michsnowfreak

Below normal temps to end August sometimes help kick off that earliest wave of Fall color (beyond the stressed trees already showing some color). I am SOO ready.

Are you thinking a more front loaded winter? Or rather....a winter where December is one of the bigger hitters rather than Jan/Feb?

Finally got rain, but just 0.59". I have been screwed on almost everything event this summer. Better now than winter.

Wow on Milwaukee. Stay safe! Detroit has seen no rain whatsoever in August

The Feb 2018 warm spell that allowed 80° weather in NY was extra crazy because it occurred in an otherwise wall to wall good winter in many places. We did hit 65° here, leading to a rapid melting of a deep snowpack, but outside of the last third of Feb, the period of Nov 2017 to Apr 2018 was pretty much wall to wall cold.

Chicago averages more 90s than us, but the last 3 years the difference has been far greater than normal

I made a post in the other thread. Over the last 3 years, Detroit has seen a total of 26 days of 90+ while Chicago has seen 67. This year, Detroit has seen 10 to Chicago's 23.

Chicago does average more 90F+ days than Detroit (avg 17 to 13). But the last several years have been huge differences. The last 3 years, ORD has had 67 days of 90F+ while DTW only 26! Here are the last 20 years. YR - DTW – ORD 2025- 10 – 23 2024- 14 – 23 2023- 2 – 21 2022- 15 – 16 2021- 13 – 22 2020- 17 – 31 2019- 10 – 14 2018- 26 – 26 2017- 7 – 16 2016- 23 – 16 2015- 10 – 10 2014- 4 – 3 2013- 7 – 13 2012- 30 – 46 2011- 23 – 22 2010- 17 – 21 2009- 4 – 4 2008- 7 – 6 2007- 14 – 19 2006- 11 – 15

I heard it was the coldest summer in parts of coastal California in over 50 years. Didn't look up any numbers tho

Many la ninas have historically had great Decembers (at least here). But results are then mixed as to whether or not it carried thru to the rest of winter.

Where do you guys see euro monthly? I only see seasonal.

I think thats a nice clipper look.

The Dec/Jan cold snap set an interesting record at Detroit for cold longevity. Dec 26, 2017 thru Jan 6, 2018 was the longest stretch on record (12 days) where Detroit did not exceed 19F.

Went to the park today to enjoy some outdoor time since it was so nice. Took this pic from the exact same spot as a pic last Oct. Its coming soon!

It has remained remarkably consistent for months now with its winter outlook.

This made it the 4th wettest july at Detroit after what was on track to ve drier than normal. I finished july with 3.43", incredibly less than half that. July also tied for 19th warmest at Detroit, no surprise that it was due to warm lows. The avg low was 11th warmest while the high was 38th warmest.

Very pleasant start to August. Nice way to start the last month of meteorological summer.

We had a T during that storm. Pretty much all our rain was from the stratiform rain. Ive been measuring rain/snow imby for 30 years now. With my close proximity to DTW, many times, things like summer storms or winter snow squalls somewhat even out over the course of a season. Not literally dead even, but one time theyll get hit and i wont then the next time vice versa. In all those years, even in summer months, Ive never seen such a difference as this July.

With 0.62" of rain overnight, my July total thru 8am is 3.34". The July total thru 8am at DTW is 7.30". Ive never seen such a difference before.

Although a solid shield of rain will be approaching soon, an isolated cell ahead of it developed RIGHT over DTW, dropping over 1" of rain. Just a trace here. Regardless of what happens overnight, between this cell and the cell 2 days ago (2.68" DTW, 0.33" MBY) there is going to be a huge difference in July rainfall totals between very close by DTW and me. The kind you only see with the aid of summer downpours.

Absolutely gorgeous! So jealous!

High of 87, so we busted yesterday and today on hitting 90. A bit less humid today but still very warm.

I have brought up the infamous 1880-81 & 1881-82 winters many times. They were actually during a period locally which lasted from 1874-75 thru 1881-82 where every other winter alternated from abnormally cold between abnormally warm. Incredibly all 8 of those winters (4 warm, 4 cold) are still in Detroits all-time top 20 coldest/warmest winters list. The winter of 1880-81 saw 93.6" of snow and an avg temp of 21.6F followed by 1881-82 with 13.2" of snow and a mean temp of 36.9F. There appear to be some errors in snow data earlier than 1885 (id have to go to DTX and look at the archaic books to find out) as xmacis would have the snowfall at 79.4" & 11.5", but regardless, massive difference. The Laura Ingalls Wilder book, "The Long Winter", while admittedly a bit embellished, is a fascinating read which takes place from late summer 1880 thru spring 1881 in what is now North Dakota. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Winter_(novel) The following book, "Little Town on the Prairie", while not specifically weather focused, discusses the extraordinarily mild winter 1881-82 in Dakota. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Town_on_the_Prairie Daily newspapers accounts also talked about the harshness of the 1880-81 winter and the remarkably mild 1881-82 winter.

Interesting topic. Id very roughly go, based on all factors: 2017-18 2020-21 2021-22 2018-19 2019-20 2024-25 2016-17 2022-23 2023-24 The order of the middle 3 is very debatable.

tcc is not MW. Id consider him northeast (PA). But certainly, much like winters, summers can vary from the midwest to northeast in terms of which ones are considered most anomalous. For instance, 1980 was a brutally hot summer for many but wasnt bad here at all. As Lakepaste mentioned, increasing humidity and warmer mins are far more noticeable than max temps. We rarely get very high max temps anymore.