michsnowfreak

Aren't the weeklies run daily now?

Snowfall was around average at Detroit, but it was by far the most tame winter in a great stretch. I had 46.1" but 27" of that fell in Feb. I can remember the snow drought of Toronto and Northern New England that winter. I remember it was much colder that winter than I expected considering the enso state. 2007-08: 71.7" 2008-09: 65.7" 2009-10: 43.7" 2010-11: 69.1"

Weather stat guys like myself are so fortunate to have a wonderful website like Xmacis. On top of knowing Detroit's climate in and out, whenever I want to randomly run numbers for other cities I just have to go to xmacis. One day I was randomly just looking at regression lines for winter temperatures and it was absolutely clear that northeast winter temperatures have risen noticeably since records began while the Midwest was much, much more of a subtle rise and a few stations in the midwest and moreso in the northern plains have actually cooled. Subzero days today are far greater in SE Michigan than they were in the 1930s-50s, and far less than the 1970s-80s. The difference from mid 20th century to late 20th century was crazy. The bottom line is if you're north of I-80 and you are just worried about snow, precip patterns and storm tracks will always be more important than temperature departures. Hell, last winter we had multiple snowstorms that caused damage, had blinding snow, and it was our 8th warmest winter on record. It is those of us who like the snow cover and enjoy the deep cold air who always want a colder winter.

The Edmund Fitzgerald museum in Paradise, MI is a fascinating experience. Winds gusted from 60-90mph in northern MI with 20 foot waves on Lake Superior. In Southern MI winds gusted 40-70mph. At Detroit, the first 10 days of November 1975 were record smashing warm. To this day it stands as the warmest first 10 days of November by an impressive 3.0°. This storm brought much cooler temps (60s on the 10th, 50s 11th, 40s 12th) but no snow in SE MI.

Detroit got 9.9" with the 1973 St Patty's storm. It was after a warm March to that point.

1972-73 was like a colder version of last winter in that our area had multiple snowstorms while the East Coast had next to nothing. It was milder than average and not a great winter for snowcover, but definitely had its ups and downs and multiple wintry spells. 2009-10 was a decent winter.

Oh I know. But I live in DTW, so I use DTW stats bc thats what matters to me. I dont care whats going on elsewhere, just as he uses MKE. If you look at multiple stations, its clear that winter warming is far greater in the northeast than the midwest. Some midwest stations havent shown any warming, and some northern plains have actually cooled, while some of the northeast have warmed 4-5F. But this is NOT about that. Its about his trolling and complete BS. Im here to discuss weather, not cower in a corner if i dont stoke cromarties ego "if you dont admit that we will warm 30F in 30 years and have palm trees, you dont believe in climate change".

Exactly. Born in 1983 here. Varies every year but on "average" it all the same. Also I know this is hard for some people (who shall remain nameless) to grasp, but not all trees drop at once. By early-mid October the ground will have leaves on it, but the last of the trees (ie Oaks) will not be bare til mid-November. Same in the spring. Silver maples will show their red flowers early, by late March, but the Oaks will be bare til mid-May, even longer in some years. Its all about gathering an "average" of the peak color, or the peak spring bloom.

Thanksgiving would be a perfect time, but still a ways to go.

Amen. And he is not "right" about anything. No one is arguing about CC, its about his ridiculous posts. Its trolling, we all know its trolling, but its over the top. Its like....John Doe wins $10,000 in the lottery. But John tells everyone he won $1,000,000. Jane Doe calls out the BS by saying, "John, you won, but you did not win anywhere near a million". So John whines and blasts Jane for accusing him of winning NO money at all. If youre on a weather board and actually add no discussion regarding the weather, you should be banned.

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LMAO. When have I said that? And when have you posted data? The only one in denial is you. I post actual data all the time. You never share anything other than a rogue article here and there because you know if you actually posted data/stats, it would show the actual amount of warming going on rather than your outrageous troll posts. You have no grasp of the difference between weather and climate. Your schtick and trolling would have you banned in ANY other subforum. You make outrageous, unrealistic claims of climate warming, then when someone calls the idiocy out, that means they dont believe in climate change. . Really, what it all boils down to is this. The cold winter climate that you live in can warm 1, 2, or 3 degrees....it doesnt matter. Other than noise level changes, you still will have winter. And will be FAR away from the tropical climate that you desire. Detroit winters in the 2010s were 1.2F warmer than the 150-year avg. The 2000s winters were 0.7F warmer than the 150-year avg. And the 1990s winters (remember the 1990s, when the leaves fell 6 weeks earlier than they do now?) were 2.2F warmer than the 150-year avg. Detroit winters of the 2010s were COLDER than those of the 1930s, 1950s, or 1990s. I realize that you think that once the average high tickles 32F, all your snow will turn to rain . Again, no concept of how weather works. Stick to spray painting your grass green. You ALMOST were able to convince people last winter that warm weather made your winter grass so green, until @Chicago Storm had a screenshot of you admitting you paint it.

Yup. Same here.

November is the time of year that it doesnt matter WHAT the weather/pattern is, winter lovers are sweating with the pre-winter jitters. If its a mild, boring pattern you get the complaints. But if its cold/snow, you get the "bad omen for winter" vibes, or "we are wasting the cold too early", etc.

I remember very well. It was quite warm Memorial Weekend, and people were laying in the sun on ice chunks. It was an incredible winter. Officially at Detroit it ranked as #1 snowiest & 8th coldest on record, but when combining the two it was the most severe on record. It was the 3rd coldest Dec-Mar on record. The deep snow hung around all winter, and ice stayed on the lakes til well into late April. And in northern MI it was even longer, as the article shows. Never saw such a long, relentless winter like that here. Seems like yesterday and this winter is now the 10th anniversary.

Oh and back to the weather...I will say it has been a very "Novembery" November so far this year. Only a week in, but looking back at recent years, we had several bouts of warm, Indian Summer weather (70s & sun) and also unusually early/heavy snow and cold. This year, November is really acting like November.

You want to talk 1990s? The earliest spring greenup Ive ever seen, other than 2012, was 1998. I have a pic in front of this flowering bush my mom has in full flower on Easter Sunday, 4-4-98. Today, that bush usually blossoms late April or early May.

Stuff like that is always possible. You can always see trees not native to a certain area growing if cared for properly. For instance, you see lots of white paper birch trees & balsam firs in the Detroit area even though their natural growth range is north. I have one of each myself. I just make sure they get water if its too hot/dry in summer. Likewise, trees/plants whos native areas are south of here can survive as long as they are covered in the winter (obviously this isnt feasible for big trees).

BTW you realize cromartie was lying. There is no way he was done raking by mid-October in the 1990s and now not until late-November. I guess somehow magically his leaves fell 2-3 weeks earlier in the 1990s and now fall 2-3 weeks later than they do at a similar climate here in SE MI.

You realize he is trolling? Michigan has NOT moved up 1-2 plant hardiness zones since 2000. LMAO. That would mean avg annual min temp has increase 10-20F. Detroit average annual min temp per decade 1880s: -6 1890s: -6 1900s: -5 1910s: -4 1920s: -2 1930s: -3 1940s: -1 1950s: 2 1960s: -4 1970s: -9 1980s: -10 1990s: -4 2000s: -2 2010s: -5

Even though a majority of the trees are bare now, there are still some clinging to leaves and let me tell you. Living on a tree lined street I've been fooled enough times. I just wait until they've all dropped to do any raking/blowing, otherwise it's pointless.

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Wow, that's incredible. That would mean that the average annual minimum temperature has increased 10 to 20° since the year 2000. Crazy how things like that work, seeing as how Detroit had 27 subzero days in the 1990s, 30 subzero days in the 2000s, and 50 subzero days in the 2010s.

There is a HUGE difference between a few additional days of frost free weather and supporting palms. I mean I would hope that amidst their trolling these guys have enough common sense to realize what is a legitimate goal and what is not. On a somewhat related note. A guy down the street, bless his ignorance, planted a tropical hibiscus in June in front of his house. I told him it looks nice, but he should maybe have it in a pot. He said he thinks it's supposed to survive winter lol. Nwedless to say, it is already wilted and dead after a handful of frosts and freezes before winter has even begun. Oh and Lakeshore living is always interesting because the leaves hang on so much longer in the fall and bloom so much later in the spring.

This is an excellent mantra to have ANY November.