Fall Banter/LibertyBell

[NEG NAO]

1 minute ago, sussexcountyobs said:

This is not rocket science.  It's pretty simple.

then why hasn't the problem been solved and corrected ?

 

[WeatherGeek2025]

Central Park always under measures! How is that even legal!?

[North and West]

then why hasn't the problem been solved and corrected ?
 

They’re in bed with Big Melt.


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[CPcantmeasuresnow]

2 minutes ago, sussexcountyobs said:

This is not rocket science.  It's pretty simple.

Consider that the official Measurer, or whatever title you want to give him, was the Central Park Zookeeper from 1992-2014. A period of some of the worst under measured storms of all time. 
They handed it off to the Conservancy and from 2015-2019 it improved quite a bit. Since 2020 they have been as bad as the zookeeper was.

[Stormlover74]

5 minutes ago, NEG NAO said:

then why hasn't the problem been solved and corrected ?

 

Because they dont think there is a problem 

[NEG NAO]

3 minutes ago, North and West said:

They’re in bed with Big Melt.


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seriously - this official chart contains those inaccurate measurements - not good

monthlyseasonalsnowfall.pdf

[sussexcountyobs]

8-9 million people in NYC.. Everyone is constantly taking BS selfies and what not on their phone. No one can go to where CP measures, and document it? Is it off limits like Area 51? Ridiculous. 

[jm1220]

7 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

Consider that the official Measurer, or whatever title you want to give him, was the Central Park Zookeeper from 1992-2014. A period of some of the worst under measured storms of all time. 
They handed it off to the Conservancy and from 2015-2019 it improved quite a bit. Since 2020 they have been as bad as the zookeeper was.

NWS needs to either put a dedicated observer there who will do it properly or just use obs from someplace else. 

[cleetussnow]

We need a pinned thread for all of the posts in this forum about central park snow measurements.  There’s more chatter about that than almost any other topic.  And it’s the same banal banter and thats all it is at this point.

Yes central park sucks at measuring snow. We agree.  Move on and go touch grass...  or snow.  And if you want, you go can measure whatever snow there is for yourself.  Write it down, come back in this thread and tell us what your findings are.  

[sussexcountyobs]

5 minutes ago, cleetussnow said:

We need a pinned thread for all of the posts in this forum about central park snow measurements.  There’s more chatter about that than almost any other topic.  And it’s the same banal banter and thats all it is at this point.

Yes central park sucks at measuring snow. We agree.  Move on and go touch grass...  or snow.  And if you want, you go can measure whatever snow there is for yourself.  Write it down, come back in this thread and tell us what your findings are.  

Exactly. City folk should stop complaining. If you live close? Go there. Measure. Document it. Done.. That's what I've been saying.  Why is this so hard?

[NorthShoreWx]

1 hour ago, jm1220 said:

NWS needs to either put a dedicated observer there who will do it properly or just use obs from someplace else. 

And since we'll sooner see omega humping an out of control NAM run than budget approval for a dedicated observer in the park, you know which way this is more likely to go.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

36 minutes ago, sussexcountyobs said:

Exactly. City folk should stop complaining. If you live close? Go there. Measure. Document it. Done.. That's what I've been saying.  Why is this so hard?

I live 50 miles north of NYC and I've been complaining for decades. I created this screename in the late 90's on the old Bill Evans AccuWeather weather forum and there was good reason I chose it. I had several discussions with Bill back in that time period and he said he thought the yearly average in CP was probably 4-5 inches higher than what was actually recorded. 

Years later 2011-2014, I discussed the problem with the NWS many times leading to the change to the conservancy taking the measurements in  2015. They always acknowledged the problem but always stated how difficult it is to get a reliable person to the park to measure. They even asked at one point if I wanted to do it, considering the distance I politely declined. 
 

Like I said earlier they then took the measurements from the Central Park zookeeper in late 2014 and started with the Conservancy taking the measurements. To repeat myself it did improve significantly from 2015-2019 but has been pretty much a shit show again since 2020.

There are most likely several reasons for their constant under measurements. Where they measure, when they measure, not measuring immediately after events end so no compression and settling,and just having an organization measuring that doesn't seem to care about accuracy and timeliness.

The more I write the more I think I'll be talking with them again tomorrow LOL.

 

 

[NorthShoreWx]

 

850
FXUS61 KOKX 212101 CCA
AFDOKX

Area Forecast Discussion...CORRECTED
National Weather Service New York NY
401 PM EST Sun Dec 21 2025

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QPF overall will be light, largely near or under a quarter inch, which will limit any potential snowfall. Forecast amounts have
not changed significantly from the previous forecast, with up to an inch along the coast, and 1 to 2 inches moving inland northof interstates 80 and 95, with highest amounts in the elevated areas of the interior LoHud Valley, interior SW Connecticut, and NE NJ. Central Park Snow Observer activation is not expected at this time.