June 2025 discussion-obs: Summerlike

[LibertyBell]

Just now, IrishRob17 said:

There are the Mesonet locations 

Is there any way to access their data on wunderground or a different site that has a similar format? I would love to see it in real time!

 

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, IrishRob17 said:

There are the Mesonet locations 

oh New York State Mesonet, so this would cover all of Nassau County too?

[MJO812]

Its already 85 degrees here in Brooklyn. Awful.

[Stormlover74]

While we are under a rare enhanced threat the hrrr keeps most of the activity to the south

[LibertyBell]

5 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said:

There are the Mesonet locations 

http://nysmesonet.org/

It only shows one spot per county, Rob =\ For Nassau County it's only Wantagh, I was hoping they had one in SW Nassau County too, in either Lynbrook or Valley Stream.

[SACRUS]

 

85  / 74

[SACRUS]

 

More clouds 3 - 4 hours away

 

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, MJO812 said:

Its already 85 degrees here in Brooklyn. Awful.

thats not even hot.... wait til 1 pm lol

[wdrag]

1 hour ago, SACRUS said:

 

Only caveat on Sunday is clouds (debris) from the MCS to the north and any storms that make it south, but agree Sunday hits 90 as it should clear out and be hot enough in gerneral (overall) especially in the hot spots and the more south you go.

Long daylight. Max t could be 11a or 5P. I’ll check tonight but I think mcs will rise through by sunrise Sunday

[LibertyBell]

9 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

http://nysmesonet.org/

It only shows one spot per county, Rob =\ For Nassau County it's only Wantagh, I was hoping they had one in SW Nassau County too, in either Lynbrook or Valley Stream.

https://www.nysmesonet.org/networks/nyc

We need one of these for Nassau County too!!

The NYC Micronet

The New York City Micronet is a dense network of 23 weather stations, 18 owned by Consolidated Edison Company of New York, Inc., and 5 owned by the NYS Mesonet. Collectively, the Micronet provides critical real-time weather data during high-impact events for utility operations and long-term data for monitoring climate change. These data are essential for understanding short to long-term power infrastructure needs. The New York City Micronet was designed and installed by the New York State Mesonet, and the Mesonet continues to maintain network operations. Ten sites are located at ground level, eleven sites are deployed on roof tops, and two sites are located on a pier. A majority of Micronet stations measure air temperature, relative humidity, precipitation, and pressure. A mix of stations also measure wind speed and direction, solar radiation, snow depth, soil temperature and moisture, surface (skin) temperature, water temperature, and water level. Micronet data are collected every 5 minutes, quality controlled, archived and made available to users in real-time. The 18 Con Edison sites and 5 NYS Mesonet sites located in NYC are shown in the data display below.

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

https://www.nysmesonet.org/networks/nyc

We need one of these for Nassau County too!!

The NYC Micronet

The New York City Micronet is a dense network of 23 weather stations, 18 owned by Consolidated Edison Company of New York, Inc., and 5 owned by the NYS Mesonet. Collectively, the Micronet provides critical real-time weather data during high-impact events for utility operations and long-term data for monitoring climate change. These data are essential for understanding short to long-term power infrastructure needs. The New York City Micronet was designed and installed by the New York State Mesonet, and the Mesonet continues to maintain network operations. Ten sites are located at ground level, eleven sites are deployed on roof tops, and two sites are located on a pier. A majority of Micronet stations measure air temperature, relative humidity, precipitation, and pressure. A mix of stations also measure wind speed and direction, solar radiation, snow depth, soil temperature and moisture, surface (skin) temperature, water temperature, and water level. Micronet data are collected every 5 minutes, quality controlled, archived and made available to users in real-time. The 18 Con Edison sites and 5 NYS Mesonet sites located in NYC are shown in the data display below.

hmmm AI says that Nassau County is part of the micronet, the closest one to me is in Howard Beach lol

 

AI Overview

 

Yes, Nassau County is part of the New York City Micronet, a network of weather stations providing real-time data. This network is managed by the New York State Mesonet and provides critical information for various purposes, including utility operations, climate change monitoring, and power infrastructure planning. 

 

The New York City Micronet is comprised of 22 weather stations and is maintained by the New York State Mesonet. This network is designed to provide real-time weather data, which is particularly useful during high-impact weather events. The data collected by the Micronet is also used for long-term climate change monitoring and for understanding the needs of the power infrastructure. 

[bluewave]

26 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

That is a pretty large distance.  I guess there really is no way to use one number to describe the city.  We don't even have any sensors in Staten Island, Brooklyn or The Bronx, so no way to know if the 4 official stations we have properly cover the weather in those boroughs (we can always use wunderground, but I've found quite a few of those run too hot. maybe they're not properly sited.)

 

The micronet has stations in all 5 boroughs. 
 

The NYC Micronet

The New York City Micronet is a dense network of 23 weather stations, 18 owned by Consolidated Edison Company of New York, Inc., and 5 owned by the NYS Mesonet. Collectively, the Micronet provides critical real-time weather data during high-impact events for utility operations and long-term data for monitoring climate change. These data are essential for understanding short to long-term power infrastructure needs. The New York City Micronet was designed and installed by the New York State Mesonet, and the Mesonet continues to maintain network operations. Ten sites are located at ground level, eleven sites are deployed on roof tops, and two sites are located on a pier. A majority of Micronet stations measure air temperature, relative humidity, precipitation, and pressure. A mix of stations also measure wind speed and direction, solar radiation, snow depth, soil temperature and moisture, surface (skin) temperature, water temperature, and water level. Micronet data are collected every 5 minutes, quality controlled, archived and made available to users in real-time. The 18 Con Edison sites and 5 NYS Mesonet sites located in NYC are shown in the data display below.

 

[LibertyBell]

Looking at the cams for all these micronets, the one at Corona looks to be in the middle of a concrete parking lot LOL.....about as artificial an environment as you can get.

[LibertyBell]

Just now, bluewave said:

The micronet has stations in all 5 boroughs. 
 

 

But not in Nassau County, why not? I'm going to use the one in Howard Beach which is the one that's closest to me.

The one in Corona whos cam I just saw is in about as artificial a climate as I have ever seen, a concrete parking lot lol

 

[bluewave]

24 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Looking at the cams for all these micronets, the one at Corona looks to be in the middle of a concrete parking lot LOL.....about as artificial an environment as you can get.

The whole neighborhood is concrete in Corona and the rest of highly urbanized Queens neighborhoods with very little grass. So it’s representative of what people living in the neighborhood experience. You can be considered very lucky in NYC if you have even have a tiny patch of grass. Backyards are a real luxury for all but the higher value properties. Even in the LB West End there is very little grass.

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, bluewave said:

The micronet has stations in all 5 boroughs. 
 

 

why is Con Ed fine with putting all their equipment out there and the Central Park people hide their sensors behind trees? Why dont they just surround it with an electric fence and anyone who tries to touch it gets zapped?

 

[hooralph]

So ah, anyone know what the NYT uses for their model? Props to them for calling attention to the coming heat but… they have the heat index maxing out at 94/95 for NYC.

[TWCCraig]

83/75

Actually hit 84 before 10am when there was more of a westerly wind

[donsutherland1]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

Do you think at least partially transferring the NWS/NOAA functions to private ownership would help matters? Perhaps we can get a rich billionaire who cares about climate and weather to fund a supercomputing system sufficiently powerful to run 4dVar?

I'm being ironic, I don't think any of them care, but the funding has to come from somewhere and we have a few billionaires funding space trips so why not get them to invest in climate and weather too? Note how NASA has partnerships with these private space companies, maybe NWS and NOAA need to do the same thing?  Public funding only gets you so far and we are in the era when people want to spend less and save more, so maybe we are on the way to privatizing everything now and shifting the burden to those who can afford it....

 

I don't have much expectation that partial privatization or private partnerships would address the structural modeling issue. A model that would be publicly available wouldn't produce high profit margins. Only sustainable competitive advantages requiring exclusivity or near exclusivity in solutions, would command such profit margins. Thus, investments wouldn't be devoted to models per se. 

[donsutherland1]

1 hour ago, Sundog said:

How does the EURO AI work? It's not as hot as the regular Euro and focuses the 100 degree heat over NJ instead of taking it east through NYC and the coast. 

Unfortunately, I don't have such details and I am not aware of their being published. Given where things currently stand, I think its solution is probably somewhat more likely than that on the operational AI. Nevertheless, even at this timeframe, it is subject to errors, so one can't fully rule out more widespread heat. 

[WE GOT HIM]

[SACRUS]

 

87 / 73 here

[MANDA]

Heat index already really nasty.

 

 

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, WE GOT HIM said:

who's the guy in the hot tub, Forky?

 

[Sundog]

The 6z AI was much stronger and closer to us with the early Sunday thunderstorm complex compared to 0z. 

The regular Euro has it going through northern New England. 

[LibertyBell]

It's fun to track these micronets, Corona has hit 90 already

Howard Beach 82, Ozone Park 84

 

Tremont in the Bronx is 89 as is Fresh Kills in Staten Island

Water temp near 59th street is 74

 

East River water temp is 57

Manhattan Mesonet 85

Brownstone Brooklyn 87

why don't any of these show wind direction?

 

[Sundog]

On 6/16/2025 at 1:56 PM, Sundog said:

Euro now has 107 degrees next Tuesday in NYC.

Hey Forky was I scared when I posted this on Monday?

 

[LibertyBell]

13 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Hey Forky was I scared when I posted this on Monday?

 

why does it show just one number instead of the projected highs all across the region?

[LibertyBell]

Just a snapshot in time, some stations are going up while others are going down, this will be fun to track through the heatwave.

 

 

[Sundog]

5 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

why does it show just one number instead of the projected highs all across the region?

Because I was hovering over Central Queens and I took a screenshot while in temps and wind barbs mode. 

That mode doesn't show temps across the area, just where you put your cursor.