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February 28-29 Winter Storm


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Do you think southwestern Ontario gets a WSW for freezing rain issued tomorrow? I saw the special weather statement is already posted. On another note after looking at the map it looks like Waterloo is looking at just under a .25 inch, could be a nasty day here.

I doubt it. EC has occasionally issued winter storm watches for pure, or near pure, icing events in the past. However, it's usually only when the amount of ice would be sufficient to bring down trees and utility poles in a widespread fashion. We're probably talking 10mm of ice or more. This event looks like it'll be less than that, so I'd guess they issue a freezing rain warning tomorrow afternoon with no preceding watch.

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I forgive you :)

Wish the NWS would bring back heavy snow warnings. To me, WSWs should be reserved for multiple warning criteria winter weather phenomenon that occur simultaneously (or consecutively).

HSW I miss. I think that was 6" of snow in 12 hours or 8" of snow in 24 hours. Sometimes certain weather events need strong wording towards one precipitation type or the amount over x amount of time.

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I forgive you :)

Wish the NWS would bring back heavy snow warnings. To me, WSWs should be reserved for multiple warning criteria winter weather phenomenon that occur simultaneously (or consecutively).

I agree. Winter storm warnings used to have a lot more of a sinister feel to them back in the day, as they were used a little more diligently compared to now. Back in the "old days" a winter storm warning meant you were not only going to get heavy snow, but strong winds, drifting, and sometimes cold. Kind of like a low-end blizzard warning if you will.

I also miss the old "travelers advisories" and "snow advisories". Those have both been watered down into one conglomerate "winter weather advisory".

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0z ECMWF

LSE:

 
WED 00Z 29-FEB   1.2	 3.3    1016	  69	  77    0.02	 556	 543   
WED 06Z 29-FEB   1.2	 2.9    1008	  90	 100    0.22	 552	 546   
WED 12Z 29-FEB   3.2	 3.6	 996	  96	  73    0.35	 539	 542   
WED 18Z 29-FEB   3.4    -6.1	 997	  63	  59    0.03	 533	 535   
THU 00Z 01-MAR  -0.3    -7.8	 999	  76	  98    0.06	 531	 532   
THU 06Z 01-MAR  -1.6    -5.9    1004	  76	  87    0.02	 538	 535

MSN:

 
WED 00Z 29-FEB   2.8	 2.7    1018	  62	  93    0.01	 559	 544   
WED 06Z 29-FEB   2.3	 3.5    1011	  86	 100    0.16	 556	 548   
WED 12Z 29-FEB   3.6	 5.7    1000	  97	  56    0.36	 546	 547   
WED 18Z 29-FEB   6.5    -1.7	 999	  73	  12    0.04	 539	 540   
THU 00Z 01-MAR   3.4    -5.9    1001	  54	  98    0.00	 534	 533   
THU 06Z 01-MAR  -0.8    -6.6    1004	  66	  86    0.01	 538	 535

MKE:

 
WED 06Z 29-FEB   3.1	 3.0    1014	  79	  88    0.07	 558	 547   
WED 12Z 29-FEB   2.5	 5.0    1003	  96	  90    0.42	 552	 549   
WED 18Z 29-FEB  11.3	 4.4	 998	  81	   8    0.06	 543	 545

SBM:

 
WED 06Z 29-FEB   1.6	 0.7    1016	  80	  92    0.04	 556	 543   
WED 12Z 29-FEB   0.6	 1.8    1004	  96	 100    0.38	 550	 547   
WED 18Z 29-FEB   5.5	 2.6	 998	  94	  17    0.16	 541	 543   
THU 00Z 01-MAR   3.9    -5.2	 999	  63	  98    0.01	 533	 534   
THU 06Z 01-MAR   0.4    -7.1    1001	  74	  95    0.01	 534	 533   
THU 12Z 01-MAR  -0.1    -7.2    1005	  80	  41    0.01	 539	 535

MKG:

 
WED 06Z 29-FEB   1.9	 1.1    1018	  71	  97    0.02	 558	 544   
WED 12Z 29-FEB   0.9	 3.5    1007	  91	  97    0.32	 554	 548   
WED 18Z 29-FEB   4.6	 5.0    1001	  93	  17    0.19	 545	 545   
THU 00Z 01-MAR   4.5    -1.7    1001	  75	  63    0.01	 537	 536

GRR:

 
WED 00Z 29-FEB   0.5	 0.4    1024	  74	  72    0.02	 560	 541   
WED 06Z 29-FEB   0.8	 2.1    1019	  73	  96    0.00	 559	 544   
WED 12Z 29-FEB   0.6	 3.3    1009	  92	  98    0.31	 556	 548   
WED 18Z 29-FEB   4.5	 5.6    1002	  91	  23    0.23	 548	 546   
THU 00Z 01-MAR   5.0	 0.2    1001	  80	  46    0.01	 539	 538

BTL:

 
WED 06Z 29-FEB   1.9	 2.8    1018	  65	  92    0.01	 561	 546   
WED 12Z 29-FEB   1.4	 5.6    1009	  93	  95    0.31	 557	 550   
WED 18Z 29-FEB   8.8	 6.7    1002	  90	  20    0.17	 550	 548   
THU 00Z 01-MAR   8.9	 2.6    1001	  66	  33    0.01	 541	 541

ADG:

 
WED 06Z 29-FEB   0.3	 3.0    1020	  65	  87    0.01	 562	 546   
WED 12Z 29-FEB   1.0	 5.2    1011	  92	 100    0.23	 560	 550   
WED 18Z 29-FEB   5.9	 7.2    1004	  96	  22    0.23	 554	 551   
THU 00Z 01-MAR  10.9	 6.5    1000	  62	  18    0.01	 546	 546

DTW:

 
WED 12Z 29-FEB   0.1	 3.0    1013	  85	 100    0.16	 559	 549   
WED 18Z 29-FEB   2.5	 7.2    1006	  96	  15    0.23	 554	 550   
THU 00Z 01-MAR   7.0	 7.1    1000	  87	  28    0.01	 546	 546

PHN:

 
WED 00Z 29-FEB   1.2    -1.1    1027	  66	  77    0.03	 560	 538   
WED 06Z 29-FEB  -0.5	 0.7    1023	  57	  99    0.00	 559	 541   
WED 12Z 29-FEB   0.5	 0.1    1015	  66	 100    0.07	 558	 546   
WED 18Z 29-FEB   2.1	 4.3    1007	  88	  32    0.14	 554	 548   
THU 00Z 01-MAR   4.5	 6.6    1001	  97	  39    0.05	 546	 545   
THU 06Z 01-MAR   3.7    -1.7    1003	  84	  85    0.11	 539	 537

YKF:

 
WED 18Z 29-FEB  -0.4    -1.3    1012	  86	 100    0.20	 555	 545   
THU 00Z 01-MAR   0.2	 4.2    1005	  98	  28    0.08	 547	 543   
THU 06Z 01-MAR   0.4	 1.0    1003	  99	  24    0.12	 540	 538   
THU 12Z 01-MAR   1.8    -3.9    1004	  89	  97    0.02	 537	 535   
THU 18Z 01-MAR   3.2    -6.5    1007	  65	  66    0.02	 539	 534

YYZ:

 
WED 18Z 29-FEB   0.6    -2.2    1014	  83	 100    0.14	 554	 543   
THU 00Z 01-MAR   0.9	 2.2    1006	  97	  32    0.15	 548	 543   
THU 06Z 01-MAR   1.1	 2.0    1003	  97	  29    0.09	 541	 538   
THU 12Z 01-MAR   1.8    -3.6    1004	  94	  96    0.03	 537	 534   
THU 18Z 01-MAR   4.3    -6.1    1006	  67	  88    0.02	 538	 533

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I agree. Winter storm warnings used to have a lot more of a sinister feel to them back in the day, as they were used a little more diligently compared to now. Back in the "old days" a winter storm warning meant you were not only going to get heavy snow, but strong winds, drifting, and sometimes cold. Kind of like a low-end blizzard warning if you will.

I also miss the old "travelers advisories" and "snow advisories". Those have both been watered down into one conglomerate "winter weather advisory".

Yeah snow advisories have gone extinct too. I've heard of travel advisories being used over the mountains in the west.

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Saints-

Do you have any snow over in Rushford? Here it is just a few piles of ice in shaded spots..I'd say 95% of the ground is bare.

Open areas have none. Areas that have alot of shade like the golf course still have some but it is spotty. Tonights rain will take care of alot of that. Have a buddy that is a farmer and alot of there fields that recieve alot of sunlight are already frost free.

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MKX forecasting a whopping 0.2" of snow in Madison. I think we're officially not a part of the winter side of this event.

First rain band crossing the border, reports of mixed precip with it which isn't surprising given dewpoints in the low 20s across the area. Should be interesting to watch the precip type evolve at least.

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Would suggest that across regions being warned for freezing rain (WI-MI-ON-NY) much of the precip may fall as ice pellets or sleet and actual ice accumulation will tend to decrease east, while possibly being severe in the Twin Cities MN region east to about Sheboygan-Green Bay WI, but once into MI the ratio of ice pellets to freezing rain will increase to at least 50:50 cutting into ice accretion, and some parts of e/c MI and s/c ON could have an epic ice pellet storm trending to 5-8 inches of snow across u.p. MI, n third lower MI and central ON north of about Goderich to Elora to Barrie. Some snow will fall further south towards end of event as warm sector is ripped away by coastal development. This will create a relative dry slot in all forms precip near Lake Ontario and Ottawa valley before resumed moderate to heavy bands of snow and ice pellets/sleet/fr rain for New England, where snow likely to be heaviest around Rutland VT to MA/NH border, 5-10 inches.

Posted thoughts for further west in central western regional forum, basically saying 15-20 inches snow SD-ND-ncMN with heavy mixed zone east-west through MSP although tendency for mixture to back-door from rain to freezing rain, sleet, ice pellets, snow as storm occludes and swerves east tonight and Wednesday. Heaviest snow likely to be Fargo ND to Bemidji MN to Duluth MN with amounts slowly decreasing across Lake Superior regions but still 10-15 inch potential in parts of u.p. MI.

Until Lake Huron storm is likely to produce frequent thunder in precip zones but less active in Ontario, so possibly quite an active day for Wisconsin and Michigan with a lot of noise from thunder and ice pellets, watch for the rare TIPW+ reports. Some places across mixed/snow transition will have that nasty white glaze of frozen snow pellet splatter on roads, could be observed from northern part of MSP metro across parts of WI towards Traverse City MI, Alpena or just south then could show up in parts of Ontario near Hwy 9.

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I'm not sure how good the precip type algorithm is for the RUC but its pretty much showing straight up rain for SEMI

The strength of the surface cold air is not that strong. The NAM (even GFS) a couple days ago was looking like a great event. Since then it has been backing off (or I should say further north) more and more each run. This could very well end up as just a rain event or very short period mix/zr start for most of us in Southern MI. Personally I wish I was going to be in the West/Central UP through this weekend. Tomorrow will be snowstorm #2 with #3 likely on Friday night/Saturday.

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