LibertyBell Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, HVSnowLover said: Same I always loved geography. My goal since young was to move off an island and onto the continent for better luck during winter storms. Unfortunately where I am now is way closer to the city than I had hoped to be at this point in my life. You know the other thing I always had trouble with? Convincing people that Australia actually was bigger than Greenland. That damn Mercator Projection! I always preferred globes to flat maps even back then. I remember this back in 3rd grade too-- people simply wouldn't believe me when I told them Greenland was smaller than South America and Australia....I actually didn't know what the Mercator Projection was until the following year, but I did notice the lines of latitude stretched out the farther north you went and I used that to figure out that Greenland was no way anywhere near as big as either of those continents. The other thing I clearly remember was that people didn't believe me when I told them that that little hook part at the extreme north point of Minnesota (near Lake of the Woods) was the northernmost point in the 48 states.....noooo, they said, Maine is further north, see, it's higher up! Nevermind the fact that latitude lines are curved and clearly show northern Maine isn't as north as northernmost Minnesota is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 minute ago, the_other_guy said: Then those people are morons. No offense. That societal statement aside, I always hated that NYC and its residents are so detached from the water around them. Perhaps its greatest asset and so little access Yeah I dont get it either-- they either dont travel between boroughs or it doesn't click with them that all those bridges and tunnels they need to use to get off of Manhattan means they are on an island LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, HVSnowLover said: Yea maybe but i'd rather have snow that lasts all winter than have occasional blizzards and then not much else. I would say I can't tell if its biased off the last 10 years but I didn't realize how much better Long Island especially north shore is for snow than the 5 boroughs. If I don't end up in Orange County at some point, I might consider moving to LI, the sea breeze in the summer and cooler nights would be nice too, although can also get cooler summer nights not that far north of the city. We welcome everyone in Orange County and you stated our case beautifully. I’ve had only 22 inches of snow this winter so far, which is below normal, yet I’ve had a solid snow cover for 33 straight days and counting. That may end by Friday or Saturday but still a decent run. And we still do well on most coastals. Just need inside the benchmark in most cases to jackpot, instead of on or outside it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HVSnowLover Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_coastal_plain#/media/File:Atlantic_Coastal_Plain.svg Based on that non of the subforum is actually the coast except Jersey Shore and LI but for meteorological purposes I find it hard to say that doesn't extend a bit further NW and also further up the coast to Boston and Maine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, HVSnowLover said: Yea maybe but i'd rather have snow that lasts all winter than have occasional blizzards and then not much else. I would say I can't tell if its biased off the last 10 years but I didn't realize how much better Long Island especially north shore is for snow than the 5 boroughs. If I don't end up in Orange County at some point, I might consider moving to LI, the sea breeze in the summer and cooler nights would be nice too, although can also get cooler summer nights not that far north of the city. Having a place in the Poconos i agree with you there is absolutely nothing as peaceful or as beautiful as getting a little bit of light snow every day for days and then having that snowcover stick around for an entire winter. I had a 5 day flurrystorm one week while NYC had just dry and cold windy weather....they were lake effect streamers that got enhanced by the Poconos elevation and became a real snowstorm in the mountains where my house is at 2200 ft. It would die down every night but pick back up during the day-- my perfect combo. You know that year we had snow in May? Well at my house (and I'm nowhere near as north as you are, I'm at the latitude of the Bronx)....we had an accumulating snowstorm Friday night and then snow squalls all day Saturday with wind chills below 0 and the snow actually stuck, with visibility near 0....and then the following Monday we had a severe thunderstorm with hail that I could see accumulate on my pool cover! What a 4 day period that was! The best of both seasons right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, CPcantmeasuresnow said: We welcome everyone in Orange County and you stated our case beautifully. I’ve had only 22 inches of snow this winter so far, which is below normal, yet I’ve had a solid snow cover for 33 straight days and counting. That may end by Friday or Saturday but still a decent run. And we still do well on most coastals. Just need inside the benchmark in most cases to jackpot, instead of on or outside it. I hope I made a good case for the Poconos too in my above post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HVSnowLover Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, LibertyBell said: Having a place in the Poconos i agree with you there is absolutely nothing as peaceful or as beautiful as getting a little bit of light snow every day for days and then having that snowcover stick around for an entire winter. I had a 5 day flurrystorm one week while NYC had just dry and cold windy weather....they were lake effect streamers that got enhanced by the Poconos elevation and became a real snowstorm in the mountains where my house is at 2200 ft. It would die down every night but pick back up during the day-- my perfect combo. You know that year we had snow in May? Well at my house (and I'm nowhere near as north as you are, I'm at the latitude of the Bronx)....we had an accumulating snowstorm Friday night and then snow squalls all day Saturday with wind chills below 0 and the snow actually stuck, with visibility near 0....and then the following Monday we had a severe thunderstorm with hail that I could see accumulate on my pool cover! What a 4 day period that was! The best of both seasons right there. Im barely past the bronx lol. I consider myself NYC although this forum seems to consider lower Westchester a different world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, HVSnowLover said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_coastal_plain#/media/File:Atlantic_Coastal_Plain.svg Based on that non of the subforum is actually the coast except Jersey Shore and LI but for meteorological purposes I find it hard to say that doesn't extend a bit further NW and also further up the coast to Boston and Maine. Either way I hope they include Brooklyn and Queens as part of long island lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, HVSnowLover said: Im barely past the bronx lol. I consider myself NYC although this forum seems to consider lower Westchester a different world. "upstate NY" I would argue that north of Tarrytown is upstate lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HVSnowLover Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: "upstate NY" I would argue that north of Tarrytown is upstate lol Agree Tarrytown is right along I287 so makes sense. Thats always the cut off in my mind although I guess everyone has microclimates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HVSnowLover Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: We welcome everyone in Orange County and you stated our case beautifully. I’ve had only 22 inches of snow this winter so far, which is below normal, yet I’ve had a solid snow cover for 33 straight days and counting. That may end by Friday or Saturday but still a decent run. And we still do well on most coastals. Just need inside the benchmark in most cases to jackpot, instead of on or outside it. Yes after a 1-2 years living in Ulster County and being on the other side of coastals, Orange County does seem to be the sweet spot in terms of far enough NW to have barely any marine influence and close enough SE to still get hit by storms that track near the BM. Similar to the dreaded I287 cutoff with rain/snow line, I84 seems to be the dreaded solid snow vs barely anything line in terms of coastals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 24 minutes ago, the_other_guy said: Then those people are morons. No offense. That societal statement aside, I always hated that NYC and its residents are so detached from the water around them. Perhaps its greatest asset and so little access While surrounded by water on LI it's hard to access (during the summer when you most want to) without paying to do so. That drives me nuts. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 hour ago, rclab said: Good evening Irish. I do manage to find my way around the Postage Stamp. I admit it’s been tricky at times. Stay well, as always …. Evening Rich, putting the old Rand McNally to good use I see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, gravitylover said: While surrounded by water on LI it's hard to access (during the summer when you most want to) without paying to do so. That drives me nuts. and we have Robert Moses to blame for a lot of the way the highways are structured too. I wish we could build a statue of him somewhere just so we could later tear it down and shatter it to pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Not all of manhattan is an island guys. Sorry to burst the geography bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HVSnowLover Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, BxEngine said: Not all of manhattan is an island guys. Sorry to burst the geography bubble. How so? What part of Manhattan doesn't have water surrounding it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 hours ago, LibertyBell said: "upstate NY" I would argue that north of Tarrytown is upstate lol The term upstate in NY seems to be used by everyone in the state to refer to the area north of them. I’m in Orange County and in no way do I consider this upstate. Geographically Albany is the middle latitudes of the state. Binghamton is the southern tier of NY. Of course since 80% Of the residence live below the Tappanzee Bridge everything above seems to somehow become upstate to most people. And yes I said the TAPPAN ZEE bridge. Enough said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 All of the continents are just big islands 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, BxEngine said: Not all of manhattan is an island guys. Sorry to burst the geography bubble. That is correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: The term upstate in NY seems to be used by everyone in the state to refer to the area north of them. I’m in Orange County and in no way do I consider this upstate. Geographically Albany is the middle latitudes of the state. Binghamton is the southern tier of NY. Of course since 80% Of the residence live below the Tappanzee Bridge everything above seems to somehow become upstate to most people. And yes I said the TAPPAN ZEE bridge. Enough said. I dont believe in bridges being named by family members after their deceased family members either. I think the name is being changed back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 What part of Manhattan isn't an island? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Juliancolton said: All of the continents are just big islands it's true....Australia specifically is an island and a continent (island continent)? But I'd argue against considering the Americas or AfroEurasia that way (I group them together but they are only separated by two artificial canals.) Australia and Antarctica are island continents though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just now, gravitylover said: What part of Manhattan isn't an island? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marble_Hill,_Manhattan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just now, gravitylover said: What part of Manhattan isn't an island? and how can that even be possible? if humanity has done something artificial to make part of Manhattan not an island that shouldn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Juliancolton said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marble_Hill,_Manhattan it's artificially separated stupid humanity doing dumb things to interfere with nature. Marble Hill became an island in the Harlem River when it was separated from the island of Manhattan by the construction of the Harlem Ship Canal in 1895. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just now, LibertyBell said: it's artificially separated stupid humanity doing dumb things to interfere with nature. Marble Hill became an island in the Harlem River when it was separated from the island of Manhattan by the construction of the Harlem Ship Canal in 1895. Aren't you the guy who's always carrying on about geoengineering? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 30 minutes ago, HVSnowLover said: How so? What part of Manhattan doesn't have water surrounding it? looks like part is an artificial island because humanity loves to tamper with nature and make their own artificial islands I guess. China does this kind of crap too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Juliancolton said: Aren't you the guy who's always carrying on about geoengineering? lol yea, but it's mostly in jest it's a way to vent frustration at our climate. Sort of like how I change ocean/land distribution in Universe Sandbox lol. One time I dragged the solar system to a different part of the galaxy to see if it would trigger the next ice age. Stuff to do when a storm busts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 minute ago, LibertyBell said: it's artificially separated stupid humanity doing dumb things to interfere with nature. Marble Hill became an island in the Harlem River when it was separated from the island of Manhattan by the construction of the Harlem Ship Canal in 1895. A good part of lower Manhattan was also created by “stupid humanity”. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 minute ago, IrishRob17 said: A good part of lower Manhattan was also created by “stupid humanity”. I'd like to see what NYC and Long Island looked like when settlers first got here and met the Native Americans. I bet most of the area was wooded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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