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At 11, they STILL have the warnings even due W and SW of where the center is now. Their own definition of what a hurricane warning means: A Hurricane Warning means that hurricane conditions are expected somewhere within the warning area. Preparations to protect life and property should be rushed to completion. However, again their own product- the hurricane wind probabilities- show no more than a 20-30% chance of 74mph winds on the FL coast, is a 25% chance "expected"? Of course not. Let's use an an analogy from another type of forecast. Would it be acceptable for a NWS office, say Boston, to issue a winter storm warning, but the next set of models have no snow at all so they remove the chance of snow from the forecast but keep the warning in place?

Yesterday you can make an argument. But right now the warnings and watches in FL and GA are not even their own forecast cone!

This will be a controversial opinion but so what, I am retired now so bombs away. I have been in the forecasting game for over 35 years, I was at TWC for over 30 and have been involved with hurricane forecasting for all of that time period. First off let me say that the mets at NHC work incredibly hard and are dedicated and professional public servants to which the nation owes a great debt. However, one tendency that I have noted since way back in the early 80s is their philosophy of "even if the odds are incredibly against a particular storm suddenly deviating from it's forecasted path, we must always err on the side of caution" and deliberately overdo watches/warnings even we know that chances of the storm affecting those areas are very small. Case in point is the current situation with Dorian. The model clustering is about as tight as it ever gets, and the official forecast is following that closely. The winds on this and most hurricanes are weaker on the west side of the storm, the Cman station on the west tip of Grand Bahama Island never had a sustained wind of hurricane force, in fact the highest was only 54 kts, even though this location is much closer to Dorian than Florida is ever going to be. Right now the highest wind gust anywhere in the FL coast right now is about 30 mph, and even if the storm does go NNW as forecast, why would any location in FL or for that matter GA have winds remotely close to hurricane force in gusts, much less sustained? This type of extreme caution is certain to lead to even more public skepticism over future hurricane forecasts and evacuation orders which would result in people staying put when they really should evacuate. My totally worthless and biased opinion....

The "traditional" hurricane models are sure saying that Dorian stays well offshore even in NC, and with still no west component evident on sat or radar, I have a feeling that this will verify. There has been a clear west bias with synoptic models and the HWRF all along. One thing is for certain IMO is that FL and GA are in the clear mostly, the hurricane watches/warnings there are overdone and should be cancelled.

According to the Recon the pressure went up about 20mb during the ERC. Also, the new Euro is a tad farther southeast offshore the Carolinas.

12Z GFS is a tad faster but otherwise very similar to the 06Z run.

On a side note, what the heck is wrong with the recon planes? Looks like at least two had to abort, no fixes now for quite a while...C'mon AF, get your sh%it together...

New GFS has shifted right a bit off FL but then it still hits NC, but much weaker.

Josh Morgerman, crazy person, is right in the path on Great Abaco Island. https://twitter.com/iCyclone

The Euro has no US landfall.

Euro misses FL altogether LOL.

12Z GFS big time right shift....

FWIW the latest HWRF has it up to almost a cat 5....

Euro second landfall FL panhandle Thursday.

The forecast soundings for the LA area are insane, could be a few really nasty and unfortunately deadly tornadoes.. Tomorrow here in Atlanta we will get round one with the usual unfavorable timing of 15-18Z, then the cold front will re-fire but will there be enough instability for really significant severe, since the dynamics/shear are still very strong.