michsnowfreak

The Apr 20/21, 2021 snowstorm makes it easy forget the warmth, but you are correct. 2021 and 2017 were the only early greenups since 2012 and the early flowering trees with the heavy snow are what made the storm so memorable here.

April 2018 here saw record cold, a mid month ice storm and of course some snow. We missed out on late April snows in 2019 while Chicago got hit with a few. Since then, we've had late april snows in 2020, 2021, 2022.

Minneapolis is a good fit for you. Certainly not a heavy snow climo overall, but a good deep Winter one. You'll get some down seasons where the heavier snows are hitting south of you in Chicago/Detroit, but the trade off in those years is youll be arctic cold and white. Then you'll get years like this one.

How much did you end up with? Just a dusting here. 37.1" on the season.

That's not what I said. Wanting spring to start on Jan 1st, or for many Dec 26th, is nonsensical. There is a big difference between wanting an early end to winter, and wanting winter to end a few days after the winter solstice. Ill say it another way. Some of us love Winter and some of us don't. Neither makes you crazy. But wanting it to snow like clockwork on Dec 24-25 and no other day is not realistic.

Seems like a cobalt blue sky was seen all over the Midwest today. Skiing still trucking along in SE MI too.

The grosse pointe spotter, which was the only observer near Detroit city proper, used to be notorious for low balling and tons of missing data. But yet those maps would represent whatever amount was reported, including the low balls, missing data, and all. They've gotten a bit better but still not great. Just ask powerball lol, he used to live near there. It causes the maps to have an unrealistic representation for detroit and the far east side. I understand they are working with what they had, but I wish there were more diligent observers. There are also handful of good observers who phone in for individual storms but don't keep consistent data.

It is here too. Always a bit low.

Probably a good point. The two most notable snowfalls that seemed like we're under measured per pictures my friend sent was Dec 23 (obviously blowing/drifting problematic) And then the snow last week where TOL reported 0.8 it looked like my friend had a good 2-2.5". But make no mistake, it's been crazy how the state line has been the divider for many snow events this season. Plus TOL airport is south of the city. About a 1 hour 15 minute drive north DTW has had 22.9" more.

I was just not too far from Bo's neck of the woods last month.He is absolutely in the sweet spot for snow in the area

I would have gladly made the maps if they would have paid me lol. A truly accurate map would take a lot of Time time because you'd have to analyze individual events each winter and the pns statements that went with them. These are the sites they report consistent snowfall data: DTW, FNT, MBS, DTX, ARB. Everything else is relying on coop and cocohras data. While some coop observers are diligent (myself included hehe) others are not. So what you would get is the coop sites that were filled with missing data, or would call a snowfall that had melted or sublimated a trace by their observation time, are going to have much lower totals than other nearby areas. So when you take all those numbers and make a map. You're making all these weird squiggles and circles to try and make it make sense when it doesnt. As stebo said. Nothing is better than somethinh wildly inaccurate data. Coop observer data is often notorious for lowballed snow data, so there's little accuracy to the actual accumulated season total data. Now they do have an archive for all their event writeups which is great because you can see the haves and have not for individual events.

Yes. I've done it a few times in March (2008, 2019). Especially with our run of snowy Februarys at home (this year notwithstanding) I've been thinking a lot about March. The problem is, its an annual trip that I take with my mom who is a fellow snow lover and her love of snow starts to wane in March lol. When my dad was alive he would join as well and he did not like Winter to begin with. So february was always the best choice. Maybe next year I'll take a solo trip in March in addition to my family trip.

Picked up 0.2" of snow today. 15.5" in March, 37.1" season. DTW had 0.1", so 15.8" March and 37.0" season. It was definitely an interesting day with the in and out squalls in the sky looking ominous as the sun would come out.

Oh 100% March is deeper winter than December in the UP. Christmas is my absolute favorite time of year and Winter is my favorite season, so it's a no brainer that snow during the holidays is high on my list. However, I can't ever get used to the general public's fascination with snow at Christmas then wanting spring by new years. Obviously December is usually wintry, but there are a few things that could go wrong. It could be cold and suppressed and there has been times there's deeper snow in southern MI than up North. Or it could be a horrible warm start to Winter with shoddy conditions. But no matter what happens during the winter you can count on deep snow in late february and early march, usually the deepest of the entire winter. That's why my winter trips are always mid to late Feb.

Yup. Mostly rain in the Soo. So Detroit has 15.7" in March and the Soo a T. But they still have 20" depth lol

Wow. Meanwhile Sault Ste Marie remains at a trace in March

I doubt Harry averages low 50s yet. Avg high for Detroit today is 47, warming to 52 March 31st.

So far locally this March has ended up warmer and a lot snowier than I anticipated. I did think we would get a good snowstorm, but I didn't think we'd get a parade of snowfalls. But I also thought it would be colder.

2013-14 It was flat out the most severe winter on record for Detroit. when you combine snowfall, snow depth, days with snow on the ground, and cold, not to mention wind and constant blowing snow, no other winter has come close. Nothing in the vaunted 1970s held a candle. I suppose in a lake effect belt it's easier top snow records in less than desirable winters. But even grand rapids residents would probably agree that two winters don't compare.

We going to be well below average on the 18th of the 19th. The map you shared was for the 18th-24th, which will very likely finish colder than average even if the period ends warmer than average.

Any long range solution PERIOD should be taken with a grain of salt. This weekends cold shot was fairly well modeled in the longrange. Others won't be.

Today is the first time in two weeks the ground is totally bare. Though plowed piles in parking lots remain. That is a decent stretch for march considering it did not begin with a left over snow pack

MSP only got 0.1

I have a friend who lives in the city of Toledo. And it seems like they've had more snow than TOL reports. nevertheless, a huge difference between toledo (14.1") and Detroit (36.9").

Wow. It's funny some winters the state line is so often the dividing line. Then toledo will randomly get a snowstorm.