LongBeachSurfFreak
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Not sure why you you’re not grasping what I’m saying. Pre 1980s there was significantly more sea ice in the fall then there is now. As the summer melt out now exposes more area to solar insulation. Thus warmer fall/early winter temps in the Arctic our obvious cold air source. The Arctic Ocean still freezes over each winter though, and the darkness allows to cold to reload later in the winter. Thus exposing us to better source airmass’s later in the winter.
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Had a nice burst of snow on the uws, more than just flurries for a couple minutes.
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Windmill palms native to the Himalayas are the only true palms that can handle our winters. Hardy down to around 0. So back in the 80s they weren’t yet viable. If we get to the point that our lowest possible winter temps are like 20, then allot more options will be available. So sometime late this century NYC will really become a palm city. You see allot of palms in coastal SE England where that’s always been the case.
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I think it’s a feedback do to lack of sea ice. Once the Arctic freezes back over, cold air is able to build. I think it’s at least part of why we have been seeing winters become increasingly backloaded.
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March 93 and the December 92 nor’easter are the first storms I have real solid memories of being 10 and 11. Living near the bay both storms had major coastal flooding. 93 caused mini icebergs to from and float around in the surge, which all froze solid after. Plows didn’t have a chance and I vividly remember them using a bulldozer to plow the ice at my elementary school. Were we were sledding after the storm.
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Exactly. As far as I’m concerned we are doing just fine with a strong Nino. Could easily be endless 50s/60s. And anything will be better than last winter. Even if we only make it to average it will seem great.
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This what I normally do, I dig out, pot and overwinter inside, but that’s not necessary anymore.
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I have achieved success of making elephant ear plants (colocosia) perennial on the uws. These are true tropical plants native to SE Asia. They have some cold hardiness, but like Carolina coast zone 8. The past three winters they have survived and come back after cutting back and burying in mulch. I use it as a teaching tool for my Barnard/Columbia garden club as well as school groups from Harlem. It’s a great example of our zones changing rapidly.
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I fully agree. This in no way mirrors 97/98 so far. That really was the worst winter of all time, forgetting about the 5” that fell in one shot in March and melted in ten minutes. I like what I see for at least getting back to near normal. If we get a Jan 16 type event, then obviously we could go well above.
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One would certainly hope surpassing last year is a lock. I mean statistically it nearly is. But anything is possible in a climate changing so fast.
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Excellent response. I find volcanoes incredibly fascinating. It’s, in my opinion the only reliable chance we have at seeing a real NYC old winter in our lifetimes. (The others being truly awful, meteor/comet strike or nuclear winter). I don’t wish anything truly apocalyptic, like Yellowstone going off. Or any population center close super volcanos either. Let’s say a VIE 7 in an extremely remote location.
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I might now be as on par with volcanos as yourself, I’m more of a wave/hurricane guy, so I have to ask what do you think the reoccurrence rate is of a Tambora event? My favorite is 542AD the mother of them all during civilization. Great docs on that one.
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What we would give to experience another eruption of that caliber. Or even better Tambora, a winter on par with the little ice age would follow, despite the current background warming.
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Yeah I was watching just as that crazy bright band was passing Albany. It was just puking cat paws, based on the low ratios it probably was only really 2/3” an hour not 3/4” but still, it was extremely impressive.
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It’s been absolutely ripping on the Stratton cams for the last few hours. Some of the heaviest snow I have seen In many years of watching the cams. So this is going to be a surprise big one above 2k even down to SvT.
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Definitely best winds in a while, granted im further from the water then where I grew up. But the trees have that sound in lynbrook. Meanwhile it’s snowing as hard as I have have ever seen it on the Stratton mt. Southern Vermont cams. Gotta be 3/4” hour rates above 2000’. Might not last long but this storms over preforming.
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Central & Eastern Pacific Thread
LongBeachSurfFreak replied to Windspeed's topic in Tropical Headquarters
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Well we finally did it in the urban jungle. Fun day ahead removing all the dead annuals. I bet midtown may have stayed above freezing though. I’m sure there are some annuals still alive down there.
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Pretty much a lock now. Adios to all the tropical plants on campus. They look silly still alive at this time of year anyway.
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I might be a bigger snow lover than you: the reality is, ninos are back loaded. My livelihood relies on snow for major overtime, so if it were up to me we would repeat 95/96 every year. But based ok climatology ninos are backloaded winters. I’m not saying we repeat December 15, that almost put the ski industry out of business, but let’s be realistic.
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Simple. I have tropical plants on campus on the uws that are still thriving. The urban heat island has been killing marginal events for years, and it’s only getting worse. If you took a campus tour right now and you had no idea what time of year it was I could convince you it was early October.
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highly doubt it’s worth it. As of right now the only trail with snow on it is franks. I just don’t see how they can pull it off. Head to killington, worth the extra hour drive.
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I’m fully in that camp, let the cold air build over the pole and send it down (hopefully on our side of the world after the new year) pretty typical nino forecast. I don’t think this winter will full on rat, but I do believe there will be lots of talk of it ratting after December.
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We haven’t had much wind, certainly not a high wind event. Nothing on the horizon either. So leaves are coming down very gradually this fall.
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30 for my low with lots of frost. JFK hit 32 but as expected the park and LGA not even close at 36 and 37.
