michsnowfreak

It's crazy to think the historic winter of 2013-14 is at its 10th anniversary.

Yes, I remember that as well. keep in mind, we still see clippers every winter. Just not as many as we used to. As long as we get more snow in the end it's all good though lol. Don't forget about February 1-2, 2022 and then again February 17, 2022. How on earth you did not get over 4 inches then I have no idea lol.

Yes. That was a good clipper season for sure.

We have gotten some, but they definitely have been less than years ago. The 1980s-90s were clipper heyday. Funny thing about the 1990s is that the 21st century has been much snowier but with noticeably less clippers.

Its a wonderful tradition. I could never not do it. They last a while when cut fresh (usually 5-6 weeks) but I've never had it grow. Then again, mine already touches the ceiling as soon as it goes up.

One of my favorite yearly traditions is going to cut down the Christmas tree the day after Thanksgiving. Would be extra fun if it was snowing.

Sad news from the Keewenaw. This guy loved snow possibly more than anyone, and had quite a following. http://www.keweenawreport.com/news/obituary-john-paul-dee/?fbclid=IwAR1EB8u8X4Wo769NhiuNuEeLnbiy-D9ojNpFOTopLmR1QogIgY0sEqd5dp8

Thanks. And yes for sure. Monthly temp departures in mid winter mean little for snow chances, just have to get the systems/storms.

I definitely won't be participating in that nonsense anymore. I've said my piece. I will, however, continue to engage in weather and weather stats talk. That's my wheelhouse. I've noticed a lot of people are thinking that February once again (last year notwithstanding) will be the most severe month of the winter. How do you feel about that? Not sure how much of standard nino climo plays into that. I've been reading that many indicies are not behaving like a typical nino.

I just commented yesterday how we've had way more sun in november than we had in october. It's all good though great for winterizing, leaf cleanup, and putting up the christmas decorations. Especially with winter looming next week.

Nope https://www.plantmaps.com/interactive-michigan-usda-plant-zone-hardiness-map.php

Quite a few trees that are certainly growable here in michigan died after the winter of 2013-14. In fact, retired met bill deedler talked about seeing tons of dead trees and dead animals in the woods behind his house in spring 2014. Detroit also had 3 separate winters in the past decade where temperatures registered −13 or colder. 4 winters going back to 2009. To put that in perspective, Detroit did not register -13 from 1935 until 1963. Like I said, a climate that has warmed in overall mean temperature does not mean anything for the seasonal extremes that we see in our type of climate.

Let's take one thing at a time. Snow typically falls in Michigan 8 out of the 12 months in any given year. Only JJAS are immune. I'll keep our conifers thank you.

The cold is coming for sure. But any snow/storm threats will be model chaos. Let winter 2023-24 begin!

The Lake Michigan shoreline has been in zone 6b for decades. Although hey, I would take it in a heartbeat over colder and less snow farther inland lol.

I had him on ignore, but then other people would respond to his jokes and it was too tempting to not join in. Anwx needs a block button, especially since it's ok to have no mods

Lmao. You almost never post facts of any kind. I would grind you into the ground in any real debate discussing facts and not just picking the warmest model run you can find. And you want to talk rhetoric lol? You people have a handbook you follow: 1) start datasets in 1970 and/or whatever makes the starting point the coldest possible 2) call anyone who does not agree with your outrageous predictions a denier. Don't believe the climate will warm 30° in 30 years? You are a denier

You do realize that zones are based on the average lowest temperature right? Even if even in a climate where the average annual temperature has risen, that does not necessarily mean that the hottest and coldest temperatures each year will fluctuate much. In just 2019, the Midwest had temps in the -20s and -30s. Various cold records were also set in 2013-15, 2017-18. The 2010s in Detroit had a colder average annual min temp than many previous decades, despite a warmer overall mean temp.

You have to keep in mind he is not a weather enthusiast or even a climate change enthusiast. He is here for nothing more than constant trolling, since he knows the lakes forum does not have mods who would ban him as they would in any other subforum. There's about one poster who takes any of his outrageous posts seriously.

Almost any winter will have active and boring stretches. The question is, which dominates?

Looking wintry around Thanksgiving!

Lmao. Math must not be your strong suit. I know you guys like to start data sets with the coldest numbers on record as the mean, but thats not how averages work. By your math, Milwaukees climate warmed an incredible 9° from 1875 to 1878. When someone says that a given location has warmed 1-2° its an average, not just starting from the coldest datapoint in the entire record.

Obviously I do not know if it will be a tame or active winter either, but i'm very big on November's patterns & temperatures being irrelevant to the coming Winter.

Fall is known as deer season for auto insurance companies.

Thanks. I noticed this on weatherbell. I also noticed that the extended usually leans warm whether or not it ends up being warm. For instance, the end of october/early November looked warm when it was four weeks out and ended up being cold as it got closer.