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Severe Threat Saturday 8/4/12


tornadotony

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The GFS and the Euro are in fairly good agreement about a potent shortwave trough impacting the Lakes region on Saturday. It's far too early to get to specifics, but with the amount of shear progged over the region and August-like moisture/instability likely in place, a fairly significant threat may evolve.

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Got my new avatar of the 240 kt+ couplet east of Tuscaloosa...

Your best chance is probably Friday night, through the day Saturday wisconsin, right now the timing for the state is not ideal. Although there definitely is also potential Saturday with the frontal passage. GFS QPF forecast for 96 hrs is actually quite interesting, fwiw...

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Still looks pretty impressive. Would think it would be enough to get SPC to outline a day4 threat later on tonight.

Thanks, although I noticed the low is actually way up in Ontario. It clearly seems like there is a fair amount of forcing anyway, but it concerns me that the low is that far removed from the convection.

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Plus veering LL winds = no bueno.

Either way, this shortwave is definitely rather impressive for early August, I know the MPX office has gone quite bullish with their wording...

GRB, MKX and ARX have all mentioned svr in some form in their AFD's.

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Day 3 slight risk for Eastern Wisconsin, just like Monday, but I'm bracing for and expecting a slower trend in the frontal passage, so I think this is more of a Central or even Western Wisconsin threat. Might expand east overnight, but it seems halfway inevitable the models will slow this down.

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IWX is liking the chance of some strong/severe storms with the frontal passage for Northern IN Saturday night/Sunday morning. They are biting on the more "active" Euro, portraying increasing bulk shear and 2-3 K of CAPE. SPC naso much. I'm not liking the timing for our area, but August is usually good for a round or two of nocturnal fun. At least it's something to watch other than the thermometer.

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DTX doesn't appear to be embracing the thought of any severe threats:

HWODTX

HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI

407 AM EDT THU AUG 2 2012

MIZ047>049-053>055-060>063-068>070-075-076-082-083-030815-

MIDLAND-BAY-HURON-SAGINAW-TUSCOLA-SANILAC-SHIAWASSEE-GENESEE-LAPEER-

ST. CLAIR-LIVINGSTON-OAKLAND-MACOMB-WASHTENAW-WAYNE-LENAWEE-MONROE-

407 AM EDT THU AUG 2 2012

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR PORTIONS OF SOUTHEAST

MICHIGAN.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT

THERE IS A CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS THROUGH TONIGHT AS A WEAK COLD

FRONT DROPS SOUTHWARD THROUGH THE STATE. ALTHOUGH SEVERE WEATHER

IS NOT EXPECTED...ANY STORMS THAT ARE ABLE TO FORM WILL BE CAPABLE

OF BRIEF HEAVY DOWNPOURS AND WIND GUSTS TO 40 MPH. STORM MOTION

WILL BE SOUTHEAST AT 25 MPH.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...FRIDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY

A SERIES OF LOW PRESSURE SYSTEMS WILL PRODUCE ACTIVE WEATHER

THROUGH THE WEEKEND. THE WEAK COLD FRONT MENTIONED ABOVE WILL

STALL OVER SOUTHERN MICHIGAN BRINGING A CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS

ON FRIDAY. THIS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY A SECOND STRONGER COLD FRONT

SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY THAT WILL ALSO BRING A CHANCE OF

THUNDERSTORMS.

.SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...

SPOTTER ACTIVATION WILL NOT BE NEEDED TODAY AND TONIGHT.

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Shear for this set-up seems a bit on the anemic side (with the Euro offering the best and deepest shear), basically because the upper-level support via the jet stream will be pretty far north of this area. This factor is a minus for tornadoes (c'mon, it's August) and organization. However, the shortwave trough and surface cold front are pretty potent for this time of year and are superimposed on a warm, moist airmass, and this may be enough to provide for organization into a respectable squall line over northern Illinois by around early evening on Saturday. Strong winds and hail -- and yes, some rain -- may be the things to watch for during this period. My confidence is medium to high for an event sufficient to disrupt outdoor activities and only medium for severe weather.

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Shear for this set-up seems a bit on the anemic side (with the Euro offering the best and deepest shear), basically because the upper-level support via the jet stream will be pretty far north of this area. This factor is a minus for tornadoes (c'mon, it's August) and organization. However, the shortwave trough and surface cold front are pretty potent for this time of year and are superimposed on a warm, moist airmass, and this may be enough to provide for organization into a respectable squall line over northern Illinois by around early evening on Saturday. Strong winds and hail -- and yes, some rain -- may be the things to watch for during this period. My confidence is medium to high for an event sufficient to disrupt outdoor activities and only medium for severe weather.

The one plus side with respect to the stronger shear that the Euro shows is that the NAM also is in agreement of stronger shear arriving after 00z Sunday for WI/IL/IN/MI as the LLJ gets cranking, the GFS is on an island with respect to the lack of shear plus how much confidence can you have in a model when it is showing a completely incorrect thermodynamic profile.

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The one plus side with respect to the stronger shear that the Euro shows is that the NAM also is in agreement of stronger shear arriving after 00z Sunday for WI/IL/IN/MI as the LLJ gets cranking, the GFS is on an island with respect to the lack of shear plus how much confidence can you have in a model when it is showing a completely incorrect thermodynamic profile.

Is that part of the reason the GFS has shifted drier with the frontal passage? Before it was showing Euro and NAM-esque amounts (around half an inch for many), but now it is one or two tenths inches for the majority of the region Saturday.

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Is that part of the reason the GFS has shifted drier with the frontal passage? Before it was showing Euro and NAM-esque amounts (around half an inch for many), but now it is one or two tenths inches for the majority of the region Saturday.

It has like no LLJ, and barely any moisture transport up here. Plus I have to believe it is too low on the temps at 850/surface, although surprisingly the dewpoints at the surface aren't too unrealistic for once.

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Considerable change from the Day 3 to the new Day 2

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...GREAT LAKES REGION/MIDWEST TO LOWER MO/MIDDLE MS VALLEYS...

WHILE SOME GUIDANCE VARIABILITY EXISTS...AND THERE ARE UNCERTAINTIES

REGARDING THE DETAILS OF REMNANT OVERNIGHT/EARLY DAY CONVECTION INTO

SATURDAY ACROSS THE UPPER MIDWEST...REASONABLE CONFIDENCE EXISTS FOR

SEVERE TSTMS ACROSS THE REGION ESPECIALLY SATURDAY AFTERNOON/NIGHT.

AIDED BY THE LARGE SCALE SCENARIO AS PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED

/CONSIDERABLE UPPER TROUGH/...STORMS ARE LIKELY TO DIURNALLY

INCREASE/INTENSIFY INITIALLY ACROSS THE UPPER MS RIVER VALLEY TO

LOWER MO/MIDDLE MS RIVER VALLEYS SATURDAY AFTERNOON. A CORRIDOR OF

MODERATE TO STRONG DESTABILIZATION SEEMS LIKELY TO OCCUR SATURDAY

AFTERNOON AHEAD OF AN EAST-SOUTHEASTWARD MOVING COLD FRONT. THE

STRONGEST WINDS ALOFT/VERTICAL SHEAR WILL TEND TO INITIALLY LAG THE

COLD FRONT IN MOST AREAS...BUT ANTICIPATED INSTABILITY/STRENGTHENING

VERTICAL SHEAR WILL SUPPORT SUSTAINED MULTICELLS WITH THE

POSSIBILITY OF SOME SUPERCELLS...WITH DAMAGING WINDS/SEVERE HAIL

POSSIBLE.

IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT STORMS COULD FURTHER INCREASE INTO SATURDAY

NIGHT...AT LEAST IN TERMS OF NUMBER/ORGANIZATION...PARTICULARLY

ACROSS THE LAKE MI VICINITY INCLUDING EASTERN WI/NORTHERN IL INTO

LOWER MI/INDIANA AND PERHAPS OH. NOCTURNALLY AIDED BOUNDARY LAYER

INHIBITION SHOULD BE OFFSET BY APPRECIABLY STRENGTHENING DEEP

FORCING FOR ASCENT/LOW TO MID TROPOSPHERIC FLOW AS THE PARENT SYSTEM

AMPLIFIES AND TAKES ON A MORE NEUTRAL TILT. THIS INCREASE IN

FORCING/VERTICAL SHEAR MAY CONTRIBUTE TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND

SUSTENANCE OF ONE /OR MORE/ MCS/S SATURDAY NIGHT...WITH AT LEAST AN

ISOLATED DAMAGING WIND POTENTIAL CONTINUING/SPREADING EASTWARD

THROUGH THE NIGHT.

Much more realistic sounding outlook than the low ball that was put out yesterday.

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