGS TO MAKE MESOSCALE PTYPE

DETERMINATIONS OR ZONES...THE MODELS WILL BE WRONG NEARLY EVERY TIME.

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A Rather important am disco out of BHM. Does Foothills work there?:thumbsup:

FXUS64 KBMX 091044

AFDBMX

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BIRMINGHAM AL

444 AM CST SUN JAN 9 2011

.DISCUSSION...

A MAJOR WINTER STORM IS CURRENTLY INBOUND AS THE GULF LOW IS

BEGINNING TO TAKE SHAPE ACROSS SOUTH TEXAS. THE LOW WILL

STRENGTHEN A BIT WITH TIME BEFORE WEAKENING AS IT MOVES OFF THE

SOUTHERN LOUISIANA COAST. THIS SEEMS TO BE OF LITTLE

CONSEQUENCE...HOWEVER...AS IT...ALONG WITH ITS RATHER WEAK UPPER

TROUGH WILL PICK UP PLENTY OF GULF MOISTURE AS THEY TRANSLATE EASTWARD.

AS OF THIS MORNING...THE STAGE IS BEING SET AS TEMPERATURES ARE IN

THE TEENS ACROSS THE NORTH AND UPPER 20S ACROSS THE SOUTH AS SOME

CAA CONTINUES AT THE SURFACE. THE WINDS WILL QUICKLY TURN EAST

LATER TODAY...KEEPING THE COLD AIR WEDGE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THE

DEWPOINTS RATHER DRY...TRY THE SINGLE DIGITS FOR MOST FOLKS THIS

MORNING. THAT DOES MAKE THE TEMPERATURES RATHER COMPLEX FOR LATER

TODAY...AS SOME WARMING IS EXPECTED BEFORE THE PRECIP ARRIVES. WE

MAY EVEN GET INTO THE LOWER 40S WAY DOWN SOUTH BEFORE THE

TREMENDOUS WET-BULBING EFFECT TAKES US BACK TO BELOW FREEZING. FOR

THE MOST PART SURFACE TEMPERATURES ARE NOT THE CONCERN WITH THE

FORECAST...AS IT LOOKS EVERYONE WILL STAY BELOW THE 32 MARK FOR

THE DURATION OF THE EVENT...THANKS TO THAT WET-BULBING EFFECT.

NOW ON TO OTHER CONCERNS. OUT OF THE GATE...I HAD BEEN WATCHING

THE DRYING TREND ACROSS THE HEART OF CENTRAL ALABAMA AS MOST

NUMERICAL GUIDANCE DEVELOPS SOME CONVECTION OUT OVER THE GULF

WATERS. THAT SAID...WHEN LOOKING AT THE LOW AND MID LEVEL

FRONTOGENESIS AND NEGATIVE PVU...THERE WILL BE A DECENT BAND OF

MESOSCALE LIFT THAT LOOKS TO FORM NEAR SOUTH CENTRAL MS AND

TRANSLATE RATHER QUICKLY NORTHEAST TO TCL...BHM...AND EVENTUALLY

GADSDEN BY MIDNIGHT OR THEREABOUT. MODEL QPF JUST DOESN`T MATCH

THAT FEATURE...SO HAVE DISCOUNTED SOME OF THE LOWER AMOUNTS BY

KEEPING THE GENERAL 3 TO 6 INCHES WITH LOCALLY MORE ACROSS THE

NORTHERN THIRD OF THE AREA. OF COURSE...THE MESOSCALE DETAILS OF

THIS FEATURE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE DETERMINED IN A MORE NOWCASTING

SCENARIO...BUT I WILL HAVE TO RELY ON THE NUMERICAL OUTPUT FOR THE

GENERAL SYNOPTIC LOOK AND FEEL OF THE SETUP. STILL...THE MOISTURE

WILL BE IN THE ATMOSPHERE...AND IF THE FEATURE IS REAL...THERE

WILL BE THAT OPPORTUNITY EARLY MONDAY MORNING TO SEE A HEAVY SNOW

BAND DEVELOP...WILL BE INTERESTING.

THE NEXT OBVIOUS CHALLENGE IS THE PRECIP TYPE...AS ONCE AGAIN...IT

SEEMS THE BHM CWA IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TRANSITION. WITH

THE TREMENDOUS WET-BULBING EARLY ON...IT LOOKS AS IF MOST

EVERYONE...EVEN THE SOUTHERN MOST COUNTIES WILL AT LEAST START AS

SNOW. HOWEVER...RATHER QUICKLY...THE WARM CONVEYOR BELT NOT ONLY

BRINGS MOISTURE...BUT LOTS OF GULF HEAT TO FORM A SIGNIFICANT WARM

NOSE JUST ABOVE THE SURFACE UNDERGLIDE. THIS WILL CAUSE MAJOR

TROUBLE AS IT LOOKS LIKE THE WARM NOSE WILL BE STRONG ENOUGH TO

COMPLETELY MELT ANY ICE CRYSTALLIZATION...AND THEN REFREEZE ON

CONTACT WITH THE SURFACE. THE FURTHER SOUTH YOU ARE...THE BETTER CHANCE

FOR THIS TO HAPPEN. THERE MAY BE A ZONE NORTH OF THE FREEZING RAIN

MARK...WHERE MORE SLEET THAN SNOW MAY EXIST AS SOME DRYING BEGINS

TO OCCUR IN THE DENTRITIC GROWTH ZONE. ONE THING THAT FORECASTERS

SHOULD WATCH CLOSELY IS THE DRYING THAT TAKES PLACE...SAY ABOVE

-10C...WHERE IT IS SATURATED AT LOWER LEVELS. THIS SHOULD BEGIN

OCCURRING CLOSER TO SUNRISE ON MONDAY AND TRANSITION FROM WEST TO

EAST ACROSS THE CWA. IT IS LOOKING LIKE FOLKS IN THE NORTHERN TIER

OF COUNTIES MAY STAY PRIMARILY SNOW WITH SOME IP MIXTURE WORKING IN

NEAR THE END OF THE EVENT ON MONDAY AFTERNOON.

I AM STILL HAVING TREMENDOUS DIFFICULTY IN PINPOINTING THE

TRANSITION AREAS. ONCE THE PRECIPITATION PROCESSES START THE

NUMERICAL PROFILES ARE OFTEN TIMES INCORRECT...SO IN A FORECASTING

MODE...IT IS BEST TO GIVE OR TAKE 30 TO 50 MILES OR SOMETIMES A LOT MORE

FOR A PROPER TRANSITION ZONE. WE COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT WARMING

OR COOLING A LAYER OR DYNAMIC COOLING ZONES THANKS TO HEAVY

PRECIP...BUT OUR TIME IS SHORT. IN THE END...IT IS UNWISE TO GET

CAUGHT UP IN MODEL SOUNDINGS TO MAKE MESOSCALE PTYPE

DETERMINATIONS OR ZONES...THE MODELS WILL BE WRONG NEARLY EVERY TIME.

BOTTOM LINE...MOST...IF NOT ALL...FOLKS WILL LIKELY START AS SNOW

SUNDAY EVENING AS THE PRECIP SHIELD SPREADS FROM SOUTHWEST TO

NORTHEAST. AFTER JUST A SHORT WHILE...THE SOUTHERN MOST COUNTIES

WILL TRANSITION TO FREEZING RAIN OR SLEET AND THIS TRANSITION WILL

SLOWLY WORK FROM SOUTH TO NORTH FROM AROUND MIDNIGHT THROUGH

MIDDAY MONDAY. FOLKS SOUTH WILL DEAL WITH VERY LITTLE...IF ANY

SNOW ACCUMULATIONS...WHILE FOLKS NORTH WILL GET THE SNOW

ACCUMULATIONS OVERNIGHT...THEN A GLAZING OF ICE OVER TOP AS THE

EVENT ENDS. THE ICE SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGER THREAT TO FOLKS IN THE

SOUTH THAN SNOW...HENCE THE UPGRADE TO AN ICE STORM WARNING SOUTH

OF I20. WITHIN THE ICE STORM WARNING...YOU MAY GET YOUR 2 INCHES

OF SNOW...BUT AGAIN...THE ICE THAT WILL FOLLOW WILL BRING THE MOST

DANGER.

PLEASE MAKE PREPARATIONS NOW TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY FROM THIS

SIGNIFICANT WINTER EVENT.

17/KLAWS

&&

.AVIATION...06Z TAF DISCUSSION.

CURRENTLY WATCHING SOME HIGH CLOUDS MOVE IN FROM THE SOUTHWEST...AND

THIS WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THE FIRST PORTION OF THE FORECAST...WITH

VFR CONDITIONS EXPECTED...AND NORTH TO NORTHEASTERLY WINDS EXPECTED

FROM 6-10 KTS. AS THE ANTICIPATED WINTER STORM MOVES CLOSER TO THE

AREA...DECIDED TO PLACE WINTRY PRECIP IN THE TAFS FOR

TCL...BHM...EET...AND MGM FOR PLANNING PURPOSES. LOWER CLOUDS WILL

BEGIN TO IMPACT TCL AROUND 20Z TOMORROW AFTERNOON...WITH -SN

EXPECTED THROUGH THE EVENING...INCREASING TO SN THROUGH THE LATE

EVENING. -SN WILL BEGIN TO IMPACT BHM AND EET LATER IN THE AFTERNOON

AND IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE IN INTENSITY INTO THE LATE EVENING

HOURS. MGM WILL ALSO SEE A CHANCE OF LIGHT SNOW BY SUNDAY AFTERNOON

AS WELL. DECIDED NOT TO PLACE FZRA IN THE TAF FOR MGM AND TOI FOR

NOW...BUT WILL LIKELY BE ADDED IN LATER FORECAST PERIODS...AS THE

SNOW IS EXPECTED TO CHANGE OVER TO FZRA DURING THE EARLY MORNING

HOURS ON MONDAY. INTERESTS SHOULD CONTINUE TO MONITOR UPCOMING

FORECASTS...AS SIGNIFICANT SNOW ACCUMULATIONS FROM 3-6 INCHES ARE

EXPECTED ACROSS THE NORTHERN TAF SITES...WITH SIGNIFICANT FREEZING

RAIN UP TO ONE HALF INCH POSSIBLE ACROSS MGM AND TOI.

NOTICE...KEET TAF WILL HAVE (AMD LTD TO VIS WIND AND WX) AMENDED

TO THE END OF THE FORECAST THROUGH THE END OF THE 2010/2011 WINTER

SEASON. THE CEILOMETER DATA WILL BE GOING THROUGH NUMEROUS TESTS

AND MONITORED FOR ACCURACY.

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