Fall Banter/LibertyBell

[donsutherland1]

12 hours ago, NorthShoreWx said:

Winter is back!  The usual optimists serial posting snow maps and the usual boo-birds throwing hot water all over them.  That's what I'm talking about; bring it on! 

Maybe the "boo-birds" will be throwing snow balls, not hot water, on Sunday.

[IrishRob17]

[binbisso]

Can someone please explain to me how the nyc metro area got a 6" snowstorm on dec 14 with a raging pacific jet. -pna, +ao and Nao and no phase 8 mjo mismatch. I understand from reading this forum for at least several years that nola. Tallahassee, richmond, DC, ac and northern New England can but I thought it was impossible for that to happen in the nyc metro area. I border the bronx and will likely finish with 6" + so I am not 20 or more miles away

[North and West]

Can someone please explain to me how the nyc metro area got a 6" snowstorm on dec 14 with a raging pacific jet. -pna, +ao and Nao and no phase 8 mjo mismatch. I understand from reading this forum for at least several years that nola. Tallahassee, richmond, DC, ac and northern New England can but I thought it was impossible for that to happen in the nyc metro area. I border the bronx and will likely finish with 6" + so I am not 20 or more miles away

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[winterwx21]

On 11/26/2025 at 1:27 PM, forkyfork said:

i hope we get endless failed snow threats and they turn everyone's spirits into ashes

LOL. 

[Rjay]

12 hours ago, winterwx21 said:

LOL. 

He won

 

 

[WE GOT HIM]

7 minutes ago, Rjay said:

He won

 

 

Lfg

[NorthShoreWx]

On 12/12/2025 at 1:54 AM, donsutherland1 said:

Maybe the "boo-birds" will be throwing snow balls, not hot water, on Sunday.

Score one for the optimists.

[IrishRob17]

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[NorthShoreWx]

This isn't good for us wx types regardless of how you feel about CC:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/trump-administration-dissolve-key-climate-research-agency-2025-12-17/

 

 

[North and West]

This isn't good for us wx types regardless of how you feel about CC:
https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/trump-administration-dissolve-key-climate-research-agency-2025-12-17/
 
 

Serious question: What does it do? is it redundant? Personally didn’t vote for him and don’t deny a warming climate, but what do we lose?

Not asking snarky questions so not fishing for snarky responses; just wonder if it’s not something that’s already done elsewhere. (e.g., we have a ton of overlap elsewhere in government that’s used inefficiently)


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[NorthShoreWx]

1 hour ago, North and West said:

Serious question: What does it do? is it redundant? Personally didn’t vote for him and don’t deny a warming climate, but what do we lose?

Not asking snarky questions so not fishing for snarky responses; just wonder if it’s not something that’s already done elsewhere. (e.g., we have a ton of overlap elsewhere in government that’s used inefficiently)


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I can't swear it isn't redundant, but a lot of the climate data we look at comes from there.

[Volcanic Winter]

I declare today a national day of mourning, “Pack Obliteration Day.”
 

Repeat after me: ‘together our packs are stronger than stone, as we shovel our steps and uncover our homes, in unison let our voices say - Mother Nature, dammit, give us more snow! Before our packs grow sad,  forever alone.’

[Dark Star]

So, snow squall warnings have been in effect since 2023.  I don't recall any issued for 20 miles around NYC.  I would hate to see any issued for this particular area.  While we have seen squalls laying a quick coating, I would be bold enough to say it would be nothing like what the warning was intended for, for severe squalls coming off the lakes.  However, it seems these things are relative.  To me, an actual snow squall creates true whiteout conditions, where you can't see 10 car lengths ahead of you, and/or snows a few inches in a matter of minutes.  NYC immediate metro will probably never see one of these.  The ferocity almost always wanes as it passes the Appalachians and then the Watchungs.  Areas like White Plains or NW Jersey may have seen something like that.  Peopel will rationalize, "well if it warns people of an impending light squall, people will be better prepared and perhaps avoid traveling at that time", then it is okay to issue the warning, no matter how minimal it is.  I just don't want to see it issued here.  Most of us have never experienced TRUE whiteout conditions.  I couldn't imagine not being able to see my hand outstretched in front of me because of snow.   -  Crochety Old Fart -