blizznd Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Ya this should be a fun event, gonna be a very heavy wet snow and there may be a slight concern for some tree damage and powerlines with the wind picking up and everything plastered with snow. Flooding is going to be a nightmare, I could only imagine if we get a big storm to cut up west of us during the flood, I think the recent flood outlook said that the average precip for the 6 week period from march 1st to april 15th was around 1.6" of liquid, We are going to go well above that with the next event and we are only halfway through that period . Agree.... Red River crests will be pushed into April....and one big rain storm at the wrong time and bang. This is precisely why probablistic forecasts are done when the crest is so far out ....This storm and if we get another rain event in April would push us toward that 2 pct verifying.... One good think is that the heaviest qpf in the form of snow will hit the central RRV where the barest fields are and we can handle it the best.... So its direct impact on flooding outlook may not be terribly terribly huge. I dont know this for a fact though. I am not prevy to any insider info.... But our long range climate expert is seeing rain storms early and again mid month next month and he is concerned about those and their impacts. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizznd Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Ya this should be a fun event, gonna be a very heavy wet snow and there may be a slight concern for some tree damage and powerlines with the wind picking up and everything plastered with snow. Flooding is going to be a nightmare, I could only imagine if we get a big storm to cut up west of us during the flood, I think the recent flood outlook said that the average precip for the 6 week period from march 1st to april 15th was around 1.6" of liquid, We are going to go well above that with the next event and we are only halfway through that period . Mike.... Here is a really cool link from the CMC in Montreal it shows hourly pcpn and ptypes using the RGEM to 48hrs then the GGEM to 120 hrs. I dont know what it uses to determine Ptype so like any other model data use with some caution. I dont have terribly much experience using it so cant recall if it has done well or not in past mixed events.... http://collaboration.cmc.ec.gc.ca/cmc/cmdn/pcpn_type/pcpn_type_gem_reg.html Now it will pop up with a view of eastern Canada and northeastern US.... under zoom click on NOAM then animate. It will then load up the data..... Pretty slick.... This model seems to show enough warm air in the lowest levels to keep Fargo more rain thru very early Tues eve. Close call for sure. One thing is nearly certain it hammers us.... If GF misses this one I dont know what to do Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmichweather Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Mike.... Here is a really cool link from the CMC in Montreal it shows hourly pcpn and ptypes using the RGEM to 48hrs then the GGEM to 120 hrs. I dont know what it uses to determine Ptype so like any other model data use with some caution. I dont have terribly much experience using it so cant recall if it has done well or not in past mixed events.... http://collaboration...pe_gem_reg.html Now it will pop up with a view of eastern Canada and northeastern US.... under zoom click on NOAM then animate. It will then load up the data..... Pretty slick.... This model seems to show enough warm air in the lowest levels to keep Fargo more rain thru very early Tues eve. Close call for sure. One thing is nearly certain it hammers us.... If GF misses this one I dont know what to do Dan Nice, i've seen that page but always in the eastern us zoom so I didn't know you could change it to show the whole country. I definitely agree with what your climo guy is saying, the day 10-12 period around the early part of the month is starting to give a pretty good signal of a significant storm developing somewhere over the plains. Ya, at this point if we don't get hammered i'd be pretty disappointed, but man is that a tough forecast for down near Fargo, a degree or so either way is huge for them. One of my profs is convinced that there is going to be a sneaky warm layer that keeps us ice pellet/ freezing rain for longer than the models and is going with 4-6" that was before the latest gfs just came in. I told him 14" and that I won't be able to gloat because school will be cancelled Wednesday so we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toronto blizzard Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 QPF amounts for the 12z EURO for YYZ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 QPF amounts for the 12z EURO for YYZ? Thanks .34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toronto blizzard Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 .34" Thanks . Any idea on the Oz euro in terms of QPF for YYZ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo6899 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 .34" Mostly rain for us on the euro along M59 in oakland and macomb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Mostly rain for us on the euro along M59 in oakland and macomb? Your call. 2m and 850 mb temps within 1* of zero either way for the main brunt of the precip at ptk. 2 M 850 SFC SFC 700 6 HR 500 1000 TMP TMP PRS RHU RHU QPF HGT 500 © © (MB) (PCT) (PCT) (IN) (DM) THK TUE 18Z 22-MAR 3.3 0.2 1020 71 77 0.05 562 546 WED 00Z 23-MAR 1.1 0.0 1018 77 95 0.07 562 548 WED 06Z 23-MAR -0.1 -1.2 1013 89 99 0.32 558 548 WED 12Z 23-MAR -1.0 0.5 1007 91 94 0.18 553 547 WED 18Z 23-MAR -0.4 0.8 1003 88 57 0.18 545 543 THU 00Z 24-MAR -2.1 -3.3 1005 86 45 0.03 541 536 THU 06Z 24-MAR -3.7 -8.3 1008 84 93 0.05 537 531 THU 12Z 24-MAR -6.7 -9.5 1014 82 54 0.01 540 529 Smidge warmer at 850mb for DET 2 M 850 SFC SFC 700 6 HR 500 1000 TMP TMP PRS RHU RHU QPF HGT 500 © © (MB) (PCT) (PCT) (IN) (DM) THK TUE 18Z 22-MAR 2.4 0.5 1020 78 74 0.15 562 546 WED 00Z 23-MAR 1.0 0.4 1017 82 98 0.05 562 548 WED 06Z 23-MAR 0.3 -0.8 1013 89 99 0.31 559 548 WED 12Z 23-MAR -0.7 1.2 1007 92 95 0.20 554 548 WED 18Z 23-MAR -0.2 2.6 1002 90 58 0.17 546 544 THU 00Z 24-MAR -1.6 -2.3 1005 85 41 0.03 541 537 THU 06Z 24-MAR -2.9 -7.5 1007 83 96 0.05 537 532 THU 12Z 24-MAR -5.0 -9.1 1013 80 67 0.02 540 530 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Your call. 2m and 850 mb temps within 1* of zero either way for the main brunt of the precip at ptk. Smidge warmer at 850mb for DET I'll be honest this one might come down to the wire, and I could certainly see an advisory at the very least for mixed precip north of 8 mile. That right now looks almost certain actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toronto blizzard Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Did the 12z euro have some type of initilization error? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Grand Rapids added Kent Ionia Eaton Ingham and Clinton counties to the watch, so basically from 96 north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Grand Rapids added Kent Ionia Eaton Ingham and Clinton counties to the watch, so basically from 96 north. Why am I not surprised that Muskegon County is left out. With as many times as they leave us out of watches and warning, you'd think we never got wintry weather here. Oh well, I know we're right on the edge (like so many times the past two winters)! I thought I was leaving this "right on the line" crap when I moved from eastern PA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Yeah I am not sure why Muskegon was left out of the watch personally DTX going watch for all but Lenawee and Monroe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 From DTX's Afternoon AFD .LONG TERM...TUESDAY THROUGH SUNDAYA LATE SEASON WINTER STORM IS EXPECTED TO BRING A PLETHORA OF WEATHER TYPES ACROSS SOUTHEASTERN MICHIGAN AS A STRONG STATIONARY FRONT PARKS OVER THE REGION. THIS STORM IS EXPECTED TO HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE AREA BEGINNING TUESDAY NIGHT AND CONTINUING INTO THE LATE DAY TIMEFRAME ON THURSDAY. WITH A ZONAL TO SLIGHT NORTHWEST/SOUTHEAST STORM MOVEMENT THERE REMAINS A HIGH AMOUNT OF FORECAST UNCERTAINTY AND ERROR WITH NOT ONLY THE PLACEMENT OF QPF AMOUNTS BUT ALSO WITH WEATHER TYPE. A SLIGHT NORTHWARD OR SOUTHWARD ADJUSTMENT IN THE TRACK OF THE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL HAVE SERIOUS RAMIFICATIONS TO THE FORECAST. TUESDAY. A LEAD RIBBON OF ACTIVE 700-600 MB FRONTOGENESIS WILL LIFT NORTHWARD INTO THE CWA TOMORROW MORNING...CONTINUING NORTHWARD THROUGHOUT THE DAY. THIS IS SET TO OCCUR ALONG THE NORTH/COOL SIDE OF INCOMING RIDGE...IN A ZONE THAT IS OFTEN TIMES COINCIDENT WITH DEEP SYSTEM RELATIVE ISENTROPIC ASCENT. THERE WILL BE A DRY LAYER BETWEEN 900-700MB THAT WILL NEEDED TO BE SATURATED...BUT STRUCTURE OF LAPSE RATES ABOVE 700MB LENDS CONFIDENCE THAT PRECIPITATION WILL INDEED BE MEASURED FOR A WIDESPREAD AREA. THE AIRMASS IN RESIDENCE/PRECEDING WILL NOT BE TOO TERRIBLY COLD...SUGGESTING THAT MUCH OF THE PRECIPITATION DURING THE DAYTIME WILL BE RAIN AND OF LOW IMPACT. AN EXCEPTION ACROSS THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE CWA DUE TO WET BULB EFFECTS AT ONSET OF PRECIPITATION...BUT QPF WILL BE LACKING FOR THAT SPECIFIC AREA PRIOR TO 00Z WEDNESDAY. TUESDAY NIGHT. A MAJOR SCALE CONTRACTION AND SQUEEZING OF THE THETA FIELDS ALOFT WILL OCCUR TUESDAY NIGHT AS A VERY STRONG LEFT EXIT REGION QUADRANT OF INCOMING JET SLIDES INTO THE NATIONS HEARTLAND. WHAT IS SOMEWHAT UNIQUE WITH THIS SETUP IS THE OVERALL SIZE AND BREADTH OF THE INCOMING/PARENT PV ANOMALY. BEST SURGE OF MOISTURE INTO THE SYSTEM WILL BE AFTER 06Z WEDNESDAY AS LOW LEVEL JET/SOUTHERLY MOISTURE FLUX ARRIVES IMMEDIATELY AHEAD OF THE LOW TO MIDLEVEL LOW CIRCULATION. THE THETA E GRADIENT/TEMPERATURE GRADIENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE BAROCLINIC ZONE IS FORECASTED TO BECOME SPECTACULAR WHICH WILL PROVIDE FOR A HIGH END BAND OF ACTIVE FRONTOGENESIS. WHICH PORTION OF THE ELEVATED FRONTAL ZONE BECOMES THE MANUFACTURER OF PRECIPITATION AND PLACEMENT/MOVEMENT OF THIS BAND STILL REMAINS VERY MUCH IN QUESTION. VARYING MODEL SOLUTIONS HAVE SHOWN THE MAX QPF ZONES TO BE ANYWHERE FROM THE M 59 CORRIDOR NORTHWARD TO THE SAGINAW BAY VICINITY. UNFORTUNATELY THE 21.12Z GUIDANCE DID NOT PROVIDE FOR ANY DEFINITIVE ANSWERS. WHAT IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY CLEAR...HOWEVER...IS THAT THE THERMAL PROFILES (SHALLOW COLD LAYER ADVECTED INTO SOUTHEASTERN MICHIGAN/STRENGTH OF CANADIAN HIGH) SUGGESTS THAT THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR A HIGH END ICING EVENT. GENERALLY MADE SMALL CHANGES TO THE TUESDAY NIGHT FORECAST. ADDED THUNDER AND BROUGHT ALL RAIN A FARTHER NORTH INTO THE CWA. WEDNESDAY. LOW PRESSURE SHOULD RACE EASTWARD INTO OHIO/WEST VIRGINIA DURING THE MORNING HOURS ON WEDNESDAY. THIS WILL HAPPEN AS THE ZONAL JET CORE AND BEST SUPPORT TRANSLATES TO THE EAST. THE DEPTH OF THE LOW APPEARS THAT IT WILL BECOME INCREASINGLY TILTED ON WEDNESDAY/IF NOT TORN APART. THIS LIKELY MEANS THAT RATES WILL DRAMATICALLY DECREASE ON WEDNESDAY ON THE LARGE SCALE. TOOK A SLIGHTLY COOLER APPROACH TO THE WEATHER TYPES AND MARGINALLY INCLUDED MORE SNOWFLAKES/SLEET MENTION. COLD FRONT TO SLIDE THROUGH DURING THE WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON PERIOD. THE ARRIVAL OF THE COLD ALOFT WILL LIKELY LEAD TO ANOTHER BURST OF INSTABILITY PRECIPITATION DURING THE AFTERNOON HOURS. PTYPES AGAIN ARE IN QUESTION...BUT MIX IS SUPPORTED IN MOST SOLUTIONS. WITH THE CONSENSUS OF RECENT GUIDANCE...HAVE DECIDED TO ISSUE A WINTER STORM WATCH FOR ALL OF THE CWA BETWEEN 00Z WEDNESDAY AND 00Z THURSDAY WITH THE EXCEPTION FOR LENAWEE AND MONROE COUNTIES. BIGGEST MESSAGE THAT NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATED IS THE HIGH POTENTIAL FOR AN ICING EVENT GIVEN THE ATMOSPHERIC PATTERN. IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATED THAT A HIGH UNCERTAINTY FACTOR EXISTS FOR EXACT AMOUNTS AND PRECIPITATION TYPES AT ANY SPECIFIC LOCATION DUE TO THE ORIENTATION OF THE FRONTAL ZONE. ICING AMOUNTS OF GREATER THAN .5 INCHES WILL BE POSSIBLE IN A NARROW BAND SOMEWHERE FROM I 96 TO M 46. FOR STATIONARY BANDS OF CONVECTIVE FREEZING RAIN...ICING AMOUNTS OF BETWEEN .5 AND 1.00 INCHES APPEAR A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY GIVEN INTENSITY OF FORECASTED FGEN BAND AND AMOUNT OF INSTABILITY ALOFT.. SNOWFALL AMOUNTS OF 6 INCHES OR GREATER WILL BE POSSIBLE FOR AREAS ALONG AND NORTH OF M 46. BELOW NORMAL TEMPERATURES WILL PERSIST THROUGH THE WEEKEND AS COLD ARCTIC HIGH SETS UP OVER HUDSON BAY. PERSISTENT NORTHERLY FLOW WILL KEEP 850 MB TEMPS AT OR BELOW -10C...SUPPORTING HIGHS IN THE MID 30S. SHORTWAVE TROUGH EJECTING OUT OF THE SOUTHWESTERN CONUS NEXT WEEKEND WILL NEED TO BE WATCHED. LATEST 12Z GFS SHOWS NORTHERN EXTENT OF SNOW BRUSHING EXTREME SOUTHERN MICHIGAN. STILL PLENTY OF TIME FOR ADJUSTMENTS IN THE TRACK OF THIS LOW BUT FOR NOW WILL INTRODUCE LOW CHANCE POPS FOR SATURDAY NIGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 DTX talking about possible convective freezing rain. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Yeah I am not sure why Muskegon was left out of the watch personally DTX going watch for all but Lenawee and Monroe That is quite odd with Muskegon. Not like the wind is gonna be off the lake either. So not sure what to make of that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 That is quite odd with Muskegon. Not like the wind is gonna be off the lake either. So not sure what to make of that at all. This makes it even more humorous...Compare Muskegon's zone forecast to Lansing's forecast (who is in the watch) Muskegon: MIZ050-220815- MUSKEGON- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...MUSKEGON 452 PM EDT MON MAR 21 2011 .TONIGHT...PARTLY CLOUDY IN THE EVENING THEN BECOMING CLOUDY. A 30 PERCENT CHANCE OF RAIN SHOWERS OVERNIGHT. LOWS IN THE LOWER 30S. LIGHT AND VARIABLE WINDS. .TUESDAY...RAIN AND SLEET LIKELY UNTIL MIDDAY...THEN RAIN AND A CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS IN THE AFTERNOON. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 30S. EAST WINDS 5 TO 15 MPH WITH GUSTS TO AROUND 25 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 80 PERCENT. .TUESDAY NIGHT...RAIN AND A CHANCE OF FREEZING RAIN. ICE ACCUMULATION OF UP TO ONE QUARTER OF AN INCH. LOWS IN THE LOWER 30S. EAST WINDS 10 TO 20 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 90 PERCENT. .WEDNESDAY...RAIN...FREEZING RAIN AND SLEET UNTIL MIDDAY...THEN SNOW AND SLEET LIKELY IN THE AFTERNOON. HIGHS IN THE MID 30S. NORTHEAST WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 80 PERCENT. Lansing: MIZ067-220815- INGHAM- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...LANSING 452 PM EDT MON MAR 21 2011 ...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM TUESDAY EVENING THROUGH WEDNESDAY EVENING... .TONIGHT...PARTLY CLOUDY IN THE EVENING THEN BECOMING MOSTLY CLOUDY. LOWS IN THE LOWER 30S. LIGHT AND VARIABLE WINDS. .TUESDAY...RAIN AND SLEET LIKELY UNTIL MIDDAY...THEN RAIN AND A CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS IN THE AFTERNOON. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 30S. EAST WINDS 5 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 80 PERCENT. .TUESDAY NIGHT...RAIN OR FREEZING RAIN AND A CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS. ICE ACCUMULATION OF UP TO ONE QUARTER OF AN INCH. LOWS IN THE LOWER 30S. EAST WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 90 PERCENT. .WEDNESDAY...RAIN...FREEZING RAIN AND SLEET UNTIL MIDDAY...THEN SNOW...SLEET...RAIN LIKELY AND A CHANCE OF FREEZING RAIN IN THE AFTERNOON. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 30S. NORTHEAST WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 80 PERCENT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishforsnow Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Keweenaw and Northern Houghton counties have dodge another bullet. Dry air coming in to keep the heavier snow at bay. That is pretty much the theme the last two winters with these system snows. I don't want it anyways. I just want warmer weather to come. It will end up being wet and sticking to everything including the power lines. There are going to be some damaged power lines towards the Wisconsin border with the combo of heavy snow and high winds. This is the kind of snow I want at the beginning of winter to get a good base for snowmobiling and skiing. Having it in March is a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 This makes it even more humorous...Compare Muskegon's zone forecast to Lansing's forecast (who is in the watch) Muskegon: MIZ050-220815- MUSKEGON- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...MUSKEGON 452 PM EDT MON MAR 21 2011 .TONIGHT...PARTLY CLOUDY IN THE EVENING THEN BECOMING CLOUDY. A 30 PERCENT CHANCE OF RAIN SHOWERS OVERNIGHT. LOWS IN THE LOWER 30S. LIGHT AND VARIABLE WINDS. .TUESDAY...RAIN AND SLEET LIKELY UNTIL MIDDAY...THEN RAIN AND A CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS IN THE AFTERNOON. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 30S. EAST WINDS 5 TO 15 MPH WITH GUSTS TO AROUND 25 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 80 PERCENT. .TUESDAY NIGHT...RAIN AND A CHANCE OF FREEZING RAIN. ICE ACCUMULATION OF UP TO ONE QUARTER OF AN INCH. LOWS IN THE LOWER 30S. EAST WINDS 10 TO 20 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 90 PERCENT. .WEDNESDAY...RAIN...FREEZING RAIN AND SLEET UNTIL MIDDAY...THEN SNOW AND SLEET LIKELY IN THE AFTERNOON. HIGHS IN THE MID 30S. NORTHEAST WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 80 PERCENT. Lansing: MIZ067-220815- INGHAM- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...LANSING 452 PM EDT MON MAR 21 2011 ...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM TUESDAY EVENING THROUGH WEDNESDAY EVENING... .TONIGHT...PARTLY CLOUDY IN THE EVENING THEN BECOMING MOSTLY CLOUDY. LOWS IN THE LOWER 30S. LIGHT AND VARIABLE WINDS. .TUESDAY...RAIN AND SLEET LIKELY UNTIL MIDDAY...THEN RAIN AND A CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS IN THE AFTERNOON. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 30S. EAST WINDS 5 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 80 PERCENT. .TUESDAY NIGHT...RAIN OR FREEZING RAIN AND A CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS. ICE ACCUMULATION OF UP TO ONE QUARTER OF AN INCH. LOWS IN THE LOWER 30S. EAST WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 90 PERCENT. .WEDNESDAY...RAIN...FREEZING RAIN AND SLEET UNTIL MIDDAY...THEN SNOW...SLEET...RAIN LIKELY AND A CHANCE OF FREEZING RAIN IN THE AFTERNOON. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 30S. NORTHEAST WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 80 PERCENT. Talk about guess work. That is what that is. THAT i can actually understand though as it is a very tough call but it just seems odd to have Kent etc in a watch and not Muskegon and ofcourse i have not noticed any model being that warm up that way either. I suspect they will update it after the 00z runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo6899 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Well I have seen enough snow this winter so I wouldnt mind an ice storm. Hopefully it wont knock out power but I have never really experienced one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Well I have seen enough snow this winter so I wouldnt mind an ice storm. Hopefully it wont knock out power but I have never really experienced one. I worry about fire dangers from Ice Storms. Typically heavy icing builds up on the primary lines and causes extra stress. Add Icing on top of any over hanging tree limbs. This creates a dangerous situation in that once a limb snaps and falls onto the line it acts as a whip. The Primary lines whip sideways and can strike sides of houses and garages. Most primary lines are unfused, so if this happens they sit and burn at 2000+ degrees while arching. Ive seen this many times. I used to be an apprentice Lineman out of IBEW Local 17. It was storm repairs that forced me to jump ship and become an "inside" electrician. :lightning: :lightning: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Well I have seen enough snow this winter so I wouldnt mind an ice storm. Hopefully it wont knock out power but I have never really experienced one. I worry about fire dangers from Ice Storms. Typically heavy icing builds up on the primary lines and causes extra stress. Add Icing on top of any over hanging tree limbs. This creates a dangerous situation in that once a limb snaps and falls onto the line it acts as a whip. The Primary lines whip sideways and can strike sides of houses and garages. Most primary lines are unfused, so if this happens they sit and burn at 2000+ degrees while arching. Ive seen this many times. I used to be an apprentice Lineman out of IBEW Local 17. It was storm repairs that forced me to jump ship and become an "inside" electrician. :lightning: :lightning: I agree with you Sparty. Although ice storms create beautiful scenery, they are extremely dangerous and once you've been through a bad one, you won't want to experience it again. I know of multiple houses that burned to the ground as a result of ice storms. Not only primary lines, but service drops also. Tree limbs breaking off and damaging cars and houses, electricity being off for anywhere from hours to weeks, impossible driving conditions, etc. It all just makes for a bad situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kab2791 Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 Ice storm here we come via the NAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajdos Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Ice storm here we come via the NAM Nam colder... I'm getting a little nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Nam colder... I'm getting a little nervous. Further north will be more snow/sleet, if anything you might be getting in a better position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Ice storm here we come via the NAM $$$$$$$$. tons of service calls at top rates for me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toronto blizzard Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 You think theNAM had some errors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Muskegon County now included in the Winter Storm Watch...Hoping for an even further south track so we get more sleet/snow than freezing rain. But I don't want to wish freezing rain on anybody! Nasty stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 You think theNAM had some errors? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksstormhunter Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Just looking at my 02Z data, right now tracking across Northern ND with potential for 6-10" across this area ( Minot, ND to Wolfe Pt, MT line) from now till then next 24 hours, with total snow potentials in this area exceeding 14" possible in some areas.. With Jamestown and Bismark picking up some freezing precipitation, with a potential of .2 to .3" of Ice possible. Then showing progression into MN to WI areas. Any inputs for the ND region for next 24 hours or how far I am off on this. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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